pollythewog Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Move Pablo, okert, bass, arugula/cooper. What else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Get rid of any hitters not named Jazz or Wendle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Probably trade Sulser, maybe Elieser for a D- prospect we'll never hear about again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted May 25, 2022 Author Share Posted May 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said: Probably trade Sulser, maybe Elieser for a D- prospect we'll never hear about again. Sulser has lots of control tho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, pollythewog said: Move Pablo, okert, bass, arugula/cooper. What else? Assuming not contending, it's a lot more than that for me: Aguilar Berti Anderson Pablo Hernandez Floro Bass Sulser Head Nance You could do more (Cooper, Wendle/Rojas, lefty relievers), but they are cheap and useful. Seems like a lot, but they'd still have this in house basically: Stallings, Henry/Fortes Cooper, Lewin/Bleday/Burdick Jazz ________, Rojas Wendle Sanchez ______ Garcia, DLC/Bleday/Burdick Soler Sandy, Rogers, Luzardo, Meyer, Cabrera ____, Sixto, Bender, Poteet, Pop/Holloway Bleier, Scott, Okert CF, Correa, and a reliever. Not much to do here. Eury and Eder coming fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, pollythewog said: Sulser has lots of control tho? He's 33 next year. Not that old, but relievers are volatile so cash them in on highs when possible. I'd keep the lefties though unless they trade for a lot more (I know Bleier is older so mentioning). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 In the 2017, before the Sherman regime comes, we have good offense but bad pitching, in the 2022, five years after the Sherman regime comes, we have good pitching but bad offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 We are 4 games out from the last Wild Card spot. We'd easily be in that spot if we'd started the season with a good manager. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted May 25, 2022 Author Share Posted May 25, 2022 Sell sell sell!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said: We are 4 games out from the last Wild Card spot. We'd easily be in that spot if we'd started the season with a good manager. Might even be in the first spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 If they can find a taker somehow for both or either or their two BIG signings this past off-season they need to send them packing ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, hovertical said: If they can find a taker somehow for both or either or their two BIG signings this past off-season they need to send them packing ASAP. Avisail is very likely to be a sunk cost since it's four years, but Soler might be able to get traded with his opt outs after the years. Just don't trade him back to Atlanta. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, hovertical said: If they can find a taker somehow for both or either or their two BIG signings this past off-season they need to send them packing ASAP. They won't because that would imply they were wrong to sign them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I actually don't want the Marlins to trade Soler or Garcia. We know how it will go. Garcia + Meyer for some bullshit RP prospect who somehow walks more guys than he strikes out and the other team takes on the salary. Soler + Bleday for a middle infield prospect who projects as Triple-A depth in a good organization but will start 50 games for the Marlins the next season anyway. Nah, just keep them, let them suck since the team sucks anyway, and let Mattingly keep managing until the day he dies or the sun engulfs the Earth, whatever comes second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 1 minute ago, SilverBullet said: They won't because that would imply they were wrong to sign them. I'm well aware they won't move either of them this year for that reason but that would be my ideal deadline. Soler can go back to ATL as well. Don't care. They have no place on this team and didn't before they were signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said: Garcia + Meyer for some bullshit RP prospect who somehow walks more guys than he strikes out and the other team takes on the salary. Trade them to the Angels! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Something don't want to talk about anymore …… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, SongInTheAir said: I actually don't want the Marlins to trade Soler or Garcia. We know how it will go. Garcia + Meyer for some bullshit RP prospect who somehow walks more guys than he strikes out and the other team takes on the salary. Soler + Bleday for a middle infield prospect who projects as Triple-A depth in a good organization but will start 50 games for the Marlins the next season anyway. Nah, just keep them, let them suck since the team sucks anyway, and let Mattingly keep managing until the day he dies or the sun engulfs the Earth, whatever comes second. Eh, they’ve actually done better since Sherman about not making those pure salary dump trades where we include a top prospect. 1 hour ago, taiwanmarlin said: Something don't want to talk about anymore …… that’s all irrelevant at this point/to this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Eh, they’ve actually done better since Sherman about not making those pure salary dump trades where we include a top prospect. that’s all irrelevant at this point/to this discussion. Hill and Marte maybe be the key factors in we're the buyers or sellers in the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said: Hill and Marte maybe be the key factors in we're the buyers or sellers in the deadline. Ok sure. But again, neither are here, so that’s irrelevant to the reality/discussion of this trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Ok sure. But again, neither are here, so that’s irrelevant to the reality/discussion of this trade deadline. Yes you are right. It's a big picture thought experiment. This costs roughly $70m next year. (I've also taken Cooper off the team from above and kept Anderson for 1B. It probably makes more sense to get a 1B/3B type (Anderson can do 1B I am sure) for a year so the team effectively has 5 2B/SS/3B types as Anderson can move around). To note, 2022 payroll is under $80m Stallings, Henry Anderson, Lewin Jazz ________, Rojas Wendle Sanchez, Bleday/Burdick/DLC ______ Garcia Soler Sandy, Rogers, Luzardo, Meyer, Cabrera ____, Sixto, Bender, Poteet, Pop/Holloway Bleier, Scott, Okert AAA - Eury, Eder, Bleday/Burdick, multitude of other arms from the trades mentioned below So what's missing in house here is important - Pablo is moved so something big and likely MLB ready is coming, and considering they are also trading an entire bullpen after this (Bass, Floro, Sulser, Hernandez, Head, Nance) and solid bats in Aguilar and Cooper, the farm should be pretty loaded with an assortment of future FV45-40 types. The farm is running 18-20 interesting guys deep right now, and that could ballon to 25+ easily even with graduations. That matters as that's how you get Stallings, Wendle, Sulser, Scott, Henry, Lewin, and Bleier types. They'd have mass depth to get new versions of those guys that are better suited for this team. Basically, this depth could be traded to upgrade backup catcher, bullpen, etc. if needed. So if we're talking about if they suck in a month, I say if they aren't contending, trade these guys out and focus on the above for next year. This isn't a fire sale at all, as it's effectively moving Pablo and decent spare parts that can be quickly replaced with in house options with more upside. Sadly, Pablo is the sacrifice for a bat upgrade here. The rub is - this is $70m for 2022, plus something immense back for Pablo, with Eury and Eder coming. Payroll is going to be so cheap for years with guys like Meyer/Cabrera/Lewin/Burdick/Bleday/Eury/Eder/others not getting into arbitration until 2026 or later, and then another wave of Watson/Fulton/Salas/#6 overall pick 2022/etc. coming after them, there is absolutely no reason they cannot afford "1" Correa/Turner. And that's especially the case if Pablo is a club controlled CF which kicks large payroll raises years down the road. So what's Bruce going to do? Be Tampa or operate like Milwaukee as a bottom 22nd payroll club. Hopefully they just win a lot so this is moot, but it looks to me we are gearing up for the same exact offseason. Where is the large move for a bat via free agency, and a second one via a pitcher trade? Rinse repeat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 1 hour ago, MarlinsLou said: Yes you are right. It's a big picture thought experiment. This costs roughly $70m next year. (I've also taken Cooper off the team from above and kept Anderson for 1B. It probably makes more sense to get a 1B/3B type (Anderson can do 1B I am sure) for a year so the team effectively has 5 2B/SS/3B types as Anderson can move around). To note, 2022 payroll is under $80m Stallings, Henry Anderson, Lewin Jazz ________, Rojas Wendle Sanchez, Bleday/Burdick/DLC ______ Garcia Soler Sandy, Rogers, Luzardo, Meyer, Cabrera ____, Sixto, Bender, Poteet, Pop/Holloway Bleier, Scott, Okert AAA - Eury, Eder, Bleday/Burdick, multitude of other arms from the trades mentioned below So what's missing in house here is important - Pablo is moved so something big and likely MLB ready is coming, and considering they are also trading an entire bullpen after this (Bass, Floro, Sulser, Hernandez, Head, Nance) and solid bats in Aguilar and Cooper, the farm should be pretty loaded with an assortment of future FV45-40 types. The farm is running 18-20 interesting guys deep right now, and that could ballon to 25+ easily even with graduations. That matters as that's how you get Stallings, Wendle, Sulser, Scott, Henry, Lewin, and Bleier types. They'd have mass depth to get new versions of those guys that are better suited for this team. Basically, this depth could be traded to upgrade backup catcher, bullpen, etc. if needed. So if we're talking about if they suck in a month, I say if they aren't contending, trade these guys out and focus on the above for next year. This isn't a fire sale at all, as it's effectively moving Pablo and decent spare parts that can be quickly replaced with in house options with more upside. Sadly, Pablo is the sacrifice for a bat upgrade here. The rub is - this is $70m for 2022, plus something immense back for Pablo, with Eury and Eder coming. Payroll is going to be so cheap for years with guys like Meyer/Cabrera/Lewin/Burdick/Bleday/Eury/Eder/others not getting into arbitration until 2026 or later, and then another wave of Watson/Fulton/Salas/#6 overall pick 2022/etc. coming after them, there is absolutely no reason they cannot afford "1" Correa/Turner. And that's especially the case if Pablo is a club controlled CF which kicks large payroll raises years down the road. So what's Bruce going to do? Be Tampa or operate like Milwaukee as a bottom 22nd payroll club. Hopefully they just win a lot so this is moot, but it looks to me we are gearing up for the same exact offseason. Where is the large move for a bat via free agency, and a second one via a pitcher trade? Rinse repeat. Just seems like endless goalpost shifting by the FO. “Next year we’ll make moves”. Oh just kidding “Next year next year. THEY DON’T CARE, WHY SHOULD WE? does this site have signatures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, rmc523 said: does this site have signatures? It used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 29 minutes ago, rmc523 said: does this site have signatures? No. Sincerely, Hovertical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, hovertical said: No. Sincerely, Hovertical See it does have signatures! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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