😂

Great! Another Tommy Hutton classic soundbite.

I haven’t really paid much attention to the Marlins since the first week of the season. So I haven’t seen Agustin Ramirez play in an actual game. But I’ve just seen highlights. I don’t know much about him but I have seen that he has some good power numbers. The only thing I kind of didn’t like from the highlights of him hitting HR is it seems like he stands and watches the HR before running. I don’t know if that is still an unwritten rule in MLB to not do that, but for a rookie player he should be taking off running as soon as the bat makes contact and not run the risk of making an easy double into a single. He can then wait a couple of seasons before doing the stop and admire HR thing before running. I could be wrong because I am just going based off highlights so I could be completely off the mark on this one. That is just what I noticed.

I know this might be a controversial topic about players who stop and watch the HR before running. I remember all those seasons ago being so annoyed with Brian McCann being a big crybaby and making a bit scene when Jose Fernandez hit that HR and watched the HR before running. I also remember McCann being a big crybaby with some other players too about breaking the unwritten rule as well. 😂

Edited August 21, 2025Aug 21 by SirFishFan

3 hours ago, SirFishFan said:

😂

Great! Another Tommy Hutton classic soundbite.

I haven’t really paid much attention to the Marlins since the first week of the season. So I haven’t seen Agustin Ramirez play in an actual game. But I’ve just seen highlights. I don’t know much about him but I have seen that he has some good power numbers. The only thing I kind of didn’t like from the highlights of him hitting HR is it seems like he stands and watches the HR before running. I don’t know if that is still an unwritten rule in MLB to not do that, but for a rookie player he should be taking off running as soon as the bat makes contact and not run the risk of making an easy double into a single. He can then wait a couple of seasons before doing the stop and admire HR thing before running. I could be wrong because I am just going based off highlights so I could be completely off the mark on this one. That is just what I noticed.

I know this might be a controversial topic about players who stop and watch the HR before running. I remember all those seasons ago being so annoyed with Brian McCann being a big crybaby and making a bit scene when Jose Fernandez hit that HR and watched the HR before running. I also remember McCann being a big crybaby with some other players too about breaking the unwritten rule as well. 😂

It's not a rule if it's unwritten! That's my take.

But yeah, he's going to be a DH I'm guessing and probably an emergency backup catcher at some point soon for good.

Fathers Dixon wants to see if he can catch so that’s that! Will he be the opening day C? My $ says yes

People keep saying we need to keep him there for his value and he's too young to be a full-time DH.

Now ... how bad, exactly, does his defense have to get before his value becomes a net negative?

Right now, he's at a 0.3 fWAR. That's with a -2.3 Offense and -9.5 Defense. The fact his fWAR is positive has to be strictly from his offensive numbers while catching, right? I know catchers get a huge boost to WAR.

This is genuinely terrible, though, and he's cost us outs, thus runs, thus wins.

And now that I'm mid-post, I look over at Liam Hicks, and ... well, shoot.

We just have a bad catching situation right now.

Alright. Fine. Let Agustin learn on the job.

17 minutes ago, Michael said:

People keep saying we need to keep him there for his value and he's too young to be a full-time DH.

Now ... how bad, exactly, does his defense have to get before his value becomes a net negative?

Right now, he's at a 0.3 fWAR. That's with a -2.3 Offense and -9.5 Defense. The fact his fWAR is positive has to be strictly from his offensive numbers while catching, right? I know catchers get a huge boost to WAR.

This is genuinely terrible, though, and he's cost us outs, thus runs, thus wins.

And now that I'm mid-post, I look over at Liam Hicks, and ... well, shoot.

We just have a bad catching situation right now.

Alright. Fine. Let Agustin learn on the job.

If I’m not mistaken the team still hasn’t caught a runnner since Fortes traded?

I completely agree with you but the FO is not concerned with short term embarrassments and runs vs potential if Gus improves at C. Also, maybe daddy dix has some other analytic to judge Gus that we aren’t privy to?

33 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

If I’m not mistaken the team still hasn’t caught a runnner since Fortes traded?

Correct. Fun fact, neither has Fortes! 10-10.

34 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

Also, maybe daddy dix has some other analytic to judge Gus that we aren’t privy to?

As we see there, his framing isn't the worst. Darn near average!

It's just ... letting the pitch get caught before framing.

And also the inability to block.

But those can be fixed.

The bats good and since he's playing catcher, I'll assume the arm is better than average possibly work him into a corner outfielder or just move him to DH.

We're playing for nothing let him play catcher. See if he can become good enough to start maybe 2 games a week at catcher. Even that would be of great value. They should be trying him at other spots though, LF, 1B but maybe that will come in the winter or next season.

1 hour ago, farmer_fran said:

We're playing for nothing let him play catcher. See if he can become good enough to start maybe 2 games a week at catcher. Even that would be of great value. They should be trying him at other spots though, LF, 1B but maybe that will come in the winter or next season.

This is exactly what FO is thinking

Gus another passed ball. This time top of 10th and Cost a run and perhaps the game

They really should call up Navaretto and have him catch a few games and work with the staff and the two young catchers. We are stuck with Hicks on the roster since he's rule 5 and they won't send down Gus to work on his defense although that wouldn't be a terrible idea. Navaretto is miles better than either defensively and he's been mentoring Mack.

During the off-season Gus should get a first baseman mitt and play in DR or VNZ all winter.

Yes, let's bring up career AAA'er Brian Navarretto so the team can finish with 76 wins instead of 75.

75 is being generous. More to work with the staff and the young catchers. Sort of a bullpen catcher,catching coach role. Had to do with their development not winning short term.

Edited August 24, 2025Aug 24 by TheMarlinsProject

9 hours ago, TheMarlinsProject said:

75 is being generous. More to work with the staff and the young catchers. Sort of a bullpen catcher,catching coach role. Had to do with their development not winning short term.

They’ve hired like 100 coaches and 1000 Front Office people. Maybe those people can coach instead of calling up a AAA catcher to coach.

Maybe a 1b instead of a DH, but isn't going to stick at C

Orioles are putting adley on the block 🤷

I mean gotta assume Joe Mack will be the main C once he's called up, and he's generally regarded as a pretty decent defensive catcher. Got to see him a few times in AAA Jax and he's pretty athletic. I can't really judge his framing ability but everything else looks good.