Happy Birthday George W. Bush

[Mark]

Perhaps. It's really an argument that shouldn't have to happen in the first place. What has happened happened, and we should just focus on getting the govt right there and getting our boys home.

 

By the way this is my 1,00th post. And this makes me happy because I'm a post whore.

[g8trz2003]

mmm whore

[Rune]

Happy Birthday :plain

[g8trz2003]

without taking sides....tonyi has taken up some very interesting similarities b/t WWII and the "war" on Iraq (a "war" b/c we haven't declared war on Iraq).

[RippyO]

without taking sides....tonyi has taken up some very interesting similarities b/t WWII and the "war" on Iraq (a "war" b/c we haven't declared war on Iraq).

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Well, one could argue that Hitler definitely had more resources towards taking over a bunch of other countries. Of course even then, the isolationists were out in force with their Chicken Little scenarios.

[RippyO]

I am not wasting my time or energy with you. Believe what you want to believe. I really don't care what your opinion is, since you have little regard for mine.

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Taking your ball and going home?

[FutureGM]

Hopefully Bush will choke on another pretzel. But better yet, he won't be in the White House this time next year, or else the America we know and love won't be the same.

[ChoitotheWorld]

Hopefully Bush will choke on another pretzel. But better yet, he won't be in the White House this time next year, or else the America we know and love won't be the same.

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It's nice to see people wish our president well on his birthday.

[Lcyberlina]

I am not wasting my time or energy with you. Believe what you want to believe. I really don't care what your opinion is, since you have little regard for mine.

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I'm desperately trying to guide you out of the realm of popular opinion into the realm of reasoned conclusion based on verifiable fact and historical record.

 

Alas, the horse has been led to water but refused to drink... :deadhorse

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You see Tonyi this is your problem, trying to "guide me" out of what you deem popular opinion. Truth of the matter is, my opinion is not at all popular, as you can see from the opinions often posted on this forum. I'm far from your reach.

 

You consider me a "liberal" or "leftist", which in your little world means the same as "socialist" or "communist". Truth of the matter is, that you don't know the first thing about me or any "liberal". The same I don't know you, so I can not pass judgement on your background, intelligence or state of mind.

 

My opinions are mine, to digress or to share. I don't intend to change anyone's opinion, for it is not up to me; it is always up to the other person. I can only express my views and see if I can hit a middle ground or a compromise.

 

We've reached a point in which, neither you or me is going to "win" this argument. I think the war in Iraq is unjust and unnecessary, you think it is comparable to WWII. I beg to disagree and since we cannot reach a common ground, I declare this conversation finished.

 

To Furman:

There is no score to keep. It wasn't a match. No one was "pwned". Only America has been "pwned".

[Dodge]

Happy Birthday and may life be kind to you Mr. President, because the millions of Americans whose birthdays you have ruined and for the hundreds of soldiers who will never sing their happy birthdays again, you will not be forgiven.

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Yeah, FDR ruined a lot more birthdays than Bush did. So did LBJ and Woodrow Wilson. Those darn presidents and their wars.

 

Happy Birthday George.

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Yeah darn wars! :thumbdown

 

On another note... Brave soldiers died in previous wars that were necessary and just. :thumbup Their efforts will not go into history as the major blunder in foreign policy... You know like this Iraq "war" we are supposedly "winning".

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It's a war on terrorism...and we are winning. The Taliban is out, Sadam is out and the US is safer than before.

 

Stay diligent Mr. President - and have a happy birthday.

 

:thumbup

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B-I-N-G-O

[Lcyberlina]

Happy Birthday and may life be kind to you Mr. President, because the millions of Americans whose birthdays you have ruined and for the hundreds of soldiers who will never sing their happy birthdays again, you will not be forgiven.

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Yeah, FDR ruined a lot more birthdays than Bush did. So did LBJ and Woodrow Wilson. Those darn presidents and their wars.

 

Happy Birthday George.

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Yeah darn wars! :thumbdown

 

On another note... Brave soldiers died in previous wars that were necessary and just. :thumbup Their efforts will not go into history as the major blunder in foreign policy... You know like this Iraq "war" we are supposedly "winning".

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It's a war on terrorism...and we are winning. The Taliban is out, Sadam is out and the US is safer than before.

 

Stay diligent Mr. President - and have a happy birthday.

 

:thumbup

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B-I-N-G-O

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:mischief2 I'm puzzled. First there is nothing we've won, when there are still people and soldiers dying in Iraq and Afghanistan. Second, the Taliban is still fighting in Afghanistan. Third, the US is not safer because "Saddam is out"; we would be safer (maybe) if the one out was Osama Bin Laden.

[Dodge]

Refresh my memory... when was the last time terrorists attacked our country? Was it before or after our leadership decided it was time to take action?

 

When was the last time we heard from Osama Bin Laden... like, credibly?

 

Yes Lina, I know our troops are dying. That is why I thank them, because it is my belief that if they weren't overseas dying, we American civilians would be dying in our homeland.

 

Thank God Bush made an unpopular decision... because I feel a lot safer in my country now.

[Lcyberlina]

Refresh my memory... when was the last time terrorists attacked our country?? Was it before or after our leadership decided it was time to take action?

 

When was the last time we heard from Osama Bin Laden... like, credibly?

 

Yes Lina, I know our troops are dying.? That is why I thank them, because it is my belief that if they weren't overseas dying, we American civilians would be dying in our homeland.

 

Thank God Bush made an unpopular decision... because I feel a lot safer in my country now.

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It was popular decision when we all thought he was telling the truth. Now we know (must of us anyway) he was liying, that is why is "unpopular" now.

 

I sure hope the terrorists don't attack our country again, since Bush has made a hell of a recruiting agent for Bin Laden.

[ChoitotheWorld]

What is popular shouldn't matter, since the American people don't know what is best for them. 37% approval for the revolution.

[legacyofCangelosi]

Refresh my memory... when was the last time terrorists attacked our country?? Was it before or after our leadership decided it was time to take action?

 

When was the last time we heard from Osama Bin Laden... like, credibly?

 

Yes Lina, I know our troops are dying.? That is why I thank them, because it is my belief that if they weren't overseas dying, we American civilians would be dying in our homeland.

 

Thank God Bush made an unpopular decision... because I feel a lot safer in my country now.

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It was popular decision when we all thought he was telling the truth. Now we know (must of us anyway) he was liying, that is why is "unpopular" now.

 

I sure hope the terrorists don't attack our country again, since Bush has made a hell of a recruiting agent for Bin Laden.

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If the islamic militants who hate america hate america more now b/c of what bush has done thats a good thing, it means we're hitting thme where it hurts. And bush obviously wasnt lying he used the information that was given to him, so if that info was incorrect he was fooled like everyone else. We can also argue indefintely about how much of this info actually WAS incorrect as well.

[Beinfest4Prez]

Refresh my memory... when was the last time terrorists attacked our country? Was it before or after our leadership decided it was time to take action?

 

When was the last time we heard from Osama Bin Laden... like, credibly?

 

Yes Lina, I know our troops are dying. That is why I thank them, because it is my belief that if they weren't overseas dying, we American civilians would be dying in our homeland.

 

Thank God Bush made an unpopular decision... because I feel a lot safer in my country now.

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It was popular decision when we all thought he was telling the truth. Now we know (must of us anyway) he was liying, that is why is "unpopular" now.

 

I sure hope the terrorists don't attack our country again, since Bush has made a hell of a recruiting agent for Bin Laden.

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If the islamic militants who hate america hate america more now b/c of what bush has done thats a good thing, it means we're hitting thme where it hurts. And bush obviously wasnt lying he used the information that was given to him, so if that info was incorrect he was fooled like everyone else. We can also argue indefintely about how much of this info actually WAS incorrect as well.

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Why is it ever good when more people are pissed off at you? :blink:

 

 

You republicans disgust me because if you were American you would understand that the terrorists can't ever be stopped because of their hard line beliefs.

 

 

Oh yeah, isn't a little wierd that the last time a terrorist(from overseas) attacked the United States was in 1992? hmmm maybe both Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. have the stupid gene. God knows the rest of the family doesn't.

 

 

Oh yeah, and I yet again bring up this point: Rumsfeld gave them the damn WMDs, why don't you go looking at him. I mean, none of this wouldn't have come up if he didn't give them to Saddam.

 

 

You Republicans (Most, not all) love ignoring facts. There will never be a goddamn WMD found in Iraq unless the whole world with every person digs up their square inch of earth, abortion is legal and should never be challenged, and tax breaks are not good for a country. What I find most appaling is that there are still Jewish Republicans on this board who still support Bush. With all the laws he wants on gay marriage and abortion to name a few, he is leading this country into a Christian Entity. He is a dangerous threat to the well being and free speech of this country.

[Beinfest4Prez]

Why is it ever good when more people are pissed off at you? :blink:

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That kinda depends on who they are doesn't it?

 

Do you think any American prez or congress would consider the feelings of say the American Nazi party before doing something that they would object to? (something like maybe the 60's civil right legislation).

 

Let me clue you in on a life lesson since I know I'm a lot older than you are. The only way to go through life without pissing people off is to be a complete doormat and let other people drive your life rather than you driving your life. If you care about the feelings of every crackpot and loose screw, you'll spend your whole life worrying about crackpots and loose screws.

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Well thats great Tonyi, except for the fact America is supposed to be a neutralist country. Theres a great joke about it here it is.

 

 

A man was walking along the sidewalk and sees a kid there.

The kid is eating all this chocalate.

The man says: "Your going to get sick from eating all that chocolate."

The child replies: "Well my grandpa lived to be over a hundred years old!"

The man exclaims: "Wow, he did that eating all that chocolate?"

The Child then says: "No, he minded his own busines."

 

America is never supposed to be an aggressor and I have no objections to the Afghanistan war, in fact that was one of the best decisions of this administration.

 

 

Oh yeah, your life lesson is good if you live in the ghetto. Thanks. I didn't need it. I have parents who are capable of teaching me whats right and wrong. Thank you and shutup.

[Beinfest4Prez]

Well thats great Tonyi, except for the fact America is supposed to be a neutralist country. Theres a great joke about it here it is.

 

America is never supposed to be an aggressor and I have no objections to the Afghanistan war, in fact that was one of the best decisions of this administration.

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The economic influence and size of the USA prevent it from ever being as you say "neutralist". There is NOTHING we do that doesn't step on someone's imagined or real toes somewhere.

 

Look at what went on in Rwanda - we did absolutely nothing (just like the rest of the world), yet we were blamed for it and there's some crackpots in Africa seeking reparations because we did exactly what the rest of the world did. Why? Because the US was the only country with the military clout to actually do anything significant in a reasonable timeframe.

 

The US, simply because it is the US, is in a position like no other country on the planet. We are forever damned if we do by some, and forever damned if we don't by others.

 

Also, "aggression" is completely in the eye of the beholder. One mans aggression is another's freedom fight.

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Your completely right and wrong. Your right about us never being able to be completely neutral and what happened in Africa isn't our fault.

 

 

But your completely wrong that what I interpret by your last quote to mean about the Iraq war. The Iraqi's don't even want us there. Go ahead and join the military if you want to. No I hold nothing against the military personnel as they are true Americans but I am against all the beauracracy (sp?) in the Pentagon now.

[Beinfest4Prez]

But your completely wrong that what I interpret by your last quote to mean about the Iraq war. The Iraqi's don't even want us there. Go ahead and join the military if you want to. No I hold nothing against the military personnel as they are true Americans but I am against all the beauracracy (sp?) in the Pentagon now.

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IMO, being in the middle of an action is a bad spot to try to divine how the history books will eventually be written.

 

Japan obviously wasn't happy about being nuked at the time or occupied for the next 60 years (we still have troops in Japan). I think a perspective of decades rather than weeks is necessary to tell how things really work out.

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Oh yeah we are really "occupying" Japan. We have troops in every country fool.

 

 

Stop using your "decades argument" because it backfires on you to hell. The way Iraq is going, we are going to be there till the end of countries or human civilization. Whichever comes first.

[Beinfest4Prez]

Oh yeah we are really "occupying" Japan. We have troops in every country fool.

 

 

OK, clue me in - who's stationed in the DPRK? Do you view a marine embassy guard in others as a significant presense? I don't. There's still a significant presense in Japan. Its not behaving as an "occupation" army anymore of course - but it NEVER LEFT.

 

Stop using your "decades argument" because it backfires on you to hell. The way Iraq is going, we are going to be there till the end of countries or human civilization. Whichever comes first.

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We're still farting around in the Balkans - this is what, coming up on 10 years later maybe? I don't see you trotting out the guillotine for Clinton for getting us into that mess. There's proabbly a better chance of getting Iraq squared away than the Balkans...

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Why would I bring that up, its not like anyone thought of it till now. The Balkan area sucks. It just flat out sucks. Its like Iraq except this was earlier.

 

 

No, I don't view a marine embassy guard as much but their is usually a contigent of soldiers everywhere. Whether to protect American interests or not, they are everywhere. Your idiocy in politics is really getting to me, so I am gonna come back later after I practice to see if you have got smart or like most of Dade County, dumbed it up. See you later.

[Beinfest4Prez]

Why would I bring that up, its not like anyone thought of it till now. The Balkan area sucks. It just flat out sucks. Its like Iraq except this was earlier.447249[/snapback]

 

Why would you bring it up? Intellectual honesty leaps to mind...

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I never thought of it but thanks for bringing it into point. You see I am not really old enough to remember the Balkans except for Kosovo.

 

 

 

But of course I know my history (and not the crap in history books that lies). Just ask LCastillo.

[legacyofCangelosi]

Refresh my memory... when was the last time terrorists attacked our country?? Was it before or after our leadership decided it was time to take action?

 

When was the last time we heard from Osama Bin Laden... like, credibly?

 

Yes Lina, I know our troops are dying.? That is why I thank them, because it is my belief that if they weren't overseas dying, we American civilians would be dying in our homeland.

 

Thank God Bush made an unpopular decision... because I feel a lot safer in my country now.

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It was popular decision when we all thought he was telling the truth. Now we know (must of us anyway) he was liying, that is why is "unpopular" now.

 

I sure hope the terrorists don't attack our country again, since Bush has made a hell of a recruiting agent for Bin Laden.

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If the islamic militants who hate america hate america more now b/c of what bush has done thats a good thing, it means we're hitting thme where it hurts. And bush obviously wasnt lying he used the information that was given to him, so if that info was incorrect he was fooled like everyone else. We can also argue indefintely about how much of this info actually WAS incorrect as well.

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Why is it ever good when more people are pissed off at you? :blink:

 

 

You republicans disgust me because if you were American you would understand that the terrorists can't ever be stopped because of their hard line beliefs.

 

 

Oh yeah, isn't a little wierd that the last time a terrorist(from overseas) attacked the United States was in 1992? hmmm maybe both Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. have the stupid gene. God knows the rest of the family doesn't.

 

 

Oh yeah, and I yet again bring up this point: Rumsfeld gave them the damn WMDs, why don't you go looking at him. I mean, none of this wouldn't have come up if he didn't give them to Saddam.

 

 

You Republicans (Most, not all) love ignoring facts. There will never be a goddamn WMD found in Iraq unless the whole world with every person digs up their square inch of earth, abortion is legal and should never be challenged, and tax breaks are not good for a country. What I find most appaling is that there are still Jewish Republicans on this board who still support Bush. With all the laws he wants on gay marriage and abortion to name a few, he is leading this country into a Christian Entity. He is a dangerous threat to the well being and free speech of this country.

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First of all the weaposn to Iraq were provided in order to fend off the ayatollah Komeini (sp?) who was deemed as more of a threat at the time (rightfully so). So hows that for ignoring the facts. And in addition to that, the part of the 'Christian bible' that says that homosexual relationships are wrong is in Leviticus, which is in the christian old testament meaning that the Jews also follow that. In fact leviticus in the torah the first 5 books of hebrew scripture which define their laws.

[Beinfest4Prez]

Refresh my memory... when was the last time terrorists attacked our country? Was it before or after our leadership decided it was time to take action?

 

When was the last time we heard from Osama Bin Laden... like, credibly?

 

Yes Lina, I know our troops are dying. That is why I thank them, because it is my belief that if they weren't overseas dying, we American civilians would be dying in our homeland.

 

Thank God Bush made an unpopular decision... because I feel a lot safer in my country now.

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It was popular decision when we all thought he was telling the truth. Now we know (must of us anyway) he was liying, that is why is "unpopular" now.

 

I sure hope the terrorists don't attack our country again, since Bush has made a hell of a recruiting agent for Bin Laden.

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If the islamic militants who hate america hate america more now b/c of what bush has done thats a good thing, it means we're hitting thme where it hurts. And bush obviously wasnt lying he used the information that was given to him, so if that info was incorrect he was fooled like everyone else. We can also argue indefintely about how much of this info actually WAS incorrect as well.

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Why is it ever good when more people are pissed off at you? :blink:

 

 

You republicans disgust me because if you were American you would understand that the terrorists can't ever be stopped because of their hard line beliefs.

 

 

Oh yeah, isn't a little wierd that the last time a terrorist(from overseas) attacked the United States was in 1992? hmmm maybe both Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. have the stupid gene. God knows the rest of the family doesn't.

 

 

Oh yeah, and I yet again bring up this point: Rumsfeld gave them the damn WMDs, why don't you go looking at him. I mean, none of this wouldn't have come up if he didn't give them to Saddam.

 

 

You Republicans (Most, not all) love ignoring facts. There will never be a goddamn WMD found in Iraq unless the whole world with every person digs up their square inch of earth, abortion is legal and should never be challenged, and tax breaks are not good for a country. What I find most appaling is that there are still Jewish Republicans on this board who still support Bush. With all the laws he wants on gay marriage and abortion to name a few, he is leading this country into a Christian Entity. He is a dangerous threat to the well being and free speech of this country.

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First of all the weaposn to Iraq were provided in order to fend off the ayatollah Komeini (sp?) who was deemed as more of a threat at the time (rightfully so). So hows that for ignoring the facts. And in addition to that, the part of the 'Christian bible' that says that homosexual relationships are wrong is in Leviticus, which is in the christian old testament meaning that the Jews also follow that. In fact in the torah the first 5 books of hebrew scripture

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Have you ever heard a Jew mouth off about it? Come on. And no offense but I would never trust a thing that calls the Torah and the Talmud, "The Old Testement." I will stop right there because this isn't going to become a religious debate.

 

 

No Jews, do not strictly follow that anymore. The only ones who do are the ultra-orthodox.

 

 

 

And second of all, that arguement that Ayatollah was a greater threat at the time, well thats true but it was so short-sighted it wasn't even funny. And why didn't we go into Iran to change their government, look for WMDs, and piss off the whole Arab world. Now I know the Soviet Union would've done something but they weren't exactly a threat anymore by that time. Gorbachev was too much of a reformer to do that. Don't defend Rumsfeld because he is a criminal like Bush.

[Lcyberlina]

First of all the weaposn to Iraq were provided in order to fend off the ayatollah Komeini (sp?) who was deemed as more of a threat at the time (rightfully so). So hows that for ignoring the facts. And in addition to that, the part of the 'Christian bible' that says that homosexual relationships are wrong is in Leviticus, which is in the christian old testament meaning that the Jews also follow that. In fact leviticus in the torah the first 5 books of hebrew scripture which define their laws.

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:mischief2 hmmmm interesting! Isn't it weird that we invaded Iraq instead of Iran who actually does pose a "threat" to the US, has strong and CONFIRMED ties to terrorists and has WMDs? Don't you think you are being too naive Legacy? If we were to invade a country for the reasons given to us prior to this quagmire, it would have been Iran, not Iraq. So your "explanation" doesn't hold.

 

I don't know what the gay argument is about, but the bible has no place in politics... Sorry, but that is the way it is. Republicans use this as bait for deeply religious voters, but if they actually believed what they "preached", Roe vs. Wade never happens and abortion would be illegal. This is the same reason why the gay marriage ammendment is never going to pass. It is just red meat for the angry dog of the religious right.

[Nugget]

I wonder if there will ever be a thread on this board where there won't be any arguing.