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With ever gaining frequency we've seen this eight letter term starting with 'f' and ending with 'e' that is meant to draw on our fears and attack the relationship between fan and team. Often in discussions among fans of other teams or in the national press, but it's found its way a few times into the local press and among Marlins fans.

 

To those who use insidious term, I ask you to step out of the shadows, and answer these questions:

If the team is giving up, why are they seeking a team to unload Lowell on rather than wait to see if he'll bonce back next year?

If this team is heading into a youth movement, why are not Delgado or LoDuca or Jones rumored to be traded?

If this team was simply giving up, why aren't they waiting until the deadline to get the best package for Burnett?

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I applaud you RFerry for that post. I know you hated the LA trade, but as all rational posters on here know, we are getting rid of a pitcher who hasn't done anything of note in the past month other than the complete game at TAmpa Bay, or the ridiculous 14 K's, but with four runs attached. I like Mikey as much as the next guy but if you aren't producing and you haven't for over a year, its time to part with you.

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With ever gaining frequency we've seen this eight letter term starting with 'f' and ending with 'e' that is meant to draw on our fears and attack the relationship between fan and team. Often in discussions among fans of other teams or in the national press, but it's found its way a few times into the local press and among Marlins fans.

 

To those who use insidious term, I ask you to step out of the shadows, and answer these questions:

If the team is giving up, why are they seeking a team to unload Lowell on rather than wait to see if he'll bonce back next year?

If this team is heading into a youth movement, why are not Delgado or LoDuca or Jones rumored to be traded?

If this team was simply giving up, why aren't they waiting until the deadline to get the best package for Burnett?

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What frightens me is that for some insane reason Beinfest thinks these deals will help the team.

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How do you know that this will be the only move? Are you Mr. Beinfest, if so please tell us. Admin Beinfest, every single year he has been here, has made numerous trades before the trade deadline. Don't discount it just because we are ridding ourselves of a dead weight in Mikey and a pitcher that refuses to show passion for this team anymore, that this is a bad trade. Historical, pitchers going from the American to the National league have done leaps and bounds better.

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I'm not quite sure if my answer fully addresses the question posed, but simply:

 

AJ is the only way to unload Lowell, and I mean for the life of Lowell's contract; it's a $25 million gamble we aren't ready to make given the stats for the better part of a year regarding Lowell's decline. He could have a huge 2006, or he could simply be worse. If next year were the final year of his contract, this decision is much easier (keep him and hope for the best), but the fact that 2007 also looms is a very scary gamble.

 

This trade speaks more to the deal we plan to make this offseason with the freed up cash from Lowell (or, at least that's what I speculate), than what we have going on for 2005.

 

Delgado and LoDuca can't be traded just because there's no cost effective replacement that figures to be available if we wish to remain competitive for the next 3 years, simple as that. Plus, what young position players are they depriving of playing time?

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With ever gaining frequency we've seen this eight letter term starting with 'f' and ending with 'e' that is meant to draw on our fears and attack the relationship between fan and team. Often in discussions among fans of other teams or in the national press, but it's found its way a few times into the local press and among Marlins fans.

 

To those who use insidious term, I ask you to step out of the shadows, and answer these questions:

If the team is giving up, why are they seeking a team to unload Lowell on rather than wait to see if he'll bonce back next year?

If this team is heading into a youth movement, why are not Delgado or LoDuca or Jones rumored to be traded?

If this team was simply giving up, why aren't they waiting until the deadline to get the best package for Burnett?

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What frightens me is that for some insane reason Beinfest thinks these deals will help the team.

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hah. 1000 beinfest clones up on this msg board

 

the thing is i dont think anything can judge whether it will or will not help right now. who knows what will happen when certain players switch teams. it could be the sparkplug that is needed. new scenery...better performance. what makes anyone on this board have the superior knowledge to know whether this will help now or not? and im not just talking about stats on paper. noone can honestly say that if this trade goes down, for example, Bigbie comes here and goes off. yes you can scream till your blue in the face look at his #'s but the front office obviously has that job for a reason and we are sitting here behind a msg board all day spitting rumours. at this point im down for change. this move will def help us in teh long run (mostly financially) but not one person on this board can prove this will hurt us right now until teh deal is done and the players get a chance to prove themselves.

 

im expecting the flame b/c it comes with the territory on this board. but i like voicing my opinions :thumbup

 

good evening.

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What frightens me is that for some insane reason Beinfest thinks these deals will help the team.

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That's a whole other thing.

 

 

It's common knowledge there are people out there that want the Marlins to fail. Maybe to keep their (or their friends) hold of the sports market. Maybe to keep their favorite personnel around. Maybe to trash Loria or south Florida or the tradition of the Marlins. For what ever reason, they are attempting to use us against ourselves.

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W/o Burnett, I figure our rotation may be something along the lines of Beckett/Willis/Moehler/Valdes/Olsen... best case scenario and Vargas as the 6th starter... of course this hinges on Valdes coming back and doing well, but this is still a decent pitching rotation... not to mention spinning Penn over to Oakland is still a possibility to get Zito, and then you could drop everyone down a spot in the rotation and possibly use a 6 man rotation, or have Olsen or Valdes come out of the bullpen... Bigbie is not that bad, and all things considered would be a plus over Lowell... and Kline had a sub 2.00 ERA a year ago, when he was in the NL, so he could bounce back... all in all, this has the potential to be a great trade...

and if you were being sarcastic, this sarcasm is killing me... :whistle

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Very good Rferry, there's hope for you yet. :thumbup

 

You're absolutely 100% on the mark.

 

Since I no longer discuss trade rumors, I won't, but let me say when the dust settles and August 1 rolls around I have enough confidence in the guys upstairs we'll have a team that has a better chance of making a final run at the playoffs than we do today. Having alot of time on my hands, I'm going out for a drink with friends and maybe later a nice big rock lobster tail.

 

See y'all later, and don't call me if something goes down. I'll read about it later.

 

Go get'em Admin B. !

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This is not a firesale at all. C'Mon we are moving the salary of a player who has had a terrible beginning to this year and an end to last year. Burnett hinted about his reluctance to sign with the Fish. We are making the correct moves here.

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These aren't the correct moves for a team trying to make the postseason this season.

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once again. YOU do not know this :blink:

 

everyone needs to stop acting like THEY are the owner of a major league team

 

let things take there course and see how they play out before YOU make that decision

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With ever gaining frequency we've seen this eight letter term starting with 'f' and ending with 'e' that is meant to draw on our fears and attack the relationship between fan and team. Often in discussions among fans of other teams or in the national press, but it's found its way a few times into the local press and among Marlins fans.

 

To those who use insidious term, I ask you to step out of the shadows, and answer these questions:

If the team is giving up, why are they seeking a team to unload Lowell on rather than wait to see if he'll bonce back next year?

If this team is heading into a youth movement, why are not Delgado or LoDuca or Jones rumored to be traded?

If this team was simply giving up, why aren't they waiting until the deadline to get the best package for Burnett?

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This is a flawed post to begin with. You're getting caught up in all the rumor and speculation and building it into something that you're presenting as fact. It's not a fact that they are seeking a team to unload Lowell on. It's not a fact that Delgado, LoDuca, Jones are not available for trade. A good GM would have everyone potentially available at the right price. It's not a fact that we're not waiting for the last minute to get a better package for AJ. Everything that we think we know is only rumors, not facts. I can understand getting caught up in the rumors. The more you hear about them, the more the tendency is to turn them into fact.

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I think that the only fact we can know is that Beinfest will do what is best for the team now and in the future. Everything else is simply rumor.

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This is a flawed post to begin with. You're getting caught up in all the rumor and speculation and building it into something that you're presenting as fact. It's not a fact that they are seeking a team to unload Lowell on. It's not a fact that Delgado, LoDuca, Jones are not available for trade. A good GM would have everyone potentially available at the right price. It's not a fact that we're not waiting for the last minute to get a better package for AJ. Everything that we think we know is only rumors, not facts. I can understand getting caught up in the rumors. The more you hear about them, the more the tendency is to turn them into fact.

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I think that the only fact we can know is that Beinfest will do what is best for the team now and in the future. Everything else is simply rumor.

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Let me first state that I don't necessarily think the Marlins have a good shot at the playoffs, with or without A.J or Mike, and I wouldn't be opposed to making a move that may have 2006 in mind and hope the shakeup might help the talented 2005 team.

 

However the speculation that this is the sign of something larger - i.e. giving up on the current core and starting over again - is off base and without reason. To the point that it suggests foul play on their part.

 

Whether or not Todd Jones - a productive closer on an one-year deal - is on the trading block gives you a good indication of how this team sees itself.

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