September 17, 200520 yr Nope. Besides legalization of "pot" has been tried before by many states including TN, AK, etc. and they have gone back to criminalizing it. I really don't need more "under influence people" in society or driving a car. :hat ? :hat 950900[/snapback] Then why not call for alchohol to be illegal under those same needs? 951032[/snapback] That would OK with me, however that has been tried before and failed. Alcohol is too ingrain as a legal custom in society to be outlawed. (I'm not calling for alcohol to be illegal).
September 17, 200520 yr Nope. Besides legalization of "pot" has been tried before by many states including TN, AK, etc. and they have gone back to criminalizing it. I really don't need more "under influence people" in society or driving a car. :hat ? :hat 950900[/snapback] Then why not call for alchohol to be illegal under those same needs? 951032[/snapback] That would OK with me, however that has been tried before and failed. Alcohol is too ingrain as a legal custom in society to be outlawed. (I'm not calling for alcohol to be illegal). 951322[/snapback] Ummmm... The same thing can be said for weed. It's ILLEGAL, and yet people still smoke it. There's magazines about it. There's a whole trade for it. There are doods dealing it. There are shady guy growing it and selling it on the market. Same problem(s).
September 18, 200520 yr I don't really have a strong opinion on this, so I'm not trying to get into a big debate over this but let me throw this out. People get away with robberies and other crimes against civilians every day, do we legalize those as well because we can't prevent all of them?
September 18, 200520 yr I am of the line of thinking that if you legalize it and have it regulated by the surgeon general, that it would be fine. In the very least, legalize it for those with Glaucoma or other extremely painful diseases.
September 18, 200520 yr I don't really have a strong opinion on this, so I'm not trying to get into a big debate over this but let me throw this out. People get away with robberies and other crimes against civilians every day, do we legalize those as well because we can't prevent all of them? 951359[/snapback] Why is it the government's job to determine what people can and cannot do to their own bodies? To the extent that they're NOT hurting other people, it should be legalized. Anything as a result (driving high and killing people) should be the domain of the law. Besides, there's better drugs than alchohol and better drugs for ya'.
September 18, 200520 yr Why is it the government's job to determine what people can and cannot do to their own bodies? To the extent that they're NOT hurting other people, it should be legalized. Anything as a result (driving high and killing people) should be the domain of the law. 951387[/snapback] Why is it a mother's job to keep her kids away from all of that and lead them down the right path? Ultimately, we both have different views of government. You believe, the less the better. I believe Gov has more of a maternal role in the lives of people. I may not be putting this into the best terms but I'll put in frankly. Some people are not responsible enough for total freedom, thus I believe The government should do their best to protect them, if they fail so be it but they gave the person a chance which is all you can say. You may disagree with this, and it's cool. This issue is not of importance to me so I'm not going to get in a complicated debate about something I don't really feel that strongly about.
September 18, 200520 yr Marijuana use is still illegal in both countries mentioned. It's become a popular myth that it's legal in those mentioned countries.
September 18, 200520 yr Marijuana use is still illegal in both countries mentioned. It's become a popular myth that it's legal in those mentioned countries. 951427[/snapback] In Amsterdam and Toronto it is legal to own, smoke and sell weed. If that ain't legal I don't know what is. There's a high times article about it in the new issue, if you're into that kind of thing. Oh, my gosh, people can't take care of themselves? What are we going to do? Well, I don't want them driving a car, being able to buy alchohol or guns either. You want to take those "rights" away while we're at it?
September 18, 200520 yr Marijuana would be hard for the government to regulate.. that's the only reason its not legal.
September 18, 200520 yr Marijuana would be hard for the government to regulate.. that's the only reason its not legal. 951629[/snapback] Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
September 18, 200520 yr Alcohol, after what it has done to me and my frineds throughout today...should be illegalized
September 18, 200520 yr Alcohol, after what it has done to me and my frineds throughout today...should be illegalized 951635[/snapback] Ahh, nothing like football gameday in the fall on campus...
September 18, 200520 yr College Station is one big frdrunken stupor Only reason im on here is because i dont have the energy to get upp and got to bed
September 18, 200520 yr Marijuana would be hard for the government to regulate.. that's the only reason its not legal. 951629[/snapback] Once corporate America gets a hold of this the govt will have no problem regulating it. Why? Because corporate America can give the public what they want cheaper and probably a whole lot better, than your neighborhood drug dealer.
September 18, 200520 yr Marijuana would be hard for the government to regulate.. that's the only reason its not legal. 951629[/snapback] Once corporate America gets a hold of this the govt will have no problem regulating it. Why? Because corporate America can give the public what they want cheaper and probably a whole lot better, than your neighborhood drug dealer. 951655[/snapback] Reality..... Link
September 18, 200520 yr Marijuana would be hard for the government to regulate.. that's the only reason its not legal. 951629[/snapback] Once corporate America gets a hold of this the govt will have no problem regulating it. Why? Because corporate America can give the public what they want cheaper and probably a whole lot better, than your neighborhood drug dealer. 951655[/snapback] Reality..... Link 951688[/snapback] LOL @ Reality.... One cases of someone smuggling IN marijuana.
September 18, 200520 yr Marijuana would be hard for the government to regulate.. that's the only reason its not legal. 951629[/snapback] Once corporate America gets a hold of this the govt will have no problem regulating it. Why? Because corporate America can give the public what they want cheaper and probably a whole lot better, than your neighborhood drug dealer. 951655[/snapback] Reality..... Link 951688[/snapback] Hmmmm... Well, reality for what? It's not legal there. It's also not America. We don't execute people for using or selling marijuana. We put them in jail, which is almost as dumb. The reality is if it's legal it's not different than beer. People still brew their own beer. People also still buy beer. And the money farmers would make off of weed would be a good thing. Just seem unnatural to make pot illegal when it grows naturally upon the earth. For you Christians, it's like saying God made a mistake.
September 18, 200520 yr Ummmm... The same thing can be said for weed. It's ILLEGAL, and yet people still smoke it. There's magazines about it. There's a whole trade for it. There are doods dealing it. There are shady guy growing it and selling it on the market. Same problem(s). 951351[/snapback] Not at all. In moderation, alcohol can aid one's health. The same cannot be said for marijuana (at least for normal, healthy individuals). If you were to substitute cigarettes for alcohol, then I'd see your point and agree with you. Your comment about driving drunk is relevant, except that's a situation where alcohol is abused and not used in moderation. One could abuse sleeping pills or cough medicine with similar results.
September 18, 200520 yr The whole drinking alcohol in moderation is SO blown out of proportion. Only certain types of alcohol MAY be good for you in moderation and that is still not conclusive. Yes red wine has anti oxidants but that is only because it is made from red grapes, which drinking grape juice will do the same.
September 18, 200520 yr In Amsterdam and Toronto it is legal to own, smoke and sell weed.? If that ain't legal I don't know what is.? 951605[/snapback] From an Amsterdam tourism site, not as credible as a high times report but then again nothing is. Marijuana, cannabis, pot and hashish is not really legal in Holland or The Netherlands. Again, it's a myth that it's legal in both places, they are not as harshly enforced but it is not legal.
September 18, 200520 yr This is an interesting thread in that it is as much about your views on civil liberties as it is on your views on drugs. I have noticed a lot of people in this forum have argued that their problem isn't that pot is illegal and that they want to smoke it but that the government shouldn't have the right to regulate its use because it's none of their business. I know that most people in here consider themselves a Republican or a Democrat with a minority classifying themselves as Independent [which isn't a real party!]. There are a bunch of other parties out there who usually end up supporting a candidate from one of our bi-partisan parties. For example, you should see what the Libertarian Party has to say about this issue: Drug prohibition does more to make Americans unsafe than any other factor. Just as alcohol prohibition gave us Al Capone and the mafia, drug prohibition has given us the Crips, the Bloods and drive-by shootings. Consider the historical evidence: America's murder rate rose nearly 70% during alcohol prohibition, but returned to its previous levels after prohibition ended. Now, since the War on Drugs began, America's murder rates have doubled. The cause/effect relationship is clear. Prohibition is putting innocent lives at risk. What's more, drug prohibition also inflates the cost of drugs, leading users to steal to support their high priced habits. It is estimated that drug addicts commit 25% of all auto thefts, 40% of robberies and assaults, and 50% of burglaries and larcenies. Prohibition puts your property at risk. Finally, nearly one half of all police resources are devoted to stopping drug trafficking, instead of preventing violent crime. The bottom line? By ending drug prohibition Libertarians would double the resources available for crime prevention, and significantly reduce the number of violent criminals at work in your neighborhood. Source: http://www.lp.org I just thought you all might find some of this stuff interesting...
September 18, 200520 yr BTW, here's a great article against the legalization. A great read, whatever side you're on. It's a bit long but worth it. http://www.city-journal.org/html/7_2_a1.html
September 18, 200520 yr In Amsterdam and Toronto it is legal to own, smoke and sell weed.? If that ain't legal I don't know what is.? 951605[/snapback] From an Amsterdam tourism site, not as credible as a high times report but then again nothing is. Marijuana, cannabis, pot and hashish is not really legal in Holland or The Netherlands. Again, it's a myth that it's legal in both places, they are not as harshly enforced but it is not legal. 951763[/snapback] In Amsterdam there's regulations, but it's legal. If you could walk into a cafe', buy it, and smoke it, how is it illegal?
September 18, 200520 yr In Amsterdam and Toronto it is legal to own, smoke and sell weed.? If that ain't legal I don't know what is.? 951605[/snapback] From an Amsterdam tourism site, not as credible as a high times report but then again nothing is. Marijuana, cannabis, pot and hashish is not really legal in Holland or The Netherlands. Again, it's a myth that it's legal in both places, they are not as harshly enforced but it is not legal. 951763[/snapback] In Amsterdam there's regulations, but it's legal. If you could walk into a cafe', buy it, and smoke it, how is it illegal? 951925[/snapback] you can't just smoke it in any cafe, only in "coffee shops" (must be 18 to enter, you can buy it and smoke it there or at home) and yes, according to law it is indeed illegal, but we have this "gedoogbeleid", it's accepted as long as you smoke it in a coffee shop or at home and as long as you don't grow it yourself, sell it on the street and it doesn't get out of hand there may be a lot of criminality in Amsterdam, that's mostly just the underworld, Amsterdam is pretty safe for normal people (been there a dozen of times) that said i don't know if it would be a good idea for the US and if it would actually decrease criminality..I think if the US wants to decrease it they better start with some other basic things (ban guns)
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