March 25, 200620 yr Sorry if posted: The Marlins have not abandoned the notion of acquiring Tampa Bay center fielder Joey Gathright, but the two teams are having trouble matching up. The Devil Rays are believed to have requested two of the Marlins' premium pitching prospects, more than the Marlins have offered. Houston center fielder Willy Taveras also is being monitored. He could become available if Jeff Bagwell proves healthy enough to play first base. It would move Lance Berkman back to the outfield and make Taveras expendable, particularly for young, major league-ready pitching. Source: Sun-sentinal.com I really like this option. There asking price is reported to be less than what the Rays want for Joey. Although this deal probably wont be made by opening day, the Fish are still looking at it. We will get a first look at him opening day in Houston. I would prefer him over Joey. Comments? Thoughts? What do you guys think?
March 25, 200620 yr i like it but i donthink the astros woul give him up for less than what TAmpa wanted for gathright
March 25, 200620 yr If they don't require Olsen or another one of the Top Tier guys that are ready to go, do it. Maybe a Nolasco for Taveras would be a coup for Beinfest. With that said, I can't fathom any reason why the Astros would be trading him. He's a prototypical leadoff guy who has good range and a cannon for an arm. Not to mention, he just won RotY. Seems cooked up to me.
March 25, 200620 yr Not to mention, he just won RotY. Seems cooked up to me. Ryan Howard? Taveras should have won, but Howard won. Kind of like Podsednik/Willis in '03.
March 25, 200620 yr If they don't require Olsen or another one of the Top Tier guys that are ready to go, do it. Maybe a Nolasco for Taveras would be a coup for Beinfest. With that said, I can't fathom any reason why the Astros would be trading him. He's a prototypical leadoff guy who has good range and a cannon for an arm. Not to mention, he just won RotY. Seems cooked up to me. If I'm not mistaken, Ryan Howard won ROY. Anyway, Taveras isn't that great. Look at his home/away splits. His road stats are horrible, with a pitiful OBP and SLG. Plus, his home games are a very hitter friendly park in Houston. Imagine him in Dolphins Stadium. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him if the price was right. He has potential for upside obviously. But those road stats scare me. He's a bit overrated in my opinion. Road: .252/.282/.289
March 25, 200620 yr Now we are wheeling and dealing! Although I am sure that the guy we'll end up with is Joey Gathright, I am extremely high on Willy Taveras.
March 25, 200620 yr I don't like neither of the two but if I had to chose I would go with Joey Gathright based on talent, potential, tools. Now, knowing Tampa Bay they will ask for 2 top prospects, which is why I rather give Abercrombie, Reed and Aguila a shot first.
March 25, 200620 yr Tampa was asking for 2 premium prospects for Gathright? Wow, honestly TB...get that Kazmir/Zambrano trade out of your mind, your not going to get another steal like that...ever. Gathright isn't worth 1 top pitching prospect.
March 25, 200620 yr Now we're talking! Taveras is a stud I rather have him on his worse day than Gathright on his best...Taveras is much better with the leather and has a infinitely better arm! Taveras is a much better hitter as well...Make it so!
March 25, 200620 yr I don't like neither of the two but if I had to chose I would go with Joey Gathright based on talent, potential, tools. Now, knowing Tampa Bay they will ask for 2 top prospects, which is why I rather give Abercrombie, Reed and Aguila a shot first. I'm proud of you! But yes, two prospects? PPPSSSSHHH. If their names are Pinto and Tankersly sure. But somehow, I doubt it's those two.
March 25, 200620 yr Go For it. He'll add some veteran leadership. He has more major league starts all by himself than the total combined starts of our catcher, first baseman, second baseman, shortstop, right fielder, and left fielder, all put together. And he still has upside potential.
March 25, 200620 yr Go For it. He'll add some veteran leadership. He has more major league starts all by himself than the total combined starts of our catcher, first baseman, second baseman, shortstop, right fielder, and left fielder, all put together. And he still has upside potential. It is his second year. Yeah he has started more games then the rest of the OF combined, but he is by no means a vet.
March 25, 200620 yr the astros have a couple of other guys they like even more that are a year or two away for center field.
March 25, 200620 yr Go For it. He'll add some veteran leadership. He has more major league starts all by himself than the total combined starts of our catcher, first baseman, second baseman, shortstop, right fielder, and left fielder, all put together. And he still has upside potential. It is his second year. Yeah he has started more games then the rest of the OF combined, but he is by no means a vet. I know it's just his second year. He's a vet compared to the rest of the team. And he's started more games than the rest of outfield AND infield combined, with the exception of Cabrera.
March 25, 200620 yr Now we are wheeling and dealing! Although I am sure that the guy we'll end up with is Joey Gathright, I am extremely high on Willy Taveras. Taveras had a hell of a start to his season last year and had a pretty good year all the way through the break. He would be a good addition to these young Marlins. No reason not to be high on him. Go For it. He'll add some veteran leadership. He has more major league starts all by himself than the total combined starts of our catcher, first baseman, second baseman, shortstop, right fielder, and left fielder, all put together. And he still has upside potential. It is his second year. Yeah he has started more games then the rest of the OF combined, but he is by no means a vet. I know it's just his second year. He's a vet compared to the rest of the team. And he's started more games than the rest of outfield AND infield combined, with the exception of Cabrera. Two years doesn't make you a veteran. He's more experienced but, like someone else already said, by no means is he a veteran.
March 25, 200620 yr the astros have a couple of other guys they like even more that are a year or two away for center field. god Das Biggio looks so young there Who can believe Avery, Smoltz, Griffey JR and Biggio, Bagwell all came out then in that Upper deck set lol. I remember when Avery was the big thing lol
March 25, 200620 yr i like Taveras i'd much rather have him than someone like Gathright. If the Devil Dogs are asking for two top tier pitching prospects they are out of their mind
March 25, 200620 yr Two years doesn't make you a veteran. Except in comparison to the rest of the team. At least he's played 1 whole season. He actually played 152 games in one year. We have starters that haven't played one whole inning! We have NO starters that have played anything close to even 1/2 of one season, except for Cabrera! We have some interesting prospects. But none of them have ever experienced what it's like to play the marathon of an entire 162 game season. Tavares has done this. Even though it's just one. And the starters are considered the strong point on this young team. Don't get me started on the great potential but horribly MLB inexperienced pitching and the challenge they'll face when they get extended into trying to pitch 6-7 innings....against real major leaguers....and having to throw over 100 innings in a season for the first time, against major league teams. And the pitching is most important.
March 25, 200620 yr Now we're talking! Taveras is a stud I rather have him on his worse day than Gathright on his best...Taveras is much better with the leather and has a infinitely better arm! Taveras is a much better hitter as well...Make it so! Woah Woah Woah, there partner. I don't think we have seen Gathright on his best day yet. There is no doubt that Tavera's has the talent but don't judge Gathright until you have seen him play everyday for an entire season like Taveras last season. I am still gonna say that I would rather have Taveras over Gathright but only from an experience and outfield arm standpoint but I refuse to compare them as equals until they both are playing everyday at the same levels.
March 25, 200620 yr Tevares can be a potential all-star CF as opposed to Gathright who is struggling to retain a 5TH OF spot on a sh*tty team. I'd rather see what Aguila/Reed/Abercombie than trade anything of value for Gathright. Unless this team is absolutely DYING for a pinch runner, I don't see any reason for him to be on the team even in a fair or bargain trade.
March 25, 200620 yr I don't like neither of the two but if I had to chose I would go with Joey Gathright based on talent, potential, tools. Now, knowing Tampa Bay they will ask for 2 top prospects, which is why I rather give Abercrombie, Reed and Aguila a shot first. I agree - I'd rather go with Gathright than Tavares, and I don't like Gathright at all. I'd rather have neither and let the home grown kids have a shot than give up a high level pitching prospect for either one.
March 25, 200620 yr Tevares can be a potential all-star CF as opposed to Gathright who is struggling to retain a 5TH OF spot on a sh*tty team. I'd rather see what Aguila/Reed/Abercombie than trade anything of value for Gathright. Unless this team is absolutely DYING for a pinch runner, I don't see any reason for him to be on the team even in a fair or bargain trade. The Drays may be a crappy team, but you'd be a fool not to realize that they have a lot of talent offensively. its just pitching and maybe one truly great middle order presence that keeps them from being good.
March 25, 200620 yr Now we're talking! Taveras is a stud I rather have him on his worse day than Gathright on his best...Taveras is much better with the leather and has a infinitely better arm! Taveras is a much better hitter as well...Make it so! Woah Woah Woah, there partner. I don't think we have seen Gathright on his best day yet. There is no doubt that Tavera's has the talent but don't judge Gathright until you have seen him play everyday for an entire season like Taveras last season. I am still gonna say that I would rather have Taveras over Gathright but only from an experience and outfield arm standpoint but I refuse to compare them as equals until they both are playing everyday at the same levels. Gathright was the starter last year for Tampa when Baldelli got injured...so they both have had equal chances of showing their wares (Taveras was 2nd in ROY voting and Gathright...well barely started hearing about him til his name was tossed together with Scott Olsen) I just feel Taveras is a very exciting player who has more tools than Gathright. Gathright maybe faster but at this moment Taveras is by far the better player
March 25, 200620 yr Taveras 21, A, 397 AB, .282/.381/.350, 57 SB (82%), 52/68 BB/K, Extra base hits 17 22, AA, 409 AB, .335/.402/.386, 55 SB (83%), 38/76 BB/K, Extra base hits 16 23 MLB, 592 AB, .291/.325/.341, 34 SB (75%), 25/103 BB/K, Extra base hits 20 Gathright 22, A/AA, 425 AB, .334/.399/.365, 69 SB (81%), 46/69 BB/K, Extra base hits 10 23, AA/AAA/MLB, 414 AB, .321/.370/.365, 49 SB (71%), 32/90 BB/K, Extra base hits 16 24, AAA/MLB, 429 AB, .291/.350/.378, 51 SB (79%), 39/86 BB/K, Extra base hits 26 I like how Gathright is keeping his BB/K relatively the same through levels, his average is decent, and how he is hitting more extra base hits with less batting average. That's really showing an emergence of gap power. Also his ridiculous SB quantity and excellent percentage. I don't like how the average is declining, and wonder if he is trying to pull the ball more to get those extra base hits versus just trying to hit the ball. I like Taveras' defense (which is an upgrade over Joey), and how his average and SB quantity/percentage are both pretty decent, but I don't like the substantial drop in his BB/K and zero progress in hitting for power. Unless Taveras reverses his three year trend on plate discipline, he's nothing more then a 7/8 hitter offensively, but still a good ballplayer considering the D. He's also reached the bigs full time 2 years younger then Gathright. Has more time to improve, if he's going to. I think Gathright exhibits more offensive upside with BB, SLUG, and SB abilities, and should be an adequete defender even if he's not a superstar, but who knows if the whole package materializes. Likewise, if Taveras BB/K trend continues another year, he won't be a starting player and only a 5th OF for speed/defense. Youth is in his favor though. I think each player is a serious upgrade for the Marlins, but I'd be reluctant to move anything more then Johnson or Nolasco 1-1 for them. I don't know if that seals the deal for either though. I'd prefer Gathright because I'd imagine him costing 'less' based on MLB experience, and my opinion he can top out higher if everything goes right, but who knows with Tampa and their delusional kazmiritis. Tevares can be a potential all-star CF as opposed to Gathright who is struggling to retain a 5TH OF spot on a sh*tty team. uh, no.
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