:thumbup Dan Uggla's performance so far this season will rekindle Rule 5 draft interest throughout baseball in 2007. Look for more teams to start dipping into the pool of unrecognized talent.

 

:thumbdown Matt Herges knows the handwriting is on the wall.

 

:thumbdown Randy Messenger will never be a major league pitcher until he stops representin' the gangsta thang.

 

:mischief2 Beinfest, don't wait until the all-star break to start trading for bonafide relievers. Your team could be over .500 or at least approaching it if they had a decent bullpen. Too many guys are playing too well to not make the right moves.

 

:thumbup Good move Joe sending Vargas down.

 

:thumbdown Todd Wellemeyer, see Matt Herges above. And if you think Franklyn German is the answer, think again.

That's what kills me about this team. We would be so much better if the team had spent some money on decent relievers and not guys like Matt Herges and Todd Wellemeyer.

 

:lol at Messenger. Bend the damn bill!

That is the truth.

Herges is terrible. As for Wellmeyer, how can a guy who has tools like physical make-up and a good fastball be so bad. He has absolutely no control. Incredible

:thumbup .

I agree that Uggla has been doing pretty good. Hopefully he will keep it up all year.

 

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I agree that Herges stinks. Half of our bullpen is made of rejects. Messy seems like he has the stuff to be a good relief guy but he is very inconsistant. One day he is lights out and the next day they light him up like a Christmas Tree.

:mischief2 Beinfest, don't wait until the all-star break to start trading for bonafide relievers. Your team could be over .500 or at least approaching it if they had a decent bullpen. Too many guys are playing too well to not make the right moves.

 

The Marlins are second in the league behind only Houston in runs scored in the first and second innings. Then, like clock work, they let team XYZ climb back into it and take the lead. Braves last night, Pirates on Friday etc. etc.

:mischief2 Beinfest, don't wait until the all-star break to start trading for bonafide relievers. Your team could be over .500 or at least approaching it if they had a decent bullpen. Too many guys are playing too well to not make the right moves.

 

The Marlins are second in the league behind only Houston in runs scored in the first and second innings. Then, like clock work, they let team XYZ climb back into it and take the lead. Braves last night, Pirates on Friday etc. etc.

 

Yep. Like I said in the game threads we let the other team back in it. We needed to add on a few runs in the middle of the game. If the game would have been 7-0 we probably would have won it.

Did they call Resop back up to the show yet? I wouldnt mind seeing him get some time and a shot in the bullpen.

NO Resop is still in AAA..........just getting in his innings and being a team player trying to get back to the show

:mischief2 Beinfest, don't wait until the all-star break to start trading for bonafide relievers. Your team could be over .500 or at least approaching it if they had a decent bullpen. Too many guys are playing too well to not make the right moves.

 

 

Isn't that sad? Our young guys are playing so well on the offensive side of the ball, only to see us keep losing games.

agreed on all counts 2003. :thumbup

 

A lot of the blame is on the starters & their inability to pitch deep into games, but that is to be expected from rookie pitchers. A solid bullpen is something Beinfest should've seen the need for.

 

When Carlos Martinez returns from the DL (hopefully next month) he can hopefully be a major piece to this bullpen.

 

Also once Mitre returns, either he or Nolasco goes to the pen - either of which is a plus.

 

I'd like to see Petit and Pinto get some appearances soon too. It's not like they've got to "move up the ladder" or anything. Throw 'em out there.

 

Unless we go out & pick up a reliever from around the league, then at some point next month I'm hoping it's: Borowski, Martinez, Pinto, Petit, Mitre, Kensing/German/Resop.

I am loooking forward to seeing K-Mart out of the pen again, but I hope we're careful with him. He certainly has a special arm. We don't want to do something foolish and injure him.

Herges has to go....

 

 

Carlyle, Clontz, Yourkin, Tankersley are all better options....

 

heck move Moe to the pen, dump Herges, and recall another youngster like Anibel Sanchez.

How's this for a new thought. Has anyone considered the thought that we may have a problem at the catcher position that has played its part in the deficiency of the pitching staff (especially the bullpen). If you wonder, just consider what is happening to Willis and what happened to Vargas. They were okay last year with LoDuca and Willis is having his worst start in his young career (he worked with IRod & Redmond too).

 

I say along with getting rid of some of the dead weight in the pitching staff, we need to consider looking for another catcher. Olivo appears to be below average in defense and he really isn't a bat of significance. Overall, he a warm-body, career backup that will bounce between MLB and the minors. With the offense that we seem to have so far, I think we can survive with a very good defensive catcher with not much of a bat. I certainly don't mind having a "Mendoza Line" hitting catcher that gets the most out his pitchers. I'm sure that they can find one in the minors somewhere.

 

Just a thought.

The catcher doesn't make the final call. It's the pitchers.

I agree Olivo is not a starting calibrer catcher even on a rebuilding team, but if the FO and coaching staff wont even give Willingham a shot at the position he was groomed at for what...the last 3 year? And wont even give Treanor significant time, theres little chance they will dump him because just like Herges...theres a big woody for Olivo for some reason.

Olivo has proven to be more than capable. I don't know what you all are smoking.

Herges, Wellemeyer, etc. are fungible veteran options. Even if terrible, they serve a role. I wish they would be league average or better. But alas, I am waiting until they get pushed aside by better arms that fit the franchise.

 

 

I really like the decision to send Vargas down. Not because he's a bad pitcher or needed to be punished, but mainly it shows that a player will be held accountable for his actions on the field even in a rebuilding year.

This bullpen is killing us, but so is our manager. These rookie mistakes by Giardi are getting old.

Herges, Wellemeyer, etc. are fungible veteran options. Even if terrible, they serve a role. I wish they would be league average or better. But alas, I am waiting until they get pushed aside by better arms that fit the franchise.

 

 

I really like the decision to send Vargas down. Not because he's a bad pitcher or needed to be punished, but mainly it shows that a player will be held accountable for his actions on the field even in a rebuilding year.

 

 

Where did Ligtenberg end up? He's pretty fungible as well.

 

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Herges, Wellemeyer, etc. are fungible veteran options. Even if terrible, they serve a role. I wish they would be league average or better. But alas, I am waiting until they get pushed aside by better arms that fit the franchise.

 

 

I really like the decision to send Vargas down. Not because he's a bad pitcher or needed to be punished, but mainly it shows that a player will be held accountable for his actions on the field even in a rebuilding year.

 

 

Where did Ligtenberg end up? He's pretty fungible as well.

 

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Last time I checked he was out of baseball.

Herges, Wellemeyer, etc. are fungible veteran options. Even if terrible, they serve a role. I wish they would be league average or better. But alas, I am waiting until they get pushed aside by better arms that fit the franchise.

 

 

I really like the decision to send Vargas down. Not because he's a bad pitcher or needed to be punished, but mainly it shows that a player will be held accountable for his actions on the field even in a rebuilding year.

 

 

Where did Ligtenberg end up? He's pretty fungible as well.

 

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He's playing in Iowa for the Cubs' AAA affiliate.

Olivo has proven to be more than capable. I don't know what you all are smoking.

 

 

He's not a good hitter and despite a strong throwing arm is not good defensively either.

Well since Ligtenberg isn't an option...any thoughts on Joe Horgan?

 

I noticed he's pitching with 'Topes. He's a lefty reliever who had a decent amount of success with the Nationals a year or so ago. Can he throw strikes???

 

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agreed on all counts 2003. :thumbup

 

A lot of the blame is on the starters & their inability to pitch deep into games, but that is to be expected from rookie pitchers. A solid bullpen is something Beinfest should've seen the need for.

 

When Carlos Martinez returns from the DL (hopefully next month) he can hopefully be a major piece to this bullpen.

 

Also once Mitre returns, either he or Nolasco goes to the pen - either of which is a plus.

 

I'd like to see Petit and Pinto get some appearances soon too. It's not like they've got to "move up the ladder" or anything. Throw 'em out there.

 

Unless we go out & pick up a reliever from around the league, then at some point next month I'm hoping it's: Borowski, Martinez, Pinto, Petit, Mitre, Kensing/German/Resop.

 

 

Guys we're missing a point. Beinfest may have seen that he needed a bullpen. But because of the $$$ orders that Loria gave him, he had to go with what he could afford and cross his fingers that it would work, and that the younger guys would "outperform" their present (non) experience. It hasn't happened, and his gamble lost. It worked in 2003 but not now -- can't win 'em all. :confused

 

I agree Olivo is not a starting calibrer catcher even on a rebuilding team, but if the FO and coaching staff wont even give Willingham a shot at the position he was groomed at for what...the last 3 year? And wont even give Treanor significant time, theres little chance they will dump him because just like Herges...theres a big woody for Olivo for some reason.

 

 

I agree I don't understand why the need to play Olivo so much and to not let Willingham catch at all. Maybe they are trying to save Hammers knees ?

How's this for a new thought. Has anyone considered the thought that we may have a problem at the catcher position that has played its part in the deficiency of the pitching staff (especially the bullpen). If you wonder, just consider what is happening to Willis and what happened to Vargas. They were okay last year with LoDuca and Willis is having his worst start in his young career (he worked with IRod & Redmond too).

 

I say along with getting rid of some of the dead weight in the pitching staff, we need to consider looking for another catcher. Olivo appears to be below average in defense and he really isn't a bat of significance. Overall, he a warm-body, career backup that will bounce between MLB and the minors. With the offense that we seem to have so far, I think we can survive with a very good defensive catcher with not much of a bat. I certainly don't mind having a "Mendoza Line" hitting catcher that gets the most out his pitchers. I'm sure that they can find one in the minors somewhere.

 

Just a thought.

 

 

 

Olivo below average in defense????

 

How long have you been addicted to crack?

 

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