Every dam thread I open I read "Why Joe Why?" and its startng to get a little old. Im sure most of us here are die-heart fans and knew this wasn't going to be an easy year... What I dont get is WTF is everyone coming down on Joe? This man does not throw the dam pitches, he doesn't commit the errors, he doesn't give up the walk-off jacks!

 

Yea he calls on Herges, Borowski, Kensing... but he doesn't have much of a choice down there! What is the guy suppose to do to not get ripped? Win 100 games with this team? Please...

 

"For the fourth time in five days, the Marlins have watched a ninth-inning lead disappear in games that were lost." "The Marlins have now done it from May 16-20. In three of those situations, the game was decided by a walk-off homer: Branyan, Aubrey Huff (Friday) and Chipper Jones (Wednesday)."

 

Messenger gives it up on Thurs to Jones, so on Fri Joe calls on Borowski, He gives it up on Fri, so Joe calls on Kensing on Sat. What do you know Logan gives it up! NOTHING WRONG with Joe's decison... No one in that damn bullpen wants the ball in the 9th...

 

So that's that, just an opinion of mine, I think Joe needs to be cut some slack... You can put Cox, Torre, Larussa to manage this team and they still wouldnt be able to get sh*t out of that bullpen period!

 

I'm sure I will get some responses to this which Im glad because I want to see who agree's and disagree's with me...

It's not Joe's fault we have a crappy bullpen.

Totally agree with what you said, it's not his fault everyone has blown a game.

 

I think we only have one solution left: Herges for closer. :plain

can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t no matter how much mayonnaise you put in it.....

Hey Fish for life, your 1 week late. We had Joe complainer because Joe did some move like leaving your SP when until 7 runs score or using Herge everyday and never argue. He has now improve. The SP well, it really the SP that has improve, Joe finally proves he can argue, and he finally experiment with the bullpen. So he improve from a D ranking to a C.

Every dam thread I open I read "Why Joe Why?" and its startng to get a little old. Im sure most of us here are die-heart fans and knew this wasn't going to be an easy year... What I dont get is WTF is everyone coming down on Joe? This man does not throw the dam pitches, he doesn't commit the errors, he doesn't give up the walk-off jacks!

 

Yea he calls on Herges, Borowski, Kensing... but he doesn't have much of a choice down there! What is the guy suppose to do to not get ripped? Win 100 games with this team? Please...

 

"For the fourth time in five days, the Marlins have watched a ninth-inning lead disappear in games that were lost." "The Marlins have now done it from May 16-20. In three of those situations, the game was decided by a walk-off homer: Branyan, Aubrey Huff (Friday) and Chipper Jones (Wednesday)."

 

Messenger gives it up on Thurs to Jones, so on Fri Joe calls on Borowski, He gives it up on Fri, so Joe calls on Kensing on Sat. What do you know Logan gives it up! NOTHING WRONG with Joe's decison... No one in that damn bullpen wants the ball in the 9th...

 

So that's that, just an opinion of mine, I think Joe needs to be cut some slack... You can put Cox, Torre, Larussa to manage this team and they still wouldnt be able to get sh*t out of that bullpen period!

 

I'm sure I will get some responses to this which Im glad because I want to see who agree's and disagree's with me...

 

 

No. Joe doesn't actually blow the ball game. The pitcher does BUT he's the guy that picks which pitcher will come into the game. I had this weird thought last night....is he being paid by the the other team to lose? I am just kidding but heck I'm looking for any excuse why this happens so much!!!!!!!! :blink:

Joe is doing the best he can with what he has got. I give him credit for keeping the players hopes up.

those things aren't joes fault... but imagine if we had Jim Leyland back this season. god damn that would be cool.

So that's that, just an opinion of mine, I think Joe needs to be cut some slack... You can put Cox, Torre, Larussa to manage this team and they still wouldnt be able to get sh*t out of that bullpen period!.....FISH4LIFE

 

I high doubt that. Our record would be better with any of them. Braves barely have better talent than us now yet their record is light years better.

ok...so cox would have known that kensing would get 2 outs then give up a walkoff...so he would have pulled kensing after two outs....cox is a great manager but he aint no miss cleo.........give joe a break...ohh and wmm2003 do you have anything positive to say about this team

ok...so cox would have known that kensing would get 2 outs then give up a walkoff...so he would have pulled kensing after two outs....cox is a great manager but he aint no miss cleo.........give joe a break...ohh and wmm2003 do you have anything positive to say about this team

 

 

 

Of course...Hanley, Willy, Cabs, D-Train, Uggla....we have bright spots. How can anyone be happy with the way we are losing now though.

 

I didn't say Cox would know. Cox wouldn't have put a guy like that in that situation. All I said was Cox would have more wins at this point. But who cares, it is what it is....just gotta take our lumps for the next couple of years.

Hey Fish for life, your 1 week late. We had Joe complainer because Joe did some move like leaving your SP when until 7 runs score or using Herge everyday and never argue. He has now improve. The SP well, it really the SP that has improve, Joe finally proves he can argue, and he finally experiment with the bullpen. So he improve from a D ranking to a C.

 

 

Well if your going to be pissed at Joe about that, then you might as well give sh*t to JACK. He did it all the time! Over and Over again he left pitchers in there to late. Not to mention, He has been in the game for who knows how long. Joe has been in the game 15 years as a Pro player, and and this season as a manager. You have to cut the guy some slack.

 

About the arguing, hes learning too... He now nows when to argue and when not to, i'll bet money on it.

 

ok...so cox would have known that kensing would get 2 outs then give up a walkoff...so he would have pulled kensing after two outs....cox is a great manager but he aint no miss cleo.........give joe a break...ohh and wmm2003 do you have anything positive to say about this team

 

 

Totally agree, Baseball is a weird sport, sh*t like walk-offs homer. THe Manager as no control over that!! Wmm2003 Im sure you can manage this team to a 90 win season with all you positive notes..

Hey Fish for life, your 1 week late. We had Joe complainer because Joe did some move like leaving your SP when until 7 runs score or using Herge everyday and never argue. He has now improve. The SP well, it really the SP that has improve, Joe finally proves he can argue, and he finally experiment with the bullpen. So he improve from a D ranking to a C.

 

 

 

Huh?

I didn't say Cox would know. Cox wouldn't have put a guy like that in that situation. All I said was Cox would have more wins at this point. But who cares, it is what it is....just gotta take our lumps for the next couple of years.

 

 

 

Who would Cox have put in? There is nobody currently in the bullpen who has proven to dependable, especially in a role with no margin for error. Just because Cox is managing doesn't mean the pitchers will perform any better.

it may not be Girarid's fault that this team blows, but he himself sucks too.

it may not be Girarid's fault that this team blows, but he himself sucks too.

 

 

Chickeman back to his normal useless comments :plain :lol

it may not be Girarid's fault that this team blows, but he himself sucks too.

 

 

Chickeman back to his normal useless comments :plain :lol

 

 

sorry man, just frustrated. nobody likes the chickenman I guess. At least I'm better than that Fsu fishfan guy, all he did was talk about Neil Rogers.

This is not the right team for Joe's 1st coaching job.....this is more of a job for an entrenched coach.....Joe's doin the best he can with what he has...I can't be angry at him

you are damned if you do and damned if you dont.

 

 

 

Joe has nobody he can depend on in the ninth, you cant put that on him, he has tried virtually everyone down there.

 

 

The only options he hasnt used are even worse and we all know that.

 

 

Watch the first seven innings then go out and have a cold drink. Its good therapy.

I feel bad watching Joe storm off into the clubhouse when the bullpen loses the game in the 9th...

This is my first post on this forum, I have been watching the Marlins since the begining of this season, you might say I have personal reasons. I think Joe is the perfect manager for this team. He is young, he has patience, he is not far removed from his playing days, as frustrating as this season has been, the one thing he will do with this team is develope them. Thats what you should all want to see happen. Yes there has been plenty of blame to go aroung, but you know what Joe is going to make winners of these guys you just

waite and see!!!

Just my observation!!!

To all the Joe "apologists"...do you think he is doing a GOOD job? As in, if we somehow had a different manager since the start of the season, would we have a worse record? Or, would our players "develop" at a slower/worse rate?

 

You cannot blame Girardi for the failings of the bullpen (of late). Girardi has shown these past few games that he is willing to try anyone in the closer's role, to see if we can solve this problem.

 

However, it took him a month to figure out that our young pitchers are just as well suited (ill-suited) for late inning/closer roles as are our veterans - who were cast-aside by some of the worst bullpens in MLB. And, Girardi has made some questionable decisions since the start of the season that begs the question of whether he is cut out for managing this team.

 

On the positive side, his patience with Abercrombie has seemed to paid off...and we now have a serviceable CFer. That is definitely a decision that I did not agree with, but has paid off. Also, he stuck with Jacobs in situations that I did not agree with either, but that has also worked out for the Fish. However, is it really Girardi's decision to stick with these players, when we have NO viable options to replace them?

 

IMO, it is not enough to simply start a thread to excuse Girardi's managerial skills (or lack thereof) by pointing out that our team is so bad that he could do nothing to mitigate the damage. What is Girardi doing right?? What has given anyone the impression that he is the right manager for a young/developing team, or even the right manager for a team on the verge on contending? I cannot remember another team having a young manager that needed this long of a learning curve. Either you can manage, or you can't. The time and patience we give to Jacobs, Abercrombie, etc. should not apply to our manager.

 

Unlike many on this board, I will not feign ignorance of what is plainly obvious. How many other teams would trade their manager for ours? If my observation is premature, how many months need to pass before we can assess Girardi's managerial skills? I am not trying to needlessly bash Girardi. I respect his class in handling a situation that was probably not the same one he signed up for. Also, I think he has clearly improved in his handling of the team, at least offensively, the last few weeks. But, is this enough?

patience is a virtue

To all the Joe "apologists"...do you think he is doing a GOOD job? As in, if we somehow had a different manager since the start of the season, would we have a worse record? Or, would our players "develop" at a slower/worse rate?

 

You cannot blame Girardi for the failings of the bullpen (of late). Girardi has shown these past few games that he is willing to try anyone in the closer's role, to see if we can solve this problem.

 

However, it took him a month to figure out that our young pitchers are just as well suited (ill-suited) for late inning/closer roles as are our veterans - who were cast-aside by some of the worst bullpens in MLB. And, Girardi has made some questionable decisions since the start of the season that begs the question of whether he is cut out for managing this team.

 

On the positive side, his patience with Abercrombie has seemed to paid off...and we now have a serviceable CFer. That is definitely a decision that I did not agree with, but has paid off. Also, he stuck with Jacobs in situations that I did not agree with either, but that has also worked out for the Fish. However, is it really Girardi's decision to stick with these players, when we have NO viable options to replace them?

 

IMO, it is not enough to simply start a thread to excuse Girardi's managerial skills (or lack thereof) by pointing out that our team is so bad that he could do nothing to mitigate the damage. What is Girardi doing right?? What has given anyone the impression that he is the right manager for a young/developing team, or even the right manager for a team on the verge on contending? I cannot remember another team having a young manager that needed this long of a learning curve. Either you can manage, or you can't. The time and patience we give to Jacobs, Abercrombie, etc. should not apply to our manager.

 

Unlike many on this board, I will not feign ignorance of what is plainly obvious. How many other teams would trade their manager for ours? If my observation is premature, how many months need to pass before we can assess Girardi's managerial skills? I am not trying to needlessly bash Girardi. I respect his class in handling a situation that was probably not the same one he signed up for. Also, I think he has clearly improved in his handling of the team, at least offensively, the last few weeks. But, is this enough?

 

 

 

And again your singing the same old tune.

 

You bash Girardi for the shortcomings of the team (bullpen decisions) and in the same breath you dont give him credit for ANYTHING good that has happened (Reggie, Jacobs return).

 

You cant remember another team having a young manager that needed this long of a learning curve????

Of course you cant, because you cant remember another team with a 15 MILLION DOLLAR PAYROLL.

 

If you think we would have won all those close games early on if Girardi brought in the dynamic duo of Kensing/Messenger in as opposed to Herges than your just fooling yourself.

 

The whole blame the manager approach is weak. Especially under these circumstances. I wonder how angered you would be if he was actually fielding a bona fide Major League ballclub.

Every dam thread I open I read "Why Joe Why?" and its startng to get a little old. Im sure most of us here are die-heart fans and knew this wasn't going to be an easy year... What I dont get is WTF is everyone coming down on Joe? This man does not throw the dam pitches, he doesn't commit the errors, he doesn't give up the walk-off jacks!

 

Yea he calls on Herges, Borowski, Kensing... but he doesn't have much of a choice down there! What is the guy suppose to do to not get ripped? Win 100 games with this team? Please...

 

"For the fourth time in five days, the Marlins have watched a ninth-inning lead disappear in games that were lost." "The Marlins have now done it from May 16-20. In three of those situations, the game was decided by a walk-off homer: Branyan, Aubrey Huff (Friday) and Chipper Jones (Wednesday)."

 

Messenger gives it up on Thurs to Jones, so on Fri Joe calls on Borowski, He gives it up on Fri, so Joe calls on Kensing on Sat. What do you know Logan gives it up! NOTHING WRONG with Joe's decison... No one in that damn bullpen wants the ball in the 9th...

 

So that's that, just an opinion of mine, I think Joe needs to be cut some slack... You can put Cox, Torre, Larussa to manage this team and they still wouldnt be able to get sh*t out of that bullpen period!

 

I'm sure I will get some responses to this which Im glad because I want to see who agree's and disagree's with me...

 

 

:notworthy

 

You people should leave Joe alone. :mad He's learning too.