I will say I'd rather keep Beinfest and his scouts han Girardi and his coaches.

I'd say it shouldn't be a choice between Beinfest or Giraldi. If my back was against the wall and I had to choose one it wiould be Beinfest, but I'd prefer to keep both. Lorioa and FO have misplayed this one like a grounder to Hanley in April.

I will say I'd rather keep Beinfest and his scouts han Girardi and his coaches.

 

 

I'd say the hell with all of them if it meant getting an owner who doesn't actively try to screw up any good thing around the franchise.

Beinfest = Best GM in MLB

I will say I'd rather keep Beinfest and his scouts han Girardi and his coaches.

 

Yep. The interesting thing is that if Girardi leaves, does anyone think Loria will retain his staff? This Loria/Girardi rift could mean that none of the staff returns (they might not want to anyway). We might have to start all over here.

I will say I'd rather keep Beinfest and his scouts han Girardi and his coaches.

 

Yep. The interesting thing is that if Girardi leaves, does anyone think Loria will retain his staff? This Loria/Girardi rift could mean that none of the staff returns (they might not want to anyway). We might have to start all over here.

 

And you really think someone's going to want to come to a job where the should be manager of the year is fired?

 

Ooooooooh boy.

Unfortunately, the "never played " or "couldn't make the high school team" crowd seems to predominate here. Therefore, you have all the "give Beinfest and the FO all the credit" comments.

 

In fact, a manager can have a huge impact on a team, as Girardi clearly has, for the better, here. Of course talent matters, and the FO, scouts, and the GM deserve some credit. But studies have shown that few FOs outperform the average in drafting and trading for players. Beinfest is no exception; any other GM in baseball would have made similar moves and maybe, through luck, better ones. All you are seeing now in the talent depatment is luck; no one knew the team would do this well, including Beinfest. And no one knows if they will continue to do well into September. Or if they are having career years and will crash and burn soon, or next year. As it is, with the career years, they are long shots for the playoffs. So much for the FO contributuion.

 

But once the talent is hired, someone has to motivate, educate and inspire them. This is what Girardi has been doing superbly. Someone also has to make the right lineup, try to engineer the right matchups, set the pitching rotation, etc. If that had been done poorly, the success you see on the field may not have materialized. But again, Girardi has performed superbly. Probably the least impoprtant part of what he does is "in game management," i.e., deciding when to steal, hit and run, bunt, pitch out, intentionally walk, pinch hit, bring in a reliever, etc. That's because there just aren't that many choices in most situations. Joe has made a few calls I disagreed with, but they all were arguable, and were argued passionately on this Board. He is a leading manager of the year candidate for a reason, it's just that some people on this Board don't really understand the game well enough to see his impact. But those who do know appreciate his skills, and agree he is one of the top young managerial prospects in baseball. If we lose him, teams will be lining up to hire him.

I will say I'd rather keep Beinfest and his scouts han Girardi and his coaches.

 

Yep. The interesting thing is that if Girardi leaves, does anyone think Loria will retain his staff? This Loria/Girardi rift could mean that none of the staff returns (they might not want to anyway). We might have to start all over here.

 

 

Perry Hill, the most important coach on this team, has no tie to Giradi so I would assume he would stay. His roots are in South Florida.

 

 

 

I will say I'd rather keep Beinfest and his scouts han Girardi and his coaches.

 

Yep. The interesting thing is that if Girardi leaves, does anyone think Loria will retain his staff? This Loria/Girardi rift could mean that none of the staff returns (they might not want to anyway). We might have to start all over here.

 

And you really think someone's going to want to come to a job where the should be manager of the year is fired?

 

Ooooooooh boy.

 

 

Do you really believe Fredi Gonzalez would turn down the Florida Marlins manager job ???

Beinfest = Best GM in MLB

 

Yep. All of his fire-sale trades are looking pretty good right now. With the exception fo the DLee deal (which I understand had to be made), I can't think of any deals during his reign as GM that haven't worked out for us...and some have been outright larceny (D-Train...the JP deal, etc.).

I will say I'd rather keep Beinfest and his scouts han Girardi and his coaches.

 

Yep. The interesting thing is that if Girardi leaves, does anyone think Loria will retain his staff? This Loria/Girardi rift could mean that none of the staff returns (they might not want to anyway). We might have to start all over here.

 

And you really think someone's going to want to come to a job where the should be manager of the year is fired?

 

Ooooooooh boy.

 

 

 

Your barking up the wrong tree with this crew TSwift.

 

Ive got advanced Carpel Tunnel (sp?) from trying to defend Girardi and highlight the madness thats going on.

I will say I'd rather keep Beinfest and his scouts han Girardi and his coaches.

 

Yep. The interesting thing is that if Girardi leaves, does anyone think Loria will retain his staff? This Loria/Girardi rift could mean that none of the staff returns (they might not want to anyway). We might have to start all over here.

 

And you really think someone's going to want to come to a job where the should be manager of the year is fired?

 

Ooooooooh boy.

Actually, I think it'll be the most desired vacancy in MLB. The expectations will be low (everyone nationally will credit Girardi for our play), and, with a few key additions in the off-season, we should be bona-fide wild card contenders.

Unfortunately, the "never played " or "couldn't make the high school team" crowd seems to predominate here. Therefore, you have all the "give Beinfest and the FO all the credit" comments.

 

In fact, a manager can have a huge impact on a team, as Girardi clearly has, for the better, here. Of course talent matters, and the FO, scouts, and the GM deserve some credit. But studies have shown that few FOs outperform the average in drafting and trading for players. Beinfest is no exception; any other GM in baseball would have made similar moves and maybe, through luck, better ones. All you are seeing now in the talent depatment is luck; no one knew the team would do this well, including Beinfest. And no one knows if they will continue to do well into September. Or if they are having career years and will crash and burn soon, or next year. As it is, with the career years, they are long shots for the playoffs. So much for the FO contributuion.

 

But once the talent is hired, someone has to motivate, educate and inspire them. This is what Girardi has been doing superbly. Someone also has to make the right lineup, try to engineer the right matchups, set the pitching rotation, etc. If that had been done poorly, the success you see on the field may not have materialized. But again, Girardi has performed superbly. Probably the least impoprtant part of what he does is "in game management," i.e., deciding when to steal, hit and run, bunt, pitch out, intentionally walk, pinch hit, bring in a reliever, etc. That's because there just aren't that many choices in most situations. Joe has made a few calls I disagreed with, but they all were arguable, and were argued passionately on this Board. He is a leading manager of the year candidate for a reason, it's just that some people on this Board don't really understand the game well enough to see his impact. But those who do know appreciate his skills, and agree he is one of the top young managerial prospects in baseball. If we lose him, teams will be lining up to hire him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ive been singing this song for 3 months.

 

Its a lost cause.

 

 

Good post though.

I will say I'd rather keep Beinfest and his scouts han Girardi and his coaches.

 

Yep. The interesting thing is that if Girardi leaves, does anyone think Loria will retain his staff? This Loria/Girardi rift could mean that none of the staff returns (they might not want to anyway). We might have to start all over here.

 

And you really think someone's going to want to come to a job where the should be manager of the year is fired?

 

Ooooooooh boy.

Actually, I think it'll be the most desired vacancy in MLB. The expectations will be low (everyone nationally will credit Girardi for our play), and, with a few key additions in the off-season, we should be bona-fide wild card contenders.

 

In the 5 years of Loria's reign of terror, we'll have gone through 3 managers (Torborg, McKeon, Girardi).

 

All of whom were forced out.

 

Does anyone want that?

 

At least with Steinbrenner's manipulation he puts his money where his mouth is. Loria's a piece of sh*t who actively screws up EVERYTHING that this team has had in terms of good vibrations throughout his existence.

 

He burned bridges with Floyd, ran Lee out of town for .10 cents on the dollar, refused to bend a little to bring back Pudge, began talking about how the '05 team couldn't afford it's players almost immediately after opening day, berates the stadium at every opportunity as not fit for baseball yet stamps his feet when people don't show up, and then calls the fan-base into question and places them at blame for contracts he negotiated as owner and immediately decided he could no longer afford.

 

Now he's firing the manager of the year?

 

Whoop dee f***ing doo. I'd want nothing to do with this team if I had a choice as a player or manager.

 

Hell, it's embarassing to be a fan of them with Loria doing what he's doing.

I will say I'd rather keep Beinfest and his scouts han Girardi and his coaches.

 

Yep. The interesting thing is that if Girardi leaves, does anyone think Loria will retain his staff? This Loria/Girardi rift could mean that none of the staff returns (they might not want to anyway). We might have to start all over here.

 

And you really think someone's going to want to come to a job where the should be manager of the year is fired?

 

Ooooooooh boy.

Actually, I think it'll be the most desired vacancy in MLB. The expectations will be low (everyone nationally will credit Girardi for our play), and, with a few key additions in the off-season, we should be bona-fide wild card contenders.

 

In the 5 years of Loria's reign of terror, we'll have gone through 3 managers (Torborg, McKeon, Girardi).

 

All of whom were forced out.

 

Does anyone want that?

 

At least with Steinbrenner's manipulation he puts his money where his mouth is. Loria's a piece of sh*t who actively screws up EVERYTHING that this team has had in terms of good vibrations throughout his existence.

 

He burned bridges with Floyd, ran Lee out of town for .10 cents on the dollar, refused to bend a little to bring back Pudge, began talking about how the '05 team couldn't afford it's players almost immediately after opening day, berates the stadium at every opportunity as not fit for baseball yet stamps his feet when people don't show up, and then calls the fan-base into question and places them at blame for contracts he negotiated as owner and immediately decided he could no longer afford.

 

Now he's firing the manager of the year?

 

Whoop dee f***ing doo. I'd want nothing to do with this team if I had a choice as a player or manager.

 

Hell, it's embarassing to be a fan of them with Loria doing what he's doing.

I'm not a Loria fan either...your "reign of terror" line is too funny. But, I still think we'll have NO trouble replacing Girardi with a high quality manager.

In the 5 years of Loria's reign of terror, we'll have gone through 3 managers (Torborg, McKeon, Girardi).

 

All of whom were forced out.

 

Does anyone want that?

 

 

wow wow wow hold on

 

1) torborg and arnsberg were two of the reasons the 2002-early 2003 crew underachieved so much. after he was fired the 2003 team put it together with mckeon.

 

2) loria reportedly SAVED mckeon's job. beinfest and the fo wanted to fire him midway through the season last year remember?

 

but lets twist facts to join the loria bash party.

In the 5 years of Loria's reign of terror, we'll have gone through 3 managers (Torborg, McKeon, Girardi).

All of whom were forced out.

 

Beinfest was the one that had the biggest problems with Torborg and McKeon, not Loria.

Loria needs to stop being a baby. You are not going to like everyone you work with so deal with it.

Unfortunately, the "never played " or "couldn't make the high school team" crowd seems to predominate here. Therefore, you have all the "give Beinfest and the FO all the credit" comments.

 

In fact, a manager can have a huge impact on a team, as Girardi clearly has, for the better, here. Of course talent matters, and the FO, scouts, and the GM deserve some credit. But studies have shown that few FOs outperform the average in drafting and trading for players. Beinfest is no exception; any other GM in baseball would have made similar moves and maybe, through luck, better ones. All you are seeing now in the talent depatment is luck; no one knew the team would do this well, including Beinfest. And no one knows if they will continue to do well into September. Or if they are having career years and will crash and burn soon, or next year. As it is, with the career years, they are long shots for the playoffs. So much for the FO contributuion.

 

But once the talent is hired, someone has to motivate, educate and inspire them. This is what Girardi has been doing superbly. Someone also has to make the right lineup, try to engineer the right matchups, set the pitching rotation, etc. If that had been done poorly, the success you see on the field may not have materialized. But again, Girardi has performed superbly. Probably the least impoprtant part of what he does is "in game management," i.e., deciding when to steal, hit and run, bunt, pitch out, intentionally walk, pinch hit, bring in a reliever, etc. That's because there just aren't that many choices in most situations. Joe has made a few calls I disagreed with, but they all were arguable, and were argued passionately on this Board. He is a leading manager of the year candidate for a reason, it's just that some people on this Board don't really understand the game well enough to see his impact. But those who do know appreciate his skills, and agree he is one of the top young managerial prospects in baseball. If we lose him, teams will be lining up to hire him.

 

Disagree with your first point. What Beinfest (AND Hill, Fleming, Jennings and the rest) have set out to do has not been attempted many GMs. It is far to easy to call it luck. We have skilled talent advisors. And were involved in many negotiations this offseason. The players we got back had enormous amounts of talent and had succeeded in the high minors. They deserve a lot of credit.

Agree on your second point. The manager is the leader. That's his most important role. Same with the owner of a team. He sets the tone. From reports, many players support Girardi (although no one's picking sides in this fight) and have been motivated by his belief in them.

It's one of 30 jobs, sure there are good candidates that wouldn't touch it.....if they feel that they can afford to wait for something better.....but I have to believe there are plenty of good candidates waiting to get their chance to manage, in any circumstance. This job happens to have some talent, on the team, to work with; a competent GM, scouting staff......again it's a unique job, only 30 like it in baseball.....

I will say I'd rather keep Beinfest and his scouts han Girardi and his coaches.

 

Yep. The interesting thing is that if Girardi leaves, does anyone think Loria will retain his staff? This Loria/Girardi rift could mean that none of the staff returns (they might not want to anyway). We might have to start all over here.

 

And you really think someone's going to want to come to a job where the should be manager of the year is fired?

 

Ooooooooh boy.

People, let me rephrase that, qualified people, would be falling over themselves to get a chance at this job.

Loria needs to stop being a baby. You are not going to like everyone you work with so deal with it.

 

Girardi doesn't work "with" Loria, he works "for" him.

Loria needs to stop being a baby. You are not going to like everyone you work with so deal with it.

 

Girardi doesn't work "with" Loria, he works "for" him.

 

 

I didnt mean work as a job but I meant it as them working together. If that makes sense :lol .

I'll believe the rumors when something actually materializes.

 

Until then, Girardi has said he is committed to the team and has no "out". Loria, regardless of personal feelings, says the focus is on winning on the field.

 

They'll get over it, because it's not up to Girardi and Loria can't be that stupid. If he can get anywhere near the playoffs with a $15 million payroll, he won't screw it up.

 

I don't have issues with Loria not giving Girardi mad props. In terms of personnel, I think there's a lot of people involved in the decision making process, and we've all seen questionable decisions by Girardi on the field, all that on top of well publicized issues. But still, I think that it has all been blown out of proportion.

 

Girardi will be back next season.

I will say I'd rather keep Beinfest and his scouts han Girardi and his coaches.

 

same here. If possible, I'd like to keep both.

ugh again...name a better owner in marlins history than loria has been...its a short list of zero...people should give it a rest, loria has always dished out the money to keep us competitive while he was taking on huge losses...while he might not be the classiest guy in the world, he has done everything we could have asked of him and we are so close to getting a new stadium...who is gonna flip for that? swifty? no...the marlins are a team on the field and off...in front office, in scouting, in the community, they are a team...everyone plays a vital role in making this team and since loria signs the checks, he is at the front of the line when it comes to anything to do with this team