I can't believe half of you guys are so quick to turn on Girardi. Regardless of how much individual talent our players have, this team would have fallen apart and very easily would have met the pre-season expectations without Girardi to keep things together.

 

EVERYONE was praising Girardi for what an amazing job he has done, now all of a sudden over the past few weeks you guys act like Girardi is nothing more than a worthless pawn and he's done nothing noteworthy that another manager couldn't have done, and that is absurd.

 

Nobody is denying that the FO and Beinfest are absolutely brilliant and among the best in pro sports, but you cannot take anything away from Girardi either.

Girardi has grown into a very good manager , at first you could tell he was learning on the job but now he is a seasoned pro . If Loria cant recognize what he has than this just lends more credence to everything we have all heard about him as a person and owner

Girardi certainly deserves a lot of credit. FO doesn't control attitude, and it doesn't control chemistry. Managing in baseball isn't so much X's and O's (though more so in the National League than American), as it is managing personalities. He's done an excellent job managing pitch counts, and keeping these kids focused.

 

Loria certainly has a right to treat this team as his toy, but it won't be good for the fans if he does. He's certainly on pace to being a poorer Steinbrenner.

look, i love girardi as a manager and how he kept the team together...but if he was gone next year, how much do you really think that would stunt the growth of our young players? not much if at all...and the loria hate has got to stop...unless all the loria haters band together and chip in, we arent getting a stadium...with him, we probably do...so unless you are rooting for the marlins to leave, stop the loria hate already...there was a plan here in place and its worked out, you still gotta give some cred to the guy who makes the final decision on everything

Sadly I gotta agree.

 

I can't remember many games that Girardi has won based on his managerial decisions, but I can remember quite a few that he's LOST. This team is loaded with talent and anytime a team plays well the manager looks like a genius (do you really think Ozzie Guillen is a baseball genius just because of last year?)

 

 

 

 

"quite a few that he he's LOST"

 

 

defend that statement

 

How about when he didn't pinch hit for Dontrelle versus the Dodgers when one of the best pinch hitters in the league (Wes Helms) sitting on the bench? And then he leaves Willis in the game after its quite clear Dontrelle has nothing left, as in the inning before, and Willis ends giving up more runs.

 

How about at the beginning of the year when he had guys like Brian Moehler in the starting rotation, guys that had nothing to do with our future, and had young talent like Nolasco and Johnson in the BULLPEN?

 

How about letting Sergio Mitre walk like five strait guys after returning to the team when he clearly WAS NOT ready to pitch.

 

Yeah, the Marlins have been better than expected this year. But I don't think you can credit the manager. The Marlins have more talent than people give them credit for.

I'm neutral on Girardi. Not sure if he is a good club house influence or not, I'm assuming he is. But his in game decision are sometimes very questionable

If we get the stadium it will be all because of Girardi.

Sadly I gotta agree.

 

I can't remember many games that Girardi has won based on his managerial decisions, but I can remember quite a few that he's LOST. This team is loaded with talent and anytime a team plays well the manager looks like a genius (do you really think Ozzie Guillen is a baseball genius just because of last year?)

 

 

 

 

"quite a few that he he's LOST"

 

 

defend that statement

 

How about when he didn't pinch hit for Dontrelle versus the Dodgers when one of the best pinch hitters in the league (Wes Helms) sitting on the bench? And then he leaves Willis in the game after its quite clear Dontrelle has nothing left, as in the inning before, and Willis ends giving up more runs.

 

How about at the beginning of the year when he had guys like Brian Moehler in the starting rotation, guys that had nothing to do with our future, and had young talent like Nolasco and Johnson in the BULLPEN?

 

How about letting Sergio Mitre walk like five strait guys after returning to the team when he clearly WAS NOT ready to pitch.

 

Yeah, the Marlins have been better than expected this year. But I don't think you can credit the manager. The Marlins have more talent than people give them credit for.

 

 

 

 

Not sure why I am even responding to you but.......

 

1) Dontrelle was the hottest hitter in THE GAME that day.

 

2) Maybe Girardi didnt want to throw Nolasco/Johnson (unproven rookies) into the fire.

 

 

And most importantly, how many managers go April-August without making mistakes?

 

 

 

Your right, the Marlins do have more talent than people give them credit for......Girardi included. :thumbup

Your right, the Marlins do have more talent than people give them credit for......Girardi included. :thumbup

 

 

I think they are overachieving as well. Lets see what happens in September

Your right, the Marlins do have more talent than people give them credit for......Girardi included. :thumbup

 

 

I think they are overachieving as well. Lets see what happens in September

 

 

Can't overachieve when you have 5 solid starters....every game gives your team a chance to win.

Your right, the Marlins do have more talent than people give them credit for......Girardi included. :thumbup

 

 

I think they are overachieving as well. Lets see what happens in September

 

 

Can't overachieve when you have 5 solid starters....every game gives your team a chance to win.

5 solid starters, so far yes. Proven? no. Like I said, lets see what happens in September. That's a pretty tough schedule.

Im not a fan of his in game management, but he has still done a fabulous job with this team

Just heard on baseball tonight that they asked Loria about Joe after tonights game and he said "We will sit down after the season is done and talk"

Chemistry doesn't mean jack squat in baseball. When Miguel is at the plate or Dontrelle on the mound, the last thing going through their mind is anything about how well the club gets along. Like Boog Sciambi loves to point out, that 2003 WS team had horrible "chemistry".

I think Girardi has done a terrific job with this team, I might not always agree with some of his decisions, but compared to McKeon, his in-game management is terrific.

 

No matter what your stance on Girardi is though you have to admit that this whole situation makes Loria look awfully childish.

"Skip is doing a great job of keeping us humble and poised," Willis said. "I love the job he is doing."

 

Willis said that after tonight's game... maybe his in game managing hasn't won us games, it's debatable but he's being a solid leader it would seem and that shouldn't be overlooked.

Well, Girardi isn't a horrible manager, but I think its too early to tell if he's a good one.

 

But I don't agree with how Loria is handling the situation either. You hired the guy - either support him or don't. To leave someone twisting in the wind is just ridiculous and I wouldn't blame Girardi for wanting to leave.

"No matter what your stance on Girardi is though you have to admit that this whole situation makes Loria look awfully childish."

 

This is right on point. It is not about the front office, we know Beinfest is the best GM in baseball. For the owner to make comments like he did as this team is overacheiving the way they are and in the middle of the wild card race is unprofessional and "childish".

I am rapidly changing my mind on Loria. I was in his camp for a long time, but recently I'm just getting tired of him.

 

There is no need to keep fueling the fire. Just shut up. People will keep asking questions, but if you give them sound bites then you make it a story. If you don't, there's nothing new to report.

 

I personally am not a fan of Girardi and would not be upset if he was gone after this year, but he's your manager and you can't undermine him like that.

 

To whoever said that if we get a stadium its all because of Girardi...I have no idea what you're talking about. I hope that was a typo because otherwise its ridiculous to even say that. Girardi has 0% to do with anything stadium related.

 

Also, I love people using Dontrelle quotes to show how good Girardi is. When have you ever heard Dontrelle say anything negative about anyone? I think if Dave Wannstedt was his manager he'd say "I love Coach. He's great".

 

Loria just needs to shut the hell up...cheer on his team as they try and ride this momentum into the playoffs...and worry about getting us the stadium.

I'd rather keep Girardi and get a new owner with deeper pockets

Well, I can say for certain that after a very rough start, I like Girardi's management now (minus his usage of Reggie).

 

Loria is being petty at this point over an argument they had. It would be a shame to see Joe get fired.

I'd rather keep Girardi and get a new owner with deeper pockets

 

:notworthy , thank you

Just heard on baseball tonight that they asked Loria about Joe after tonights game and he said "We will sit down after the season is done and talk"

 

 

I heard that also. Why Loria says this now is beyond me. Better to not talk to the press if you are going to say something like this when we are in the process of a late season winning streak. BTW, I heard that on the Fox Saturday Baseball pre-game show today it was mentioned that Fredi Gonzalez will be leaving the Braves after this season to take a job managing either the Marlins or the Cubs.

I'm tired of the general media making Girardi out to be this great manager because our team is exceeding their miguided, uneducated pre-season expectations for our team. Anyone who predicted a 60 win season obviously did not evaluate the talent on this team, but looked solely at our less-than-stellar payroll. I'm not getting into whether Girardi is a great manager or not. I've made my position crystal clear already. I judge a team's manager by his in-game management, and not by the overall record of the team, or by the sound bytes of its current players.

 

Notwithstanding, I'm willing to accept wagers from anyone who believes that our record will decline next year (we will lose more games) if Girardi leaves.

Loria, without Girardi the Marlins would still be the laughing stock of MLB, moreso than the Royals. Grow the f*** up.

 

I think deep down inside, Loria is actually disappointed the Marlins are doing so well. Kind of like in Major League how that female owner or whatever wanted her team to do bad so she could get more money and move the team.

 

 

you are so clueless. loria would never make as much money in san antonio or portland with a market the size of south florida PERIOD.

 

im not convinced girardi deserves that much credit. all these guys the marlins fo gathered were very good prospects in their former teams. id give a ton of credit to the FO before giving it to girardi.

 

U r either Samon or Loria himself...