Stupid Loria firing Joe and hiring a new manager in just 5 mins! We could be negotiating with the other Joe by now!

 

Joe had a 200 million dallor payroll what makes you think he's going to be any better wit our payroll

If this happens I'll be shocked.

 

It's happening. A-Rod's the next to go. IMO, it's a good move.

People who blame on Torre are insane.

 

I see 1 problem w/ Joe: the fact that he only played Melky Cabrera ONCE in the playoffs. The guy practically helped save your outfield until Abreu came the least you could do is let him play instead of Matsui, who isn't back to full strenghth.

 

Otherwise Joe did a good job not taking sides on any Arod issues, but he could have intervened and broken this stuff up.

How about the fact that Joe Torre is a horrible, and I mean absolutely abysmal, in-game manager?

 

Sure, he's a pretty good clubhouse manager, but he's awful otherwise.

This is just sad. Steinbrenner should blame it on Cashman and himself. You expect Torre to win with aching dudes in their mid- late 30's? Come on now, Randy Johnson has lost it and Jaret Wright, who was the next best option, floundered too. You're NOT EVER going to win a WS without at least above average pitching, and even their bullpen was iffy. They shoulda started Karstens in that series.

 

The way I see it, Joe Torre's ballclub relied on outscoring opponents when Wang and the Moose weren't on the mound, and they succeeded in the regular year, but ran into good pitching against their average pitching and floundered.

Love to see the Yanks going crazy looking to blame someone else but their over paid players :lol :lol

They can hire whoever they want as manager, but they'll still fail as long as the Yanks have such a TERRIBLE pitching staff. Doesn't matter how much you spend or how much you can hit if your pitching sucks, and it also doesn't matter who manages your team if your pitching sucks.

wow, I wonder if torre will be interested in managing elsewhere. I can't picture him in anything but pinstripes.

While Torre doesnt necessarily deserve to be fired, they havent won in since 2000. When you are paying so much for a team, changes gotta be made at some point

 

Why not start with the GM instead?

thats fine too...

the yankees inspite of their massive payroll are extremly poorly constructed team( in terms of winning in the playoffs) , Cashman constructed the team he should be fired that said Torre has been manager for 10-11 years he has done a great job but they have not won since 2000 it might be some time for some fresh blood

If George has any brains he will tear the whole thing down and start from scratch.

If George has any brains he will tear the whole thing down and start from scratch.

 

I agree 100%. It's time for a young coach, not Pinella. It's time for a new GM that doesn't give too much money up for injured washed-up players. They need a firstbaseman who can actually play the position. A 3B who can play some D and hopefully be more clutch than A-Rod. They need 3 starting pitchers, 1-2 relievers and a back-up catcher. With all that being said, they're still the best regular season team in baseball. Here's a question, with all of these "trade A-rod and pay 80-90% of his deal just go can him "comments flying around different message boards, why not Willis and Cabrera for ARod and Hughes? Gives the marlins another young prospect with years before arbitration and a 3B with hometown support and a long term big cash deal that you wouldn't have to pay much of to draw fans. If NY takes enough of his money, that's immediate star power for nothing.

 

Posada, Giambi, Cano, Jeter, Mi. Cabrera, Me. Cabrera, Damon, Abreu, Matsui

Cairo, Millar, Phillips, Williams, Thompson, and a back-up catcher prospect.

SP Zito, Lidle, Mussina, Wang, Willis

RP Karstens, Farnsworth, Rivera, Bruney, Myers, Proctor, Villone

 

They should dump off:

Rodriguez 2.5 million (90% of his 25 they would have to pay)

Sheffield 10 million

Dotel 2 million

Wright 7.6 million

Johnson 15 million

If George has any brains he will tear the whole thing down and start from scratch.

 

I agree 100%. It's time for a young coach, not Pinella. It's time for a new GM that doesn't give too much money up for injured washed-up players. They need a firstbaseman who can actually play the position. A 3B who can play some D and hopefully be more clutch than A-Rod. They need 3 starting pitchers, 1-2 relievers and a back-up catcher. With all that being said, they're still the best regular season team in baseball. Here's a question, with all of these "trade A-rod and pay 80-90% of his deal just go can him "comments flying around different message boards, why not Willis and Cabrera for ARod and Hughes? Gives the marlins another young prospect with years before arbitration and a 3B with hometown support and a long term big cash deal that you wouldn't have to pay much of to draw fans. If NY takes enough of his money, that's immediate star power for nothing.

 

Posada, Giambi, Cano, Jeter, Mi. Cabrera, Me. Cabrera, Damon, Abreu, Matsui

Cairo, Millar, Phillips, Williams, Thompson, and a back-up catcher prospect.

SP Zito, Lidle, Mussina, Wang, Willis

RP Karstens, Farnsworth, Rivera, Bruney, Myers, Proctor, Villone

 

They should dump off:

Rodriguez 2.5 million (90% of his 25 they would have to pay)

Sheffield 10 million

Dotel 2 million

Wright 7.6 million

Johnson 15 million

NEVER!!!

why not Willis and Cabrera for ARod and Hughes? Gives the marlins another young prospect with years before arbitration and a 3B with hometown support and a long term big cash deal that you wouldn't have to pay much of to draw fans. If NY takes enough of his money, that's immediate star power for nothing.

 

 

That is an absolutely terrible idea from a Marlins fan.

why not Willis and Cabrera for ARod and Hughes

 

Never in a million years would I want that trade. That's a Yankees' dream right there.

What a retarded move by the Yanks.

According to ESPN fewer than a dozen fans showed up to greet the team in NY! Yeah, I'd say it's going to be a pretty interesting off-season for the Yankees.

I think the decision to let Torre go is a good one. His in game managing was rather poor from my observations and what I've heard, he just had tools at his disposal that nobody else could dream of. I saw the Yankees at least twice this season lose their DH to bring Bernie Williams into the field to play defense, once to play center and take Bobby Abreu out of the game. This is considering Bobby Abreu can not only play CF but very much holds his own defensively, while Bernie is on his last legs.

 

Torre's redeeming factor from what I have heard/seen is his clubhouse management, and in my opinion he didn't handle the witchunt against AROD well. I had been one previously to say you still have to manage the great players to the wins, but after watching some Yankee games this year I realized in the AL especially that really isn't the case. The studly Yankee pens of old that would march out Mariano Rivera to setup John Wetteland or Flash Gordon to setup Mariano Rivera weren't there anymore, and suddenly Joe wasn't such a great manager anymore. It's not difficult to manage your pen when you trot out the best closer in the history of baseball for 2 or 3 innings at a time. It's also not difficult to manage an AL lineup when your 8 hitter is AROD. No, sorry. A manager can win you games when you have a payroll of 60 mil or lower, but anything over than that the manager could do a lot better just sitting back and letting his players play. The problem with that is that when they don't play well, you can't make many stopgap moves because there's nothing to do.

 

Cashman's head should also roll, for putting together a team that can't hang with the big boys. But Torre deserved to go. And as far as a starting from scratch for the Yanks, how exactly does anyone see that happening? Do you really believe any other team is going to be able to stomach all those contracts? The teams that would be able to don't exactly have huge holes for them anyways. The Yankees are basically stuck with the money regardless, because any trade they complete will have to be one that is very onesided against them and will have them covering a huge chunk of change regardless of who is on the block.

I think the decision to let Torre go is a good one. His in game managing was rather poor from my observations and what I've heard, he just had tools at his disposal that nobody else could dream of. I saw the Yankees at least twice this season lose their DH to bring Bernie Williams into the field to play defense, once to play center and take Bobby Abreu out of the game. This is considering Bobby Abreu can not only play CF but very much holds his own defensively, while Bernie is on his last legs.

 

Torre's redeeming factor from what I have heard/seen is his clubhouse management, and in my opinion he didn't handle the witchunt against AROD well. I had been one previously to say you still have to manage the great players to the wins, but after watching some Yankee games this year I realized in the AL especially that really isn't the case. The studly Yankee pens of old that would march out Mariano Rivera to setup John Wetteland or Flash Gordon to setup Mariano Rivera weren't there anymore, and suddenly Joe wasn't such a great manager anymore. It's not difficult to manage your pen when you trot out the best closer in the history of baseball for 2 or 3 innings at a time. It's also not difficult to manage an AL lineup when your 8 hitter is AROD. No, sorry. A manager can win you games when you have a payroll of 60 mil or lower, but anything over than that the manager could do a lot better just sitting back and letting his players play. The problem with that is that when they don't play well, you can't make many stopgap moves because there's nothing to do.

 

Cashman's head should also roll, for putting together a team that can't hang with the big boys. But Torre deserved to go. And as far as a starting from scratch for the Yanks, how exactly does anyone see that happening? Do you really believe any other team is going to be able to stomach all those contracts? The teams that would be able to don't exactly have huge holes for them anyways. The Yankees are basically stuck with the money regardless, because any trade they complete will have to be one that is very onesided against them and will have them covering a huge chunk of change regardless of who is on the block.

 

Well said the Yankees have dug them selves in a hole with all thoose contracts they think there going to get out of it by spending more money instead of them stoping the digging the hole is just going to get bigger

I'd see Loria doing it, as a Marlins fan, there's a lot I dont wish had been done, like losing Castillo, Rentaria, Pierre, Pudge, etc. But, what can you do?

cool

If George has any brains he will tear the whole thing down and start from scratch.

 

 

Why? It's not like they had the best record in baseball or anything... :whistle

 

Seriously, Johnson's back just started hurting at the wrong time (coming down the stretch, the only pitcher better than RJ was Wang) and the injury bug crippled them. That team was a monster, it was just handled poorly. There were a ton of injuries to starting players that rendered them ineffective (Sheff, Giambi, Matsui) and the Yankees strategy simply backfired. Would they have been better served starting Andy Phillips, Bernie Williams and Melky Cabrera? Possibly, but it's over now.

 

There is so much god damn talent there that is going to be almost impossible to move that it's just crazy to suggest tearing the thing down.

 

I mean, if they do nothing, this is their lineup for next season:

 

Damon

Jeter

Abreu

Giambi

ARod

Matsui

Posada

Cabrera/Phillips

Cano

 

To go with:

 

Wang, Johnson, Pavano, Hughes and Wright.

 

Now, you figure that Wright gets bought out (and the Yankees are 50/50 on Moose) that gives them the space to open their wallet for Zito/Pettitte/Clemens, which I have no doubt they'd do if Moose's option isn't picked up.

 

Remember, this payroll's shedding around $40 million in Sheffield, Mussina and Williams...that's enough to sign an ace or two.

Heads were likely to roll after the Yankees were eliminated from the postseason by the Tigers, but the opening odds were on Alex Rodriguez going first, not Joe Torre.

 

According to the New York Daily News, however, the popular Yankees manager will be fired unless he decides to resign first to save face. Sources told the newspaper that former Yankees player and manager Lou Piniella will be owner George Steinbrenner's choice to replace Torre.

 

After winning the World Series in four of his first five seasons, Torre has weathered many storms since then, but Saturday's 8-3 loss left him emotional as he pondered his future in the Bronx.

 

"We felt pretty good about ourselves," Torre told the Daily News. "But again, that's something for [general manager Brian Cashman] and I and other people to talk about. But right now, it's just ..." and choking back tears, he concluded "... it's just tough."

 

Cashman and most of the front office employees are expected to keep their jobs, the Daily News reported.

 

Several Yankees players told MLB.com that they would be surprised to see Torre go.

 

"That's pretty drastic," outfielder Johnny Damon was quoted as saying by the Web site. "Joe has been awesome. You never know what's going to happen, but I think Joe should be safe. For all he's done and had to put up with, he's been incredible."

 

Cashman dismissed the idea of either Torre or Rodriguez leaving, telling MLB.com, "Why wouldn't they be coming back? That's not something that I'm even thinking about."

 

Piniella has been rumored to be in contention for the open positions with the Washington Nationals and Chicago Cubs. He last managed the Tampa Bay Devil Rays to a fifth-place finish in 2005. Piniella began his managerial career with the Yankees in 1986. That team finished second in the AL East, the best result of his three seasons in the Bronx.

 

Piniella went on to win the World Series as skipper of the Cincinnati Reds in 1988, however. After three years with the Reds, he managed the Seattle Mariners from 1993-2002 and the Devil Rays for the next three seasons.

 

Torre has won more than 1,000 games as manager of the Yankees, but after beating the Mets in the 2000 World Series, the Yankees have fallen short of always high expectations despite having the highest payroll in baseball.

 

Torre has one season and $7 million left on his contract.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2617224

Yankees have to move quickly in order to sign Sweet Lou Piniella

 

Even Joe G is an option in New York

Girardi was mentioned on Sportcenter as being a candidate although I dont think he has a legitamate shot at it and Pinella is a better manager in my opinion.

 

 

The Yankees need to start from scratch. New GM, new manager, get some young blood in the lineup and get rid of some pricey vets.