February 26, 200719 yr For those who doubt our bullpen, not only do I believe Gregg was a great addition to our pen, but I believe we have some finds that many don't see. I personally think Koplove is going to be great. Sergio Mitre will serve us as no more than a mid reliever and I believe he will flourish! Tank we already know is going to be good, and Messenger has a great arsenal, and if he can find a groove can pay us dividends, my choice for our bullpen this coming season is: Koplove Messenger TANK Mitre Owens Lindstrom Carlos Martinez (when he comes back from injury) EDIT: GREGG This bullpen is easily better than last years. Any thoughts?
February 26, 200719 yr For those who doubt our bullpen, not only do I believe Gregg was a great addition to our pen, but I believe we have some finds that many don't see. I personally think Koplove is going to be great. Sergio Mitre will serve us as no more than a mid reliever and I believe he will flourish! Tank we already know is going to be good, and Messenger has a great arsenal, and if he can find a groove can pay us dividends, my choice for our bullpen this coming season is: Koplove Messenger TANK Mitre Owens Lindstrom Carlos Martinez (when he comes back from injury) This bullpen is easily better than last years. Any thoughts? I think Martinez is out for the whole season
February 26, 200719 yr Hopefully Obermueller or F-Rod will show enough to take Messenger's spot (unless he really shows he's improved over last season).
February 26, 200719 yr so even though you think gregg is a great addition, he's out of your bullpen? :notworthy
February 26, 200719 yr Gregg Tankersley Owens Pinto Garcia Koplove Rodriguez I'm hoping this is what it ends up becoming. I have no faith in Messenger, but if he has an excellent spring, maybe he could take the place of Koplove or Rodriguez if one of them falters.
February 26, 200719 yr For those who doubt our bullpen, not only do I believe Gregg was a great addition to our pen, but I believe we have some finds that many don't see. I personally think Koplove is going to be great. Sergio Mitre will serve us as no more than a mid reliever and I believe he will flourish! Tank we already know is going to be good, and Messenger has a great arsenal, and if he can find a groove can pay us dividends, my choice for our bullpen this coming season is: Koplove Messenger TANK Mitre Owens Lindstrom Carlos Martinez (when he comes back from injury) This bullpen is easily better than last years. Any thoughts? You left out Pinto and Gregg
February 26, 200719 yr Sigh, other than Tank building on what he did, what has anyone done to think this bullpen will be better than last year, or even good, for that matter. Maybe it will be, that is the joy of spring, but there is nothing to support it other than "sure, why not-it can't hurt to believe".
February 26, 200719 yr We just have to hope some young bullpen arms step up like the starting arms did last year. I do feel this pen will be much better than a some think. As far as koplove goes, anyone heard where is velocity is at? I remember reading it was way down in years past, which is why he hasnt seen much MLB time lately.
February 26, 200719 yr might as well anoint them the new Nasty Boys Charlton - Myers - Dibble ...... Messenger - Koplove - Gregg :panic
February 26, 200719 yr Carlos Martinez (when he comes back from injury) This bullpen is easily better than last years. Any thoughts? Martinez is out for the season and in a word, no.
February 26, 200719 yr Carlos Martinez (when he comes back from injury) This bullpen is easily better than last years. Any thoughts? Martinez is out for the season and in a word, no. KMart could be back in July. It takes anywhere from 12-18 months to recovery from TJ surgery, so July would be 12 months. I just hope we don't rush him back.
February 27, 200719 yr The Marlins bullpen was a disaster last year- 27 blown saves (only Atlanta & KC were slightly worse). How much worse can a relatively new bullpen be this year? The veterans that added "stablity" - Borowski & Herges - accounted for 11 of those blown saves. In an ideal world, we'd have spent tens of millions shoring up the bullpen like Baltimore did. Given that we all know that's not reality, I think Admin Beinfest did the next best thing- brought in a bunch of new arms that potentially could set-up or close. Maybe Gregg can be a closer- who knows? Same with Owens & Lindstrom. Maybe Koplove or Rodriguez becomes a solid veteran presence. The bottom line is I'd rather have the uncertainty we have right now versus the mess we had last year.
February 27, 200719 yr The Marlins bullpen was a disaster last year- 27 blown saves (only Atlanta & KC were slightly worse). How much worse can a relatively new bullpen be this year? The veterans that added "stablity" - Borowski & Herges - accounted for 11 of those blown saves. In an ideal world, we'd have spent tens of millions shoring up the bullpen like Baltimore did. Given that we all know that's not reality, I think Admin Beinfest did the next best thing- brought in a bunch of new arms that potentially could set-up or close. Maybe Gregg can be a closer- who knows? Same with Owens & Lindstrom. Maybe Koplove or Rodriguez becomes a solid veteran presence. The bottom line is I'd rather have the uncertainty we have right now versus the mess we had last year. Nothing that goes on in Baltimore should be described as being in an ideal world. Bullpens will always be crap-shoots. Spending more for one than anyone ever has before only makes it a bigger gamble.
February 27, 200719 yr The Marlins bullpen was a disaster last year- 27 blown saves (only Atlanta & KC were slightly worse). How much worse can a relatively new bullpen be this year? The veterans that added "stablity" - Borowski & Herges - accounted for 11 of those blown saves. In an ideal world, we'd have spent tens of millions shoring up the bullpen like Baltimore did. Given that we all know that's not reality, I think Admin Beinfest did the next best thing- brought in a bunch of new arms that potentially could set-up or close. Maybe Gregg can be a closer- who knows? Same with Owens & Lindstrom. Maybe Koplove or Rodriguez becomes a solid veteran presence. The bottom line is I'd rather have the uncertainty we have right now versus the mess we had last year. Nothing that goes on in Baltimore should be described as being in an ideal world. Bullpens will always be crap-shoots. Spending more for one than anyone ever has before only makes it a bigger gamble. Ummm, how on earth is paying for results a crap shoot? Is every free agent then just a crap shoot? Just because bad middle relief often gets exposed doesn't mean that the BJ Ryan's and Chad Bradford's of the world are bad investments.
February 27, 200719 yr For those who doubt our bullpen, not only do I believe Gregg was a great addition to our pen, but I believe That's where I stopped reading. How many times have you seen Gregg pitch?
February 28, 200719 yr You are so my favorite poster You make me want to go plant candy cane fields and puke sprinkles.
February 28, 200719 yr I dont see how anyone can be down on Gregg. He's put up solid major league numbers and is coming to an extreme pitching park. His periphial stats indicate he's not putting up flukey ERAs. Now, unless you believe there's plenty of random minor league arms that can pitch league average or better in relief, (read: el penguino) having at least one known commodity is comforting.
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