STOP THE PRESSES!

 

Unlike last season, the Marlins aren't starting at the bottom of the payroll standings.

 

According to team payroll information gathered by The Associated Press, the Marlins' Opening Day payroll more than doubled to $30,507,000. That only gained them one spot in the rankings (29th).

 

Only the Tampa Bay Devil Rays ($24,124,200) have a lower payroll than the Marlins.

linketh

 

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only the Nats, Pirates, Rays and Fish have payrolls under $50mil

ya i just read that. Its amazing that it doubled from last year and we are still ranked so low!

We could double it AGAIN and still probably be in the lower half of all major league teams.

We could double it AGAIN and still probably be in the lower half of all major league teams.

We would be. Even in 2005, the paper reported, when Loria was spending the big bucks, we were 19th in the league.

No surprise, 10 years from now we would still most likely be down there, well, maybe if we move to Las Vegas we wont. =)

holy f***. i had no idea payroll went up that much.

hopefully one day we will have a new stadium and new owner , until then we are fortunate that we have the young cheap talent we currently have otherwise we would be like the d-rays , nats, and pirates ....without hope

I think what you're trying to say is thank god for the talent scouts we have, without them...I don't even want to think of how depressing Marlins baseball would be. But no matter what, I love my Marlins.

You should have been here in 1998 - wow did DD get back basically nothing in those trades. I always said he shoulda done better.

 

Beinfest is a genius with what he's done.

You should have been here in 1998 - wow did DD get back basically nothing in those trades. I always said he shoulda done better.

 

Beinfest is a genius with what he's done.

Kevin Brown for Derrek Lee

Al Leiter for AJ Burnett

Bonilla, Sheff for Piazza for Preston

(and I realize this next one is 1999)

Ed Yarnall for Mike Lowell

 

I think DD did ok for himself

You should have been here in 1998 - wow did DD get back basically nothing in those trades. I always said he shoulda done better.

 

Beinfest is a genius with what he's done.

Kevin Brown for Derrek Lee

Al Leiter for AJ Burnett

Bonilla, Sheff for Piazza for Preston

(and I realize this next one is 1999)

Ed Yarnall for Mike Lowell

 

I think DD did ok for himself

 

I was just gonna say, DD definitely set the foundation for our 2003 World Series Team. He got Burnett, Lee, Wilson, Lowell, Beckett, Penny, ect. That World Series team was not built by Beinfest.

Yeah, but the short/medium term results (98-01) were crappy, unlike LB's 06.

 

And he gave away Alou for squadoush.

 

Renteria for Looper & Ozuna was another poor trade - termed at the time a "baseball move" not a salary dump - HA HA. Edgar was just coming into the $$$ years.

Yeah, but the short/medium term results (98-01) were crappy, unlike LB's 06.

 

And he gave away Alou for squadoush.

 

Renteria for Looper & Ozuna was another poor trade - termed at the time a "baseball move" not a salary dump - HA HA. Edgar was just coming into the $$$ years.

 

 

Yep...and the Robb Nen deal was one to forget as well.

 

:whistle

You should have been here in 1998 - wow did DD get back basically nothing in those trades. I always said he shoulda done better.

 

Beinfest is a genius with what he's done.

 

He won with Dealin' Dave's blueprint.

 

Even Cabrera is a left-over from Dombrowski, and the way we handle international scouting, we'll be lucky to find another international player of consequence, let alone one that has perennial All-Star capability.

 

Yeah, but the short/medium term results (98-01) were crappy, unlike LB's 06.

 

And he gave away Alou for squadoush.

 

Renteria for Looper & Ozuna was another poor trade - termed at the time a "baseball move" not a salary dump - HA HA. Edgar was just coming into the $$$ years.

 

And the Castillo and Delgado trades look good in hindsight?

how about DLee for Choi? That one is terrible

ok...so beinfest isnt god...but among gm's he is at least an apostle

ok...so beinfest isnt god...but among gm's he is at least an apostle

 

Maybe he should demonstrate an ability to control payroll first.

 

Even Tampa, for all their mismanagement, runs circles around us when it comes to locking up talent affordably, and it's not like Baldelli, Crawford, Lugo and Huff are/were throw away talent.

If I recall correctly, DLee was going to walk anyway - so we picked up an opening day HR plus a McCovey Cove shot (and a short-lived chant HE-SOP-CHOY).

 

And LB did add the finishing touches to the 2003 team - Pudge, Pierre, Urbina, Pavano, Redman, plus that diamond in the rough we call the DTrain.

 

Anyway, I didn't really mean to start a debate better saved for the off-season - let's take at least 2 from the Phillies and get this party started. GO FISH

If I recall correctly, DLee was going to walk anyway - so we picked up an opening day HR plus a McCovey Cove shot (and a short-lived chant HE-SOP-CHOY).

 

He would have been under contract for 2004 with us. It was "LB" who decided it might be a good idea to non-tender him.

Damn Loria must be choking at the thought that his payroll is higher than the D-Rays!

ok...so beinfest isnt god...but among gm's he is at least an apostle

 

Maybe he should demonstrate an ability to control payroll first.

 

Even Tampa, for all their mismanagement, runs circles around us when it comes to locking up talent affordably, and it's not like Baldelli, Crawford, Lugo and Huff are/were throw away talent.

Two different philosophies and until you come up with a credible argument against it, don't knock Beinfest or the Marlins for it. Last I've checked the Marlins have done pretty well by themselves, let alone relative to the Rays and their cast of "affordable" core.

You should have been here in 1998 - wow did DD get back basically nothing in those trades. I always said he shoulda done better.

 

Beinfest is a genius with what he's done.

 

He won with Dealin' Dave's blueprint.

 

Even Cabrera is a left-over from Dombrowski, and the way we handle international scouting, we'll be lucky to find another international player of consequence, let alone one that has perennial All-Star capability.

 

Yeah, but the short/medium term results (98-01) were crappy, unlike LB's 06.

 

And he gave away Alou for squadoush.

 

Renteria for Looper & Ozuna was another poor trade - termed at the time a "baseball move" not a salary dump - HA HA. Edgar was just coming into the $$$ years.

 

And the Castillo and Delgado trades look good in hindsight?

 

 

Jacobs was at least league average last year and should be even better this year. That trade was not that bad and, even though he has done nothing so far, we turned that trade into Julio this year.

I was just gonna say, DD definitely set the foundation for our 2003 World Series Team. He got Burnett, Lee, Wilson, Lowell, Beckett, Penny, ect. That World Series team was not built by Beinfest.

I dont think you give enough credit to Beinfest for the 2003 WS. He did trade for Willis and at the time everyone thought he was crazy for trading Matt Clement. Beinfest brought in Juan Pierre for Preston Wilson, which was largely criticized, signed Pudge to a creative contract. Beinfest did trade for Conine and Uggie during the season which really solidified the team.

 

Dombrowski definately did his share in building the 2003 WS team but I wouldnt discount Beinfest like you do.

 

To say who is better Beinfest or Dombrowski is blasphemy. The Marlins have been really lucky to have some of the best baseball minds running player personnel. Not every trade works out. Every move isnt the right one. No one is ever gonna have it perfect.

Jacobs was at least league average last year and should be even better this year. That trade was not that bad and, even though he has done nothing so far, we turned that trade into Julio this year.

 

1) Jacobs was not league average last year, not for a 1st baseman.

 

2) Turning anything into Julio does not make it a good thing.

ok...so beinfest isnt god...but among gm's he is at least an apostle

 

Maybe he should demonstrate an ability to control payroll first.

 

Even Tampa, for all their mismanagement, runs circles around us when it comes to locking up talent affordably, and it's not like Baldelli, Crawford, Lugo and Huff are/were throw away talent.

Two different philosophies and until you come up with a credible argument against it, don't knock Beinfest or the Marlins for it. Last I've checked the Marlins have done pretty well by themselves, let alone relative to the Rays and their cast of "affordable" core.

 

I really don't want to get into it with you on this subject since it'll just devolve into your circular reasoning, but whatever.

 

If all the job of a GM is to make his owner happy, and all the owner wants to be happy is a consistent revenue stream then it is the GM's job to build stability. Under the Oakland/Tampa buy out arbitration plan, stability (both roster and payroll) is achieved. With said stability, the team has a better idea of where it stands financially in the future (rather than an annual coin-flip in arbitration, and next year, the difference between winning and losing all our cases could, conceivably, be more than $10 million if all cases go that far) and the fans have more of an attachment to the players. Get fans attached, get them in the ballpark, get them in the ballpark, get their money, get their money, get their owner happy.

 

Or, to be even more overly simplified, buying out the arby schedule means quasi-fire sales like the '03 offseason (too many players deemed "unaffordable") don't happen meaning teams operate on a "baseball only" business plan for their 3 or 4 year window...which keeps teams competitive, which we know brings out fans.

 

PS: Additionally, I find it absurd that you of all people (who believe Loria to have lost $20 million annually as he claims) to be "better off" than the Rays. Aren't you usually on your soap-box screaming that the lease makes it absolutely impossible for the Marlins to be financially viable and that the Loria led crew is hemorrhaging cash? If that's true, then you're a hypocrite for suggesting that their fiscal model leaves them financially better off on a year to year basis than the Devil Rays (who did outdraw us last season). If all you're suggesting is that they do well in terms of the standings, then that's accurate, but I'd argue that they (the Marlins) could do better.