I could think of worse things than an Owens-Tankersley tag team

Personally, I loved the idea of the committee.

I could think of worse things than an Owens-Tankersley tag team

Or Gregg-Lindstrom tag team.

Or any combination of the 4.

It's a good problem to have.

Ultimately though, it's probably best to have more defined roles in the bullpen.

But the bottom line for me in a bullpen....do whatever works.

I'm in favor of what ever gets the most outs, my SportingNews Fantasy baseball team prefers Owens... but yeah, as a fan, I'd go with my first choice...

It would make managing my fantasy team trickier!

Dibble-Charlton? :mischief2

Dibble-Charlton? :mischief2

and Myers!!!! the nasty boys

If we were going to go for a committee, I would think something like Lindstrom to setup, Owens to close, and replace either with Tank if we are at a lefty-heavy part of a lineup. If both innings will be lefty-heavy, maybe Pinto-Tank to close it out. But Pinto needs a rest first.

Personally until someone shows they can consistently be counted on to close my guess is you'll see Fredi moving guys in and out of the spot like interchangeable parts if for no other reason than trying to keep the other manager off-guard and limiting his moves not knowing in close and late situations what order Fredi will roll his guys out.

 

Eventually someone will rise up and take over the role but in the interim I'm unafraid of the alternative. Too many good arms and too many guys who want desperately to succeed for it not to work.

If we were going to go for a committee, I would think something like Lindstrom to setup, Owens to close, and replace either with Tank if we are at a lefty-heavy part of a lineup. If both innings will be lefty-heavy, maybe Pinto-Tank to close it out. But Pinto needs a rest first.

I like your idea minus the Pinto part. He should be in long relief and lefty specialist. We will see how it all comes together. The arms are there that is all that counts

It depends more on the pitcher. Some guys like to know their role so they can better prepare themselves mentally. They also know when they need to get up to start warming up (see Gardner warming up in the first only to come in and get the save later on in the game). Personally I like to have a Closer and Set-Up role defined very clearly as I think it gives a team, especially starters and middle relievers, a bit of a comfort zone. You get the game to the eighth and they'll finish it up for you. Conversely it also gives the opposing team the same thing to think about.

Quick, name a committee that's worked.

Quick, name a committee that's worked.

can't be any worse than Jorge Julio. . . And a committee is usually used for a couple of weeks until you decide who would be the best closer. otherwise, you may be in a situation where you are changing closer and demoting people multiple times in a season.

Dibble-Charlton? :mischief2

 

 

they were never a closer by committee.

 

 

a committee rarely works in MLB. proven time and time again.

One possible problem is that with young players trying to prove themselves, if they see them not getting their fair share, they might begin to doubt themselves. What may have been them sitting for them to rest or give aanother guy a shot may be seen as a lack of confidence in them by the coaching staff.

 

But otherwise, it's a perfect idea. They have great talent and can pitch well in any inning and in any setting. They will throw some gopherballs and blow up every now and again. They should be given the opportunity, not locked into roles they don't even know how to perform in yet and the coaching staff having the faintest clue how well they can. Knowing their roles? Hardly a consideration now.

Quick, name a committee that's worked.

can't be any worse than Jorge Julio. . . And a committee is usually used for a couple of weeks until you decide who would be the best closer. otherwise, you may be in a situation where you are changing closer and demoting people multiple times in a season.The "can't be any worse" logic for anything is terrible.

 

Why not put someone in the spot and then go from there? Much easier on the pen when everyone knows their roles.

what i think their doing is a spring training stuff here by trying to see who close game for marlins

Quick, name a committee that's worked.

can't be any worse than Jorge Julio. . . And a committee is usually used for a couple of weeks until you decide who would be the best closer. otherwise, you may be in a situation where you are changing closer and demoting people multiple times in a season.The "can't be any worse" logic for anything is terrible.

 

Why not put someone in the spot and then go from there? Much easier on the pen when everyone knows their roles.

 

Whatever Fredi decides is fine with me and I doubt anything would be worst than Julio (that's what I meant)

 

Closer by committee can work. It usually doesn't work because the talent is not there for a closer caliber arm.

Like I've said before, I bet the fish use a committee to ensure that Julio can reclaim the closer's role if he pitches well over the next few weeks. With an entire spring training and now 8 games into the season, Fredi has seen enough of these guys to simply pick a closer and go with him. But, he won't do that, because it would destroy team morale when that person is "removed" from the closer's role after Julio strings together adequate, consecutive pitching performances.

I could think of worse things than an Owens-Tankersley tag team

 

I have a feeling this is exactly what you're going to see. Owens will obviously get the mass majority of save chances with Tank and Lindstrom setting up, but if we're up going into the ninth with, say, Utley-Howard-Burrell going to the plate, you'll definitely see Tankersley in the ninth.

Juanky, we're usually on the same page and I've used the old saying, "a camel is a horse designed by a committee" more times than I'd like to admit, but that said, in my mind this situation is unique.

 

You have a group of young ballplayers who, if introduced to the idea properly, and I have enough confidence in Gonzalez and Kranitz it can, that it is a strategy meant to keep the other team as long as possible each game in the dark as to who they'll be seeing and in what order, there's strong liklihood with this group, they will "buy-in".

 

In business you can ask almost anything of a young staff if you explain your strategy and their roles in it, if you're upfront with them. Same here. If this were a group of guys who had been in this thing for five or six years I'd agree with you 100% but with guys like Owens, Lindstrom, Tankersley, Gregg and the rest (and that includes Julio who I suspect would pitch standing on his head if asked to at this point), for their own reasons they are hungry as hell and want to taste major league victory. If they feel they are contributing by employing this kind of strategy there's value there until someone becomes so clearly "the guy" none of them would dispute it.

 

It really *isn't* (in my scenario at least) so much a closer by committee, it's keeping the other team guessing who they'll see in the ninth, and if I were managing that would have value. If the kids see it, then it works. If as you're thinking, it becomes no is responsible for anything, that's another story, but again I look at the manager and coach involved and I think they could pull it off.

If we were going to go for a committee, I would think something like Lindstrom to setup, Owens to close, and replace either with Tank if we are at a lefty-heavy part of a lineup. If both innings will be lefty-heavy, maybe Pinto-Tank to close it out. But Pinto needs a rest first.

I like your idea minus the Pinto part. He should be in long relief and lefty specialist. We will see how it all comes together. The arms are there that is all that counts

He would still be a lefty specialist to a degree, but I wouldn't mind giving him the 8th inning in front of Tank if 2 of the next 3 batters due up are lefties for those 2 innings. Such a thing would be extremely rare anyway.

Like I've said before, I bet the fish use a committee to ensure that Julio can reclaim the closer's role if he pitches well over the next few weeks. With an entire spring training and now 8 games into the season, Fredi has seen enough of these guys to simply pick a closer and go with him. But, he won't do that, because it would destroy team morale when that person is "removed" from the closer's role after Julio strings together adequate, consecutive pitching performances.

An entire spring training and 8 games is hardly enough time for Fredi to pick a closer (hence why Beinfest spent all winter seeking a closer with years of experience) or designate the proper roles for the six other guys in the pen (many of whom who haven't pitched even in the majors)

Doesn't help my fantasy team.

It's Owens job to lose. He will likely get the fist save opportunity and if he comes through and looks good the job is his like it should have been after ST.