Wes Helms and cash for a player to be named later or cash.

 

Helms is due $2.15 million this season, plus a $750,000 buyout for 2009.

 

I assume we're getting a lot of that. Hopefully the player to be named isn't anyone of significance.

I like this move.

 

Question: Is Helms a less or greater liability at third than Cantu? I'm not liking what I see at third thus far. Is is possiblt that by the end of the year we'll see Cantu coming off the bench and either Helms or McPherson taking over at third? Not sure if Cantu can keep the job.

I like this move.

 

Question: Is Helms a less or greater liability at third than Cantu? I'm not liking what I see at third thus far. Is is possiblt that by the end of the year we'll see Cantu coming off the bench and either Helms or McPherson taking over at third? Not sure if Cantu can keep the job.

 

What are you seeing at 3rd that you don't like, Cantu's 1 error?

I like this move.

 

Question: Is Helms a less or greater liability at third than Cantu? I'm not liking what I see at third thus far. Is is possiblt that by the end of the year we'll see Cantu coming off the bench and either Helms or McPherson taking over at third? Not sure if Cantu can keep the job.

 

What are you seeing at 3rd that you don't like, Cantu's 1 error?

 

 

Let me preface my respone w/ the fact that, out of the three options we started with before ST, Cantu was not on the top of my list. So when I say I don't like Cantu at third, Its b/c I don't think he was the best choice. He never has been a defensive talent, and I doubt his defense will improve based on what he has shown in the past. I'm sure other people share my sentiment. So, I do think we could filled the position w/ Castillo and been stronger defensively rather than hope Cantu returns to 2005 form, be an offensive upgrade, but a defensive liability. I strongly believe a stronger defensive candidate could have and should have filled our third base void.

 

If your asking me if I like seeing Cantu's throwing error result in 2 runs, my answer is no. I don't like it.

 

You may not agree w/ my sentiment, but I do believe other fans have shared the sentiment of having a defensive approach at third this year would have been a more prudent approach to fiiling our void at third.

 

Now, back to my original question, does someone else see someone else taking over at third, especially now that Helms is aboard?

I really like this move. Welcome back Wes.

Now, back to my original question, does someone else see someone else taking over at third, especially now that Helms is aboard?

 

There's too many scenarios that could play themselves out to say definitively. Cantu gets hot or falls apart, Helms stays the player we saw in Philly or returns to his 2006 level, McPherson get's it all together after fifty games in AAA, or fillintheblank...you know, too many things can happen.

 

Until I see and indication otherwise I'll take Beinfest at his word that the move was made to incrementally improve pinch-hitting, backup at first and third and an improvement overall coming off the bench.

sorry if this has already been covered in this thread but is Wes likely to feature at all in todays (Sunday) game against the pirates?

sorry if this has already been covered in this thread but is Wes likely to feature at all in todays (Sunday) game against the pirates?

The Miami Herald said he'd be arriving around game time, so he will be there, but I don't know that he'll be used.

Cantu will probably play today. But, am I the only one who wants to see Andino start at third?

sorry if this has already been covered in this thread but is Wes likely to feature at all in todays (Sunday) game against the pirates?

The Miami Herald said he'd be arriving around game time, so he will be there, but I don't know that he'll be used.

He'll be landing at 2pm.

sorry if this has already been covered in this thread but is Wes likely to feature at all in todays (Sunday) game against the pirates?

The Miami Herald said he'd be arriving around game time, so he will be there, but I don't know that he'll be used.

He'll be landing at 2pm.

 

WES HAS ARRIVED!!!!

and I definitely agree about sample size. going through several seasons you see several guys waving by quite a bit.

Like certain 2B who get lucky one year :lol

I like this move.

 

Question: Is Helms a less or greater liability at third than Cantu? I'm not liking what I see at third thus far. Is is possiblt that by the end of the year we'll see Cantu coming off the bench and either Helms or McPherson taking over at third? Not sure if Cantu can keep the job.

 

 

Helms is only a little bit better than Cantu, but still worse than Miguel Cabrera (To give you an idea of how bad those two are). McPherson is the best fielder of the group (That is, if he's still able to field like he was. If his back is horrible, he's ofcoarse going to decline. Although he'd have to decline quite a bit to be on Helms/Cantu level. Not that McPherson is such a good fielder (roughly average) , just that those two are so bad).

and I definitely agree about sample size. going through several seasons you see several guys waving by quite a bit.

Like certain 2B who get lucky one year :lol

 

He still displayed above average range in '07. Given the drop in all of him, Hanley, and Cabrera, I think a lot of it had to do with Perry Hill.

good thing!

 

I like players with a bit of experience and he is one of those. plus he's a great clubhouse prensence

I like this move.

 

Question: Is Helms a less or greater liability at third than Cantu? I'm not liking what I see at third thus far. Is is possiblt that by the end of the year we'll see Cantu coming off the bench and either Helms or McPherson taking over at third? Not sure if Cantu can keep the job.

 

What are you seeing at 3rd that you don't like, Cantu's 1 error?

 

What I haven't liked from Cantu, was his inability to get outs on bunts in the 1st game. IMO it showed us its not just errors but his defensive liabilities are also his fielding is just not up to ML par.

sorry if this has already been covered in this thread but is Wes likely to feature at all in todays (Sunday) game against the pirates?

The Miami Herald said he'd be arriving around game time, so he will be there, but I don't know that he'll be used.

He'll be landing at 2pm.

 

WES HAS ARRIVED!!!!

 

OMG!!!! A CAREER .265 HITTER HAS ARRIVED!!! THE DIVISION IS OURS!!!

and I definitely agree about sample size. going through several seasons you see several guys waving by quite a bit.

Like certain 2B who get lucky one year :lol

 

He still displayed above average range in '07. Given the drop in all of him, Hanley, and Cabrera, I think a lot of it had to do with Perry Hill.

Pretty amazing if an infield coach can save 10 runs in the field, from each of your three predominant infielders. Guess we'll find out at the end of the year what the trend looks like.

and I definitely agree about sample size. going through several seasons you see several guys waving by quite a bit.

Like certain 2B who get lucky one year :lol

I didn't know we had one of those. I know we have a certain 2B who was got unlucky one year...." :lol "?

its tough to hit after flying and arriving at the stadium an hour earlier

 

GO WES!!!

I like this move.

 

Question: Is Helms a less or greater liability at third than Cantu? I'm not liking what I see at third thus far. Is is possiblt that by the end of the year we'll see Cantu coming off the bench and either Helms or McPherson taking over at third? Not sure if Cantu can keep the job.

 

What are you seeing at 3rd that you don't like, Cantu's 1 error?

 

What I haven't liked from Cantu, was his inability to get outs on bunts in the 1st game. IMO it showed us its not just errors but his defensive liabilities are also his fielding is just not up to ML par.

 

Referring to that 1st game, Cantu fielded that bunt as good as he could have, there was no error or anything to fault on Cantu. Let's not get nit picky.

I like this move.

 

Question: Is Helms a less or greater liability at third than Cantu? I'm not liking what I see at third thus far. Is is possiblt that by the end of the year we'll see Cantu coming off the bench and either Helms or McPherson taking over at third? Not sure if Cantu can keep the job.

 

What are you seeing at 3rd that you don't like, Cantu's 1 error?

 

 

Let me preface my response w/ the fact that, out of the three options we started with before ST, Cantu was not on the top of my list. So when I say I don't like Cantu at third, Its b/c I don't think he was the best choice. He never has been a defensive talent, and I doubt his defense will improve based on what he has shown in the past. I'm sure other people share my sentiment. So, I do think we could filled the position w/ Castillo and been stronger defensively rather than hope Cantu returns to 2005 form, be an offensive upgrade, but a defensive liability. I strongly believe a stronger defensive candidate could have and should have filled our third base void.

 

If your asking me if I like seeing Cantu's throwing error result in 2 runs, my answer is no. I don't like it.

 

You may not agree w/ my sentiment, but I do believe other fans have shared the sentiment of having a defensive approach at third this year would have been a more prudent approach to fiiling our void at third.

 

Now, back to my original question, does someone else see someone else taking over at third, especially now that Helms is aboard?

 

So you wanted Wood or McDallas starting the year over Cantu giving there current situations at the time?? If Cantu swings the bat like he did all ST and today, ill take one erratic throw here and there. Just feel your being a bit critical, today at the game I was literally humming out loud the circus music because the defense was comical and a circus act, but I'm not going to freak out over one bad inning. I think the defense has improved as a team since last year, and I've actually liked what I have seen from Cantu so far. Now, I'm not saying Cantu or nothing, if he slides and Dallas or Helms is tearing it up then by all means a change is needed, but under the current circumstances IMO I see no reason to move Cantu thus far.

I like this move.

 

Question: Is Helms a less or greater liability at third than Cantu? I'm not liking what I see at third thus far. Is is possiblt that by the end of the year we'll see Cantu coming off the bench and either Helms or McPherson taking over at third? Not sure if Cantu can keep the job.

 

What are you seeing at 3rd that you don't like, Cantu's 1 error?

 

 

Let me preface my response w/ the fact that, out of the three options we started with before ST, Cantu was not on the top of my list. So when I say I don't like Cantu at third, Its b/c I don't think he was the best choice. He never has been a defensive talent, and I doubt his defense will improve based on what he has shown in the past. I'm sure other people share my sentiment. So, I do think we could filled the position w/ Castillo and been stronger defensively rather than hope Cantu returns to 2005 form, be an offensive upgrade, but a defensive liability. I strongly believe a stronger defensive candidate could have and should have filled our third base void.

 

If your asking me if I like seeing Cantu's throwing error result in 2 runs, my answer is no. I don't like it.

 

You may not agree w/ my sentiment, but I do believe other fans have shared the sentiment of having a defensive approach at third this year would have been a more prudent approach to fiiling our void at third.

 

Now, back to my original question, does someone else see someone else taking over at third, especially now that Helms is aboard?

 

So you wanted Wood or McDallas starting the year over Cantu giving there current situations at the time?? If Cantu swings the bat like he did all ST and today, ill take one erratic throw here and there. Just feel your being a bit critical, today at the game I was literally humming out loud the circus music because the defense was comical and a circus act, but I'm not going to freak out over one bad inning. I think the defense has improved as a team since last year, and I've actually liked what I have seen from Cantu so far. Now, I'm not saying Cantu or nothing, if he slides and Dallas or Helms is tearing it up then by all means a change is needed, but under the current circumstances IMO I see no reason to move Cantu thus far.

 

Agree 100% :thumbup

I gave him a standing ovation when he came up to pinch hit. One of the few but it felt like the right way to welcome him back. He's going to be a great asset.

I gave him a standing ovation when he came up to pinch hit. One of the few but it felt like the right way to welcome him back. He's going to be a great asset.

 

 

As did I. I think I even saw you, brown shirt?