Cody

[Tee Ball Bunt Machine]

Looks like he's heating up. I say he should be playing everyday for the time being. His plays may not look as spectacular, but I think he's a much better defensive CF than Amezaga, and obviously he's hitting better, at least for the moment.

 

What say all of you?

[anotherrealfan]

Looks like he's heating up. I say he should be playing everyday for the time being. His plays may not look as spectacular, but I think he's a much better defensive CF than Amezaga, and obviously he's hitting better, at least for the moment.

 

What say all of you?

I say I would rather see Cody at bat even if he is hitting .050 instead of "almost automatic out Amezaga". How would you have felt last night if AA was batting in that situation-like you had a chance? I like AA as an off the bench utility guy and maybe a sunday breaker.

[miamibaseball]

let see if Cody can stay hot

[hivoltg]

Looks like he's heating up. I say he should be playing everyday for the time being. His plays may not look as spectacular, but I think he's a much better defensive CF than Amezaga, and obviously he's hitting better, at least for the moment.

 

What say all of you?

 

Not sure if I'd say better defensively. Both of them are pretty even if you ask me. But as far as a bat in the lineup, I'd say Cody is a dash better in that category. Until he cools off of course, which he tends to do. Amezaga is a great all around utility player but not an everyday CF as we can all see.

[Rabbethan]

Looks like he's heating up. I say he should be playing everyday for the time being. His plays may not look as spectacular, but I think he's a much better defensive CF than Amezaga, and obviously he's hitting better, at least for the moment.

 

What say all of you?

While I agree to having Cody play, especially concidering how much of a streaky hitter he is, to say he is better defensively is just wrong. Amezaga has a much stronger arm and much better range. Amezaga is definitely a + defender.

[CyggyMarlin]

Have Cody start, put Amezaga in CF in the later innings for his defense if the Fish have the lead.

[Hammerhead]

Have Cody start, put Amezaga in CF in the later innings for his defense if the Fish have the lead.

Amezaga over Carroll as a defensive replacement would be a crime. Just because Amezaga has made some routine catches look dramatic doesn't mean he's a great center fielder.

[CyggyMarlin]

What has Carroll done at the major league level?

[Hammerhead]

What has Carroll done at the major league level?

Guy has an Ankiel-type gun.

[Rabbethan]

Have Cody start, put Amezaga in CF in the later innings for his defense if the Fish have the lead.

Amezaga over Carroll as a defensive replacement would be a crime. Just because Amezaga has made some routine catches look dramatic doesn't mean he's a great center fielder.

No, the fact that his Range Factor at CF, and at basically every position, is above league average is what makes him a great CF, atleast part of why.

[Nny]

Yeah Amezaga has great range and reaction times. Sometimes he runs bad routes or reads ball wrong, but that's because of his lack of experience and overall he is a plus defender in center.

 

But Carroll is a better defensive outfielder, possibly best in the entire org.

[Rabbethan]

But Carroll is a better defensive outfielder, possibly best in the entire org.

Yeah, I haven't seen much of him out there for the obvious reasons, but he always looks great.

[canada-marlin24]

cody i just as good defensively as alfredo

[Marlins2003]

I've said this before but I'm dieing to know the back story on why, after Fredi announced he's be starting Carroll in the Milwaukee series way back when the guy hasn't gotten a start. Maybe it was that comment to Tankersley the night Tank was miked before the game about trying different spots in the dugout where Fredi might notice he was on the roster - next to the Gatorade, by the water cooler, two seats down from Tosca...lol...poor kid, but he pissed someone off, Porter, Presley, Tosca, or Fredi, but he's being taught a lesson (deservedly or not).

 

What was really telling about that conversation was that Tankersley already knew he had been banished because he was sticking the needle in but good to the rookie just by asking the question. Carroll's not the first kid to go through this nor is he going to be the last but I wish we had one reporter who would spill the beans on what happened.

[geemoney]

I've said this before but I'm dieing to know the back story on why, after Fredi announced he's be starting Carroll in the Milwaukee series way back when the guy hasn't gotten a start. Maybe it was that comment to Tankersley the night Tank was miked before the game about trying different spots in the dugout where Fredi might notice he was on the roster - next to the Gatorade, by the water cooler, two seats down from Tosca...lol...poor kid, but he pissed someone off, Porter, Presley, Tosca, or Fredi, but he's being taught a lesson (deservedly or not).

 

What was really telling about that conversation was that Tankersley already knew he had been banished because he was sticking the needle in but good to the rookie just by asking the question. Carroll's not the first kid to go through this nor is he going to be the last but I wish we had one reporter who would spill the beans on what happened.

One of the Florida papers quoted Fredi as saying he'll start Carroll as soon as the Marlins face a lefty, but they haven't faced one in a while. Still doesn't explain why he doesn't get the occasional spot start....with Gonzo's age, I wouldn't want to play him every day this early in the season.

[Erick]

Where is Alejandro De Aza?!?!?!?

[Hammerhead]

Have Cody start, put Amezaga in CF in the later innings for his defense if the Fish have the lead.

Amezaga over Carroll as a defensive replacement would be a crime. Just because Amezaga has made some routine catches look dramatic doesn't mean he's a great center fielder.

No, the fact that his Range Factor at CF, and at basically every position, is above league average is what makes him a great CF, atleast part of why.

If you think Amezaga is great, you'd think Carroll is exceptional.

[Nny]

Have Cody start, put Amezaga in CF in the later innings for his defense if the Fish have the lead.

Amezaga over Carroll as a defensive replacement would be a crime. Just because Amezaga has made some routine catches look dramatic doesn't mean he's a great center fielder.

No, the fact that his Range Factor at CF, and at basically every position, is above league average is what makes him a great CF, atleast part of why.

If you think Amezaga is great, you'd think Carroll is exceptional.

 

 

And just because Carroll is better doesn't mean that Amezaga is a bad defender, as you imply.

[Hammerhead]

Have Cody start, put Amezaga in CF in the later innings for his defense if the Fish have the lead.

Amezaga over Carroll as a defensive replacement would be a crime. Just because Amezaga has made some routine catches look dramatic doesn't mean he's a great center fielder.

No, the fact that his Range Factor at CF, and at basically every position, is above league average is what makes him a great CF, atleast part of why.

If you think Amezaga is great, you'd think Carroll is exceptional.

 

 

And just because Carroll is better doesn't mean that Amezaga is a bad defender, as you imply.

That's not what I was implying whatsoever. Actually I think with a few more years of experience, he could be damn good. But he'll never be what Carroll is, even right now.

[Nny]

Have Cody start, put Amezaga in CF in the later innings for his defense if the Fish have the lead.

Amezaga over Carroll as a defensive replacement would be a crime. Just because Amezaga has made some routine catches look dramatic doesn't mean he's a great center fielder.

No, the fact that his Range Factor at CF, and at basically every position, is above league average is what makes him a great CF, atleast part of why.

If you think Amezaga is great, you'd think Carroll is exceptional.

 

 

And just because Carroll is better doesn't mean that Amezaga is a bad defender, as you imply.

That's not what I was implying whatsoever. Actually I think with a few more years of experience, he could be damn good. But he'll never be what Carroll is, even right now.

 

 

Well, since we basically agree on the issue I'm not saying this to argue. But you said "just because Amezaga has made some routine catches look dramatic doesn't mean he's a great center fielder", which would imply he's a below average fielder in the vain of Jeter (ateast to me).

[Erick]

I think people are overrating Carroll quite a bit, saying he deserves starts.

 

Fact is, the guy is not a good hitter, and with Hammer and Jake out of the lineup, the last thing we need is another offensive liability.

 

Carroll was never a "prospect" by any means.

 

He is a very good defensive outfielder, and I'd feel a lot more comfortable if Freddi used him more in RF, in the late innings, instead of Hermida, really.

 

However, with the way Gonzo's hit the ball since Hammer's injury, Carroll doesn't deserve starts. You guys talk about Carroll as if he hits lefties well. He's not Matt Diaz, by any means.

 

And with the offense, we're getting from CF, 1B, and C, the last thing we need is another automatic out in LF, when we're facing a lefty, right now.

[Nny]

The past two years he's put a .320/.377/.616/.933 OPS line in the minors.

 

Now yes that does have to deal with the PCL but with constant playing time he could likely put up a low to mid .700 OPS (mostly slg filled, since with his K rates it's unlikely he puts up a good average and he doesn't walk a lot, so he won't have a very good OBP)

 

For someone that plays as good of defensive as he does, that makes him a servicable player (Moreso in center then in a corner spot, but for some reason it seems that Fredi doesn't like playing him in center).

[Erick]

The past two years he's put a .320/.377/.616/.933 OPS line in the minors.

 

Now yes that does have to deal with the PCL but with constant playing time he could likely put up a low to mid .700 OPS (mostly slg filled, since with his K rates it's unlikely he puts up a good average and he doesn't walk a lot, so he won't have a very good OBP)

 

For someone that plays as good of defensive as he does, that makes him a servicable player (Moreso in center then in a corner spot, but for some reason it seems that Fredi doesn't like playing him in center).

 

 

...but that also makes him (Carroll) a serviceable bench player on most teams.

 

I think our best option right now, is Cody Ross. Cody Ross should play every day right now. Just leave Amezaga where he belongs, on the bench (Amezaga is a great utility guy).

 

Ross had a GREAT .OPS with us last year, and is getting hot now.

 

...and as you said, it's the PCL. I'm not about to get excited over Carroll's PCL #'s. From what I've seen in the big leagues, Carroll is a very mediocre hitter (to be nice).

[Dr Beinfest]

As terrible as Ross did start, he has limitedly proven himself once before, give him time, thats all he needs. Its not like there is too much of a better option, until Maybin of course.

[Rabbethan]

The past two years he's put a .320/.377/.616/.933 OPS line in the minors.

I don't wanna say Reggie Abercrombie, but...

 

323/.361/.584/.945 in PCL.

 

Offensively, Carroll might just be a AAAA player. I would love to be wrong, and I understand that 60ABs isn't alot, but none of those 60ABs have impressed me.