May 24, 200818 yr I understand he's had trouble throwing to 1B, but some of you talk about this guy, as if he's Jorge Julio. He hasn't been TERRIBLE, and the fact that some of you want McPherson up already, as if he's Brooks Robinson the 2nd, makes no sense. We have no replacement for Cantu now, and fact is, he's come up with some big hits for us this year, already...
May 24, 200818 yr I understand he's had trouble throwing to 1B, but some of you talk about this guy, as if he's Jorge Julio. He is the HORROR-HEY WHO-LIO of the hot corner. :mischief
May 24, 200818 yr Author I understand he's had trouble throwing to 1B, but some of you talk about this guy, as if he's Jorge Julio. He is the HORROR-HEY WHO-LIO of the hot corner. :mischief :lol 'Touche
May 24, 200818 yr I understand he's had trouble throwing to 1B, but some of you talk about this guy, as if he's Jorge Julio. He is the HORROR-HEY WHO-LIO of the hot corner. :mischief :lol 'Touche lol cant-u canto hit but thats about it fielding is horible if he dosent bobble the ball or let it eat him up its a crappy throw half of the time i woyld like to see andino at third nd carrol in the outfield c if these guys could hang
May 24, 200818 yr Author I understand he's had trouble throwing to 1B, but some of you talk about this guy, as if he's Jorge Julio. He is the HORROR-HEY WHO-LIO of the hot corner. :mischief :lol 'Touche lol cant-u canto hit but thats about it fielding is horible if he dosent bobble the ball or let it eat him up its a crappy throw half of the time i woyld like to see andino at third nd carrol in the outfield c if these guys could hang ...and then we'll probably have the worst offense in the league... Andino hasn't even shown he can hit the ball in the minors.
May 24, 200818 yr LOL @ Andino playing 3B. He hit 1 HR that mattered and other than that he has proven that he can't hit big league pitching. For now, gimmie Cantu and the errors.
May 24, 200818 yr Cantu's numbers aren't that impressive. I don't see why McPherson couldn't put up something similar with better defense.
May 24, 200818 yr Author Cantu's numbers aren't that impressive. I don't see why McPherson couldn't put up something similar with better defense. a) it's the PCL b) His #'s aren't mind-boggling...he's hitting .214 against lefties, I believe. c) His defense, while it might be better than Cantu's, is not exactly McPherson's strength.
May 24, 200818 yr Cantu's numbers aren't that impressive. I don't see why McPherson couldn't put up something similar with better defense. a) it's the PCL b) His #'s aren't mind-boggling...he's hitting .214 against lefties, I believe. c) His defense, while it might be better than Cantu's, is not exactly McPherson's strength. A) He's been producing in line with his career (read: when he was a hot shot prospect) numbers in the PCL B) You platoon him with someone that beats up lefties, e.g. Wes Helms C) It may not be a strength, but it's certainly better, and if you can even match Cantu's batting with better defense, it's an upgrade, and should be made And I dare someone to proclaim me a Cantu-hater, because I'm not, I just see a chance to improve the team, and it will
May 24, 200818 yr Author Cantu's numbers aren't that impressive. I don't see why McPherson couldn't put up something similar with better defense. a) it's the PCL b) His #'s aren't mind-boggling...he's hitting .214 against lefties, I believe. c) His defense, while it might be better than Cantu's, is not exactly McPherson's strength. A) He's been producing in line with his career (read: when he was a hot shot prospect) numbers in the PCL B) You platoon him with someone that beats up lefties, e.g. Wes Helms C) It may not be a strength, but it's certainly better, and if you can even match Cantu's batting with better defense, it's an upgrade, and should be made And I dare someone to proclaim me a Cantu-hater, because I'm not, I just see a chance to improve the team, and it will A) It's still the PCL...if he hits less than .300 there with K problems...why should we expect better in the big leagues? B) Wes Helms doesn't really "beat up" on lefties. This isn't 2006. Helms hit .282 against lefties last year, and has followed it up with a .250 average in a small sample size this year. C) ...ok...but I still don't see the upgrade, considering his minor league #'s smell like Ryan Howard's CURRENT #'s in the big leagues (probably with less power).
May 24, 200818 yr McPherson is reportedly still not healthy yet, still has back problems. Cantu is here for one year. Live with it. He can play 1st, 2nd, third. He is what he is and he'll end the season with 15 homeruns and a .275 average for $500k. And I bet if you looked at how many runs have actually come in because of his errors or how many have been game decision-makers the net number is very small. No excuse for the errors but you can't just look at the number and make a blanket comment about his contribution.
May 24, 200818 yr Author McPherson is reportedly still not healthy yet, still has back problems. Cantu is here for one year. Live with it. He can play 1st, 2nd, third. He is what he is and he'll end the season with 15 homeruns and a .275 average for $500k. And I bet if you looked at how many runs have actually come in because of his errors or how many have been game decision-makers the net number is very small. No excuse for the errors but you can't just look at the number and make a blanket comment about his contribution. exactly The future at 3B is coming in 3-5 years, and everything from then on, is just a fill-in for the year.
May 24, 200818 yr McPherson is reportedly still not healthy yet, still has back problems. Cantu is here for one year. Live with it. He can play 1st, 2nd, third. He is what he is and he'll end the season with 15 homeruns and a .275 average for $500k. And I bet if you looked at how many runs have actually come in because of his errors or how many have been game decision-makers the net number is very small. No excuse for the errors but you can't just look at the number and make a blanket comment about his contribution. exactly The future at 3B is coming in 3-5 years, and everything from then on, is just a fill-in for the year. So, we have to wait another 3-5 years... argh. Why do we get these guys right out of HS.
May 24, 200818 yr McPherson is reportedly still not healthy yet, still has back problems. Cantu is here for one year. Live with it. He can play 1st, 2nd, third. He is what he is and he'll end the season with 15 homeruns and a .275 average for $500k. And I bet if you looked at how many runs have actually come in because of his errors or how many have been game decision-makers the net number is very small. No excuse for the errors but you can't just look at the number and make a blanket comment about his contribution. If you honestly think that's my train of thought... well... not even gonna get into that... As for "living with" Cantu being here for one year, that's not the issue, if there is a potential to upgrade the team at all, you take it... and you can't disagree with that Also, Wes Helms in his career, OPSs .835 against LHP, that's more than solid enough, couple that with McPherson's .800 OPS against RHP and you have two halves of a solid 3B... And for everyone making this argument that Cantu has been this acceptable contributor, that's fine, but realistically speaking, Jose Castillo would have been an acceptable contributor, heck any reasonable 3B would be... and with better defense, but the easier thing to do (and apparently the popular thing) is: 1) Well, we can't worry about the trade we didn't make (I agree with this one) 2) We can't afford to change our "average-at-best-offensively,poor-defensively" 3B because it would hurt team chemistry (Read what Jim Leyland said about chemistry) 3) Live with what we have (Why SHOULD we, if we have the potential to provide any semblance of an upgrade, people seem content to just let Cantu ride out the year) In 3 weeks we have our interleague series, and McPherson would be huge for that, and bringing him up now would have been the ticket for it, because he could have gotten more aclimation to ML pitching between here and there... Also... another thing not being considered... when we got Wes Helms, it lit a fire under Cantu and got him hitting for a little while... once Helms was established to be the PH,1B/3B backup, Cantu slowed right back down... calling up McPherson might light that fire underneath him again, and if not, it's open season for that position while he's up. Erick, you started this topic by saying "He hasn't been TERRIBLE, and the fact that some of you want McPherson up already, as if he's Brooks Robinson the 2nd, makes no sense. " And in direct response to that, he has been below average, meaning, his contributions SHOULD BE much better than they are... NO ONE is comparing McPherson to any HOFer, and if they are, they are dumb... McPherson brings the possibility of an ML AVERAGE 3B to our team, something that would easily be an upgrade... not wanting to possibly upgrade our team makes no sense... the absolute worst case scenario is that we get a LH PHer for the time being, something that we only have in Jones.
May 24, 200818 yr If you honestly think that's my train of thought... well... not even gonna get into that... I was responding a number of things said in the thread and not your comments specifically. Was the last thing on my mind, if I wanted to do that I would have "quoted" you. When I decided to comment it had nothing to do with anything anyone said in particular.
May 24, 200818 yr Author McPherson is reportedly still not healthy yet, still has back problems. Cantu is here for one year. Live with it. He can play 1st, 2nd, third. He is what he is and he'll end the season with 15 homeruns and a .275 average for $500k. And I bet if you looked at how many runs have actually come in because of his errors or how many have been game decision-makers the net number is very small. No excuse for the errors but you can't just look at the number and make a blanket comment about his contribution. If you honestly think that's my train of thought... well... not even gonna get into that... As for "living with" Cantu being here for one year, that's not the issue, if there is a potential to upgrade the team at all, you take it... and you can't disagree with that Also, Wes Helms in his career, OPSs .835 against LHP, that's more than solid enough, couple that with McPherson's .800 OPS against RHP and you have two halves of a solid 3B... And for everyone making this argument that Cantu has been this acceptable contributor, that's fine, but realistically speaking, Jose Castillo would have been an acceptable contributor, heck any reasonable 3B would be... and with better defense, but the easier thing to do (and apparently the popular thing) is: 1) Well, we can't worry about the trade we didn't make (I agree with this one) 2) We can't afford to change our "average-at-best-offensively,poor-defensively" 3B because it would hurt team chemistry (Read what Jim Leyland said about chemistry) 3) Live with what we have (Why SHOULD we, if we have the potential to provide any semblance of an upgrade, people seem content to just let Cantu ride out the year) In 3 weeks we have our interleague series, and McPherson would be huge for that, and bringing him up now would have been the ticket for it, because he could have gotten more aclimation to ML pitching between here and there... Also... another thing not being considered... when we got Wes Helms, it lit a fire under Cantu and got him hitting for a little while... once Helms was established to be the PH,1B/3B backup, Cantu slowed right back down... calling up McPherson might light that fire underneath him again, and if not, it's open season for that position while he's up. Erick, you started this topic by saying "He hasn't been TERRIBLE, and the fact that some of you want McPherson up already, as if he's Brooks Robinson the 2nd, makes no sense. " And in direct response to that, he has been below average, meaning, his contributions SHOULD BE much better than they are... NO ONE is comparing McPherson to any HOFer, and if they are, they are dumb... McPherson brings the possibility of an ML AVERAGE 3B to our team, something that would easily be an upgrade... not wanting to possibly upgrade our team makes no sense... the absolute worst case scenario is that we get a LH PHer for the time being, something that we only have in Jones. To be honest, I wouldn't mind McPherson up once interleague play begins (in the AL parks). However, I just think Cantu gets lots of criticism for his defense. True, his defense has been pretty bad...but the whole team is bad, defensively. Mike Jacobs is bad defensively Dan Uggla is improving, but his career #'s suggest he's just a mediocre fielder...and his #'s this year aren't "outstanding." Hanley is one of the worst defensive shortstops in baseball Hermida falls asleep on occasion in the OF Gonzo has the arm of a 10 year old (can't really fault him for surgery, but facts are facts). The only player on this team that can play defense at a great, consistent level...is Alfredo Amezaga. If we're going to complain about Cantu's throwing errors, I think we should throw some complaints at some other players, as well.
May 24, 200818 yr To be honest, I wouldn't mind McPherson up once interleague play begins (in the AL parks). However, I just think Cantu gets lots of criticism for his defense. True, his defense has been pretty bad...but the whole team is bad, defensively. Mike Jacobs is bad defensively Dan Uggla is improving, but his career #'s suggest he's just a mediocre fielder...and his #'s this year aren't "outstanding." Hanley is one of the worst defensive shortstops in baseball Hermida falls asleep on occasion in the OF Gonzo has the arm of a 10 year old (can't really fault him for surgery, but facts are facts). The only player on this team that can play defense at a great, consistent level...is Alfredo Amezaga. If we're going to complain about Cantu's throwing errors, I think we should throw some complaints at some other players, as well. That's fine, but really (sans the slumping Hermida and Hanley for now) everyone has been hitting their weight, (keeping in mind that Gonzo is really a bench player for us) But if anything, like I said, now would be the time to bring up McPherson, to get him adjusted for his time during interleague, and give him spots in late innings defensively and some PH's and maybe a couple of starts... It's certainly not going to break the season, but it sure as heck could make the season if we catch lightning in a bottle
May 24, 200818 yr To be honest, I wouldn't mind McPherson up once interleague play begins (in the AL parks). However, I just think Cantu gets lots of criticism for his defense. True, his defense has been pretty bad...but the whole team is bad, defensively. Mike Jacobs is bad defensively Dan Uggla is improving, but his career #'s suggest he's just a mediocre fielder...and his #'s this year aren't "outstanding." Hanley is one of the worst defensive shortstops in baseball Hermida falls asleep on occasion in the OF Gonzo has the arm of a 10 year old (can't really fault him for surgery, but facts are facts). The only player on this team that can play defense at a great, consistent level...is Alfredo Amezaga. If we're going to complain about Cantu's throwing errors, I think we should throw some complaints at some other players, as well. Noone has been as bad as Cantu this year. Jacobs is showing some improvement out there, he just needs to learn to pick the ball, especially with the wild arm of Cantu. Dan Uggla has been much better this year and was average in 2006. 2007 was bad. His range has been above average this year, but he still needs to work on his glovework. Hanley has made strides, but that still has to be worked on. His offense heavily makes up for it though. Hermida has actually been fielding pretty well, outside a few occasions, this year. Gonzo is what we call a "bench player" who is a backup. So yes, the only player who you can say might be playing defense as badly as Cantu, due to age and a weak arm, is a bench player. A bench player how has easily been outhitting Cantu.
May 24, 200818 yr Author To be honest, I wouldn't mind McPherson up once interleague play begins (in the AL parks). However, I just think Cantu gets lots of criticism for his defense. True, his defense has been pretty bad...but the whole team is bad, defensively. Mike Jacobs is bad defensively Dan Uggla is improving, but his career #'s suggest he's just a mediocre fielder...and his #'s this year aren't "outstanding." Hanley is one of the worst defensive shortstops in baseball Hermida falls asleep on occasion in the OF Gonzo has the arm of a 10 year old (can't really fault him for surgery, but facts are facts). The only player on this team that can play defense at a great, consistent level...is Alfredo Amezaga. If we're going to complain about Cantu's throwing errors, I think we should throw some complaints at some other players, as well. Noone has been as bad as Cantu this year. Jacobs is showing some improvement out there, he just needs to learn to pick the ball, especially with the wild arm of Cantu. Dan Uggla has been much better this year and was average in 2006. 2007 was bad. His range has been above average this year, but he still needs to work on his glovework. Hanley has made strides, but that still has to be worked on. His offense heavily makes up for it though. Hermida has actually been fielding pretty well, outside a few occasions, this year. Gonzo is what we call a "bench player" who is a backup. So yes, the only player who you can say might be playing defense as badly as Cantu, due to age and a weak arm, is a bench player. A bench player how has easily been outhitting Cantu. ...but my point is, the WHOLE team, in general, is one of the worst defensive teams in the big leagues. My point here is...why does Cantu get so much criticism (for defense?) when the rest don't? Is it the offense? B/c that would explain it to me, however, I wasn't EXPECTING Cantu to have better or near the offensive #'s of Hanley, Uggla, Jacobs, or Hermida.
May 24, 200818 yr To be honest, I wouldn't mind McPherson up once interleague play begins (in the AL parks). However, I just think Cantu gets lots of criticism for his defense. True, his defense has been pretty bad...but the whole team is bad, defensively. Mike Jacobs is bad defensively Dan Uggla is improving, but his career #'s suggest he's just a mediocre fielder...and his #'s this year aren't "outstanding." Hanley is one of the worst defensive shortstops in baseball Hermida falls asleep on occasion in the OF Gonzo has the arm of a 10 year old (can't really fault him for surgery, but facts are facts). The only player on this team that can play defense at a great, consistent level...is Alfredo Amezaga. If we're going to complain about Cantu's throwing errors, I think we should throw some complaints at some other players, as well. Noone has been as bad as Cantu this year. Jacobs is showing some improvement out there, he just needs to learn to pick the ball, especially with the wild arm of Cantu. Dan Uggla has been much better this year and was average in 2006. 2007 was bad. His range has been above average this year, but he still needs to work on his glovework. Hanley has made strides, but that still has to be worked on. His offense heavily makes up for it though. Hermida has actually been fielding pretty well, outside a few occasions, this year. Gonzo is what we call a "bench player" who is a backup. So yes, the only player who you can say might be playing defense as badly as Cantu, due to age and a weak arm, is a bench player. A bench player how has easily been outhitting Cantu. ...but my point is, the WHOLE team, in general, is one of the worst defensive teams in the big leagues. My point here is...why does Cantu get so much criticism (for defense?) when the rest don't? Is it the offense? B/c that would explain it to me, however, I wasn't EXPECTING Cantu to have better or near the offensive #'s of Hanley, Uggla, Jacobs, or Hermida. Cantu is getting more criticism because he is the worst. He is worse at defense than anyone else on a team that sucks a defense. And in addition to that, he has the worst offensive numbers of any starter outside the CFers, who are getting just as much criticism. So when you are the worst defensively and the worst offensively, the criticism will come on it's own.
May 25, 200818 yr Dont know how much should be read into this but Chris Coghlan played 3b tonight meanwhile Lee Mitchell who usually plays 3b played 2nd.
May 25, 200818 yr When you have a .900 OPS, your defense doesn't matter much because you're still producing for your team. When you have a .700 OPS, you damn well better be able to field. That's the difference between Alfredo (A servicable starter) and Cantu (Below average). It's just like Miguel Olivo last year. Below average hitting and one of the worst fielders at his posistion quickly makes you sour with the fans. It's not as "clear" of a upgrade this year considering Treanor was producing at the ML level. And I have a feeling, Cantu will be starting all year too, expecially if the whole Dallas still hurting thing is true.
May 25, 200818 yr McPherson is reportedly still not healthy yet, still has back problems. Cantu is here for one year. Live with it. He can play 1st, 2nd, third. He is what he is and he'll end the season with 15 homeruns and a .275 average for $500k. And I bet if you looked at how many runs have actually come in because of his errors or how many have been game decision-makers the net number is very small. No excuse for the errors but you can't just look at the number and make a blanket comment about his contribution. The voice of reason. Thank you.
May 25, 200818 yr Cantu's numbers aren't that impressive. I don't see why McPherson couldn't put up something similar with better defense. a) it's the PCL b) His #'s aren't mind-boggling...he's hitting .214 against lefties, I believe. c) His defense, while it might be better than Cantu's, is not exactly McPherson's strength. A) He's been producing in line with his career (read: when he was a hot shot prospect) numbers in the PCL B) You platoon him with someone that beats up lefties, e.g. Wes Helms C) It may not be a strength, but it's certainly better, and if you can even match Cantu's batting with better defense, it's an upgrade, and should be made And I dare someone to proclaim me a Cantu-hater, because I'm not, I just see a chance to improve the team, and it will Did you happen to notice his K to BB ratio?? He may be hitting RHP pretty good in the PCL but he also has 51 Ks to 18 BBs against them. I think ML pitching would tear him up.
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