July 23, 200818 yr I don't see where any of the players you all have listed are either underappreciated or underrated by the team or the fans, which is what the thread is all about. The exceptions being Helms and Gonzo, which I don't see being on the team next year in a player's role. My vote would go to one of two players. Treanor. An excellent back up catcher that can give us alot of starts in case of injury. He isn't a full time starter but is adequetly filling that role because of a lack at that position again this year for the Fish. Not great, just adequet. He's far better in the back up role. Or Joe Nelson. A 33 YO reliever that has pretty much been a career minor leaguer that stuck with his dream only to excel in a Marlins uniform this year. After a much unheralded call up, he has gone 24.1 IPs with 27 Ks, 9BBs and a 1.48 ERA. To me, he's the Rodney Dangerfield of our pitching staff. As I said, I think this entire team is underapreciated. Lets not forget you are on a Marlins fan forum, so yeah, these guys are going to get a little bit more recognition here then normal. I mearly picked the guys who I thought were having incredible seasons for one reason or another, and who really haven't been recognized for it on a more national scale. I have no intent on picking a medocure player that gets absolutely no attention, from the National standpoint or from the fans, just because he may deserve a little bit of attention. I'm going to focus on the players playing great all around baseball or exceptional clutch baseball who should be in the national spotlight in Utley or Holliday fashion, but only get recognized by the Marlins fans, if that. Ross, to me, has the biggest gap right now between the level at which he is recognized, and where his recognition should be. I did miss Nelson, though, and I agree with that pick. He gets absolutely no recognition at all but is putting up some killer numbers. You and Rab both have legitimate points. But I don't see Nelson getting any love around here nor do I see him as having a mediocre season thus far. Seeing as this is an opinion thing, I'll stick to mine. No offense to either of you. Or the others that voiced their opinions. The mediocre wasn't refering to Nelson, btw, that was to Trainor. He's been good defensively, but I think things even out for him when he gets the bat. I agreed with you on Nelson, he is definately underrated and should have been on my list.
July 23, 200818 yr On this board, Jeremy Hermida. Yep... people forget he's only 24 and that he put up great numbers back in high school.
July 23, 200818 yr On this board, Jeremy Hermida. Yep... people forget he's only 24 and that he put up great numbers back in high school. lmfaooo
July 23, 200818 yr this may cause some controversy but im gonna say: Kevin Gregg Why? He has 6 wins, 20 saves and a 2.49 ERA. Other than a couple of bad games in Colorado he has only allowed 3 runs in June + July. And he showed great bouncebackability after Denver with 5 saves in the next week. Yes he walks too many. Yes he makes things far too nerve-wracking at times. But more often that not he does his job and that is closing out games. He has 6 wins because he blew games and our team won in the end. I believe he has like 11 decisions already... which is sad for a closer. As far as underated players go, I'd go with Olsen. Besides that game in Colorado (which he still gave us an opportunity to win :mischief ) he has been great.
July 23, 200818 yr I'm going with... Scott Olsen Reasoning: Scott Olsen has given us more chances to win than anyone else. While Nolasco has been pushed as our "ace", Scotty has been steadier. He has more starts of 7 innings or more (9 vs 7), has more quality starts (12 vs 11) and a higher percentage of quality starts (60% vs 58%). Scotty has only had 2 games with 5 or more earned runs, Nolasco has 4. Going into the 2nd half, all the talk has been about Nolasco, Johnson, Volstad, and even Anibal Sanchez. Everyone forgets about the steady, consistent Olsen. So, for giving us more chances to win than anyone else and still being considered inferior, I nominated Scott Olsen for the most under-appreciated player on the team. I second this- ans he's really matured from the fighting southpaw to a calm and calculated southpaw. To be honest, him wanting to be the ace seems to have picked everybody up in a 'Well if he can do it, I definatly can" type of way.
July 23, 200818 yr As soon as I saw the thread it was an easy choice for me: Rick Vanden Hurk. I drive his bandwagon and think people are still sleeping on his abilities. His stuff is better than any pitcher on our entire staff right now (save maybe JJ, who I also think Marlin fan's underrate) and if he ever learns how to put it all together and gains a little more endurance, his ceiling is a #2 possible #1 ace type. I like him that much.
July 23, 200818 yr this may cause some controversy but im gonna say: Kevin Gregg Why? He has 6 wins, 20 saves and a 2.49 ERA. Other than a couple of bad games in Colorado he has only allowed 3 runs in June + July. And he showed great bouncebackability after Denver with 5 saves in the next week. Yes he walks too many. Yes he makes things far too nerve-wracking at times. But more often that not he does his job and that is closing out games. Gregg would be second on my list, I was quick to assume he was awful, but when he is on he is very tough. Props.
July 23, 200818 yr Author this may cause some controversy but im gonna say: Kevin Gregg Why? He has 6 wins, 20 saves and a 2.49 ERA. Other than a couple of bad games in Colorado he has only allowed 3 runs in June + July. And he showed great bouncebackability after Denver with 5 saves in the next week. Yes he walks too many. Yes he makes things far too nerve-wracking at times. But more often that not he does his job and that is closing out games. He has 6 wins because he blew games and our team won in the end. Kevin Gregg has a 1.29 ERA in his 6 wins. So it's not really fair to say that about him. Btw, he has 10 decisions.
July 23, 200818 yr i got to go with olsen because he has been by far the most dependable starter, probably the only one we can say that about. We havent worried about his health since missing the first week. But lately i gotta say Amezaga, having a great month but where is the love?
July 23, 200818 yr Do I only have to pick one? :/ Amezaga and Cody. Those two have center fielding down to a science. They are so exciting to watch. Most of our team, past Hanley and now Uggla (only cause of the HRs) is underappreciated.
July 23, 200818 yr On this board, Jeremy Hermida. Yep... people forget he's only 24 and that he put up great numbers back in high school. Yeah, why couldn't he hit .296/.369/.501 last year and .340/.401/.555 in the 2nd half?
July 23, 200818 yr On this board, Jeremy Hermida. Yep... people forget he's only 24 and that he put up great numbers back in high school. Yeah, why couldn't he hit .296/.369/.501 last year and .340/.401/.555 in the 2nd half? If he played his entire career like he did the 2nd half of last year I would join you in the Jeremy bandwagon but unfortunately other than those 72 games he has stunk.
July 23, 200818 yr Author On this board, Jeremy Hermida. Yep... people forget he's only 24 and that he put up great numbers back in high school. Yeah, why couldn't he hit .296/.369/.501 last year and .340/.401/.555 in the 2nd half? If he played his entire career like he did the 2nd half of last year I would join you in the Jeremy bandwagon but unfortunately other than those 72 games he has stunk. He's 24 years old. We're so high on some minor league players, and fact is, a lot of them are the same age. In the last 365 days (that's 1 year on Earth), Hermida has hit .292 with an .838 .OPS. And there's no reason to believe he won't be better 3 years from now when he reaches his prime, and we leave the football stadium. Jeremy Hermida is a .283, .821 .OPS hitter (career) on the road. Those #'s aren't bad, at all. It's at home where he struggles. And lets not forget, he's shown that he's a 2nd half player, in his early career. 1st half : .256 avg., .752 .OPS 2nd half : .293 avg., .851 .OPS That's a 99 point difference in .OPS (in his career) from the 1st half to the 2nd half.
July 23, 200818 yr Im going with Cantu... almost up to .300 batting and has a chance for 30 HR 90 RBI season... can easily get overlooked when so many players on our team are hitting so many HRs. I think Cantu gets tons of love. Not enough :mad
July 23, 200818 yr Hendrickson. He's soldified the pitching staff with his 6+ ERA I would actually go with Amezega
July 23, 200818 yr And lets not forget, he's shown that he's a 2nd half player, in his early career. 1st half : .256 avg., .752 .OPS 2nd half : .293 avg., .851 .OPS He has played two full seasons, '06 and '07, and in one of them, '06, he OPSed .601 in the 2nd half so I don't take it for granted that he's a 2nd half player.
July 23, 200818 yr Author And lets not forget, he's shown that he's a 2nd half player, in his early career. 1st half : .256 avg., .752 .OPS 2nd half : .293 avg., .851 .OPS He has played two full seasons, '06 and '07, and in one of them, '06, he OPSed .601 in the 2nd half so I don't take it for granted that he's a 2nd half player. Good point I'm still expecting a nice 2nd half from Hermida, though.
July 23, 200818 yr Offensivley Cantu has been more than advertised, he's ceratinly not getting a lot of recognition for the job he's done replacing Miggy. I think Nelson and Waechter are having quietly solid seasons in the pen and really stepped it up to help when Gardner and then Kensing/Tankersley went ineffective.
July 23, 200818 yr I'm going with... Scott Olsen Reasoning: Scott Olsen has given us more chances to win than anyone else. While Nolasco has been pushed as our "ace", Scotty has been steadier. He has more starts of 7 innings or more (9 vs 7), has more quality starts (12 vs 11) and a higher percentage of quality starts (60% vs 58%). Scotty has only had 2 games with 5 or more earned runs, Nolasco has 4. Going into the 2nd half, all the talk has been about Nolasco, Johnson, Volstad, and even Anibal Sanchez. Everyone forgets about the steady, consistent Olsen. So, for giving us more chances to win than anyone else and still being considered inferior, I nominated Scott Olsen for the most under-appreciated player on the team. hes also been bad in many games. nolasco is the ace not because of when he pitches good, but because when he pitches bad, its not as bad as when olsen isnt on. so nolasco is better than olsen because he pitches better when he pitches bad (if that makes sense, probably not)
July 23, 200818 yr Author I'm going with... Scott Olsen Reasoning: Scott Olsen has given us more chances to win than anyone else. While Nolasco has been pushed as our "ace", Scotty has been steadier. He has more starts of 7 innings or more (9 vs 7), has more quality starts (12 vs 11) and a higher percentage of quality starts (60% vs 58%). Scotty has only had 2 games with 5 or more earned runs, Nolasco has 4. Going into the 2nd half, all the talk has been about Nolasco, Johnson, Volstad, and even Anibal Sanchez. Everyone forgets about the steady, consistent Olsen. So, for giving us more chances to win than anyone else and still being considered inferior, I nominated Scott Olsen for the most under-appreciated player on the team. hes also been bad in many games. nolasco is the ace not because of when he pitches good, but because when he pitches bad, its not as bad as when olsen isnt on. so nolasco is better than olsen because he pitches better when he pitches bad (if that makes sense, probably not) So basically Olsen is worse b/c of that 1 game in Colorado? :confused I'm gonna have to agree with Rab.
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