Joe Girardi Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Would we be able to make a trade as good as the actual trade last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 I dont think so. We got a 5 tool player and a left handed thrower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Terrible question, because you don't know what Cabrera's stats would've been against NL pitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 No, because have be on the last year of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Well for one, it would of likely signaled the apocalypse as Loria would of actually spent money instead of shoveling it into his pocket. That said, I like that we got Maybin and Miller, but while both have potential, both are projects, and the rest of the pieces in that trade are mediocre at best. I didnt think it was one of Beinfest's best trades back then and I still dont. But he was handcuffed by the MLB's resident carpet bagger so I dont really fault him. It wasnt a great trade by any means and is still not even a good trade, so that is my first problem with the question you posed. 2 projects with potential and 4 scrubs for a pitcher who had an admittedly bad year but still had(has) the skills to rebound and one of the best hitters in the game does not equal good trade. And you will always get a good haul for a player such as Miguel Cabrera, my 2nd problem with the question you posed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctina2277 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Well for one, it would of likely signaled the apocalypse as Loria would of actually spent money instead of shoveling it into his pocket. That said, I like that we got Maybin and Miller, but while both have potential, both are projects, and the rest of the pieces in that trade are mediocre at best. I didnt think it was one of Beinfest's best trades back then and I still dont. But he was handcuffed by the MLB's resident carpet bagger so I dont really fault him. It wasnt a great trade by any means and is still not even a good trade, so that is my first problem with the question you posed. 2 projects with potential and 4 scrubs for a pitcher who had an admittedly bad year but still had(has) the skills to rebound and one of the best hitters in the game does not equal good trade. And you will always get a good haul for a player such as Miguel Cabrera, my 2nd problem with the question you posed.  Projects? Do you mean prospects?   While I agree that it wasn't the best trade possible, Bienfest did what he could with what he was given and I, personally, don't regret the trade happened. I think Maybin will be a great player and I can't wait to see him grow, Miller has yet to prove himself so I'm not really sure what can be said about him and Cantu was phenomenal this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Well for one, it would of likely signaled the apocalypse as Loria would of actually spent money instead of shoveling it into his pocket. That said, I like that we got Maybin and Miller, but while both have potential, both are projects, and the rest of the pieces in that trade are mediocre at best. I didnt think it was one of Beinfest's best trades back then and I still dont. But he was handcuffed by the MLB's resident carpet bagger so I dont really fault him. It wasnt a great trade by any means and is still not even a good trade, so that is my first problem with the question you posed. 2 projects with potential and 4 scrubs for a pitcher who had an admittedly bad year but still had(has) the skills to rebound and one of the best hitters in the game does not equal good trade. And you will always get a good haul for a player such as Miguel Cabrera, my 2nd problem with the question you posed.  Projects? Do you mean prospects?   While I agree that it wasn't the best trade possible, Bienfest did what he could with what he was given and I, personally, don't regret the trade happened. I think Maybin will be a great player and I can't wait to see him grow, Miller has yet to prove himself so I'm not really sure what can be said about him and Cantu was phenomenal this year. No, I meant projects. Granted, they are prospects as well, but projects at the same time. Maybin has trouble with breaking pitches and Miller was rushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1az3 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Projects? Do you mean prospects?   While I agree that it wasn't the best trade possible, Bienfest did what he could with what he was given and I, personally, don't regret the trade happened. I think Maybin will be a great player and I can't wait to see him grow, Miller has yet to prove himself so I'm not really sure what can be said about him and Cantu was phenomenal this year. He means projects because they still in the learning phase and Cantu wasn't part of the trade. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctina2277 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 lol I know Cantu was not part of the trade, I'm saying that we never would have acquired Cantu had we kept Cabrera and that we obviously wouldn't have seen what he did this year. But thanks for thanks for the clarification about projects/prospects! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Am I the only one who thinks De La Cruz can become quite a solid big league reliever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Am I the only one who thinks De La Cruz can become quite a solid big league reliever? no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Am I the only one who thinks De La Cruz can become quite a solid big league reliever?  I think he can be, but he struggled alot this year when he was up with the marlins. Still, Maybin, miller, and De Le cruz can make this trade work out in our favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1az3 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Am I the only one who thinks De La Cruz can become quite a solid big league reliever? Well, De La Cruz haven't proven him self. But from what he has shown us, he will only be a below average RP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchingWinsGames Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 you guys are judging Frankie (de la cruz) by a cup of coffee... he may not be gangbusters out of the gate, but he'll be fine sooner than later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nny Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 what DLC did in ALB was VERY impressive. I'm high on him. He gets a lot of GBs, his control is improving, he throws absolute heat out of the BP. Don't think he'll pass as a starter but he should be a very nice relief pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Well for one, it would of likely signaled the apocalypse as Loria would of actually spent money instead of shoveling it into his pocket. That said, I like that we got Maybin and Miller, but while both have potential, both are projects, and the rest of the pieces in that trade are mediocre at best. I didnt think it was one of Beinfest's best trades back then and I still dont. But he was handcuffed by the MLB's resident carpet bagger so I dont really fault him. It wasnt a great trade by any means and is still not even a good trade, so that is my first problem with the question you posed. 2 projects with potential and 4 scrubs for a pitcher who had an admittedly bad year but still had(has) the skills to rebound and one of the best hitters in the game does not equal good trade. And you will always get a good haul for a player such as Miguel Cabrera, my 2nd problem with the question you posed.  Projects? Do you mean prospects?   While I agree that it wasn't the best trade possible, Bienfest did what he could with what he was given and I, personally, don't regret the trade happened. I think Maybin will be a great player and I can't wait to see him grow, Miller has yet to prove himself so I'm not really sure what can be said about him and Cantu was phenomenal this year. No, I meant projects. Granted, they are prospects as well, but projects at the same time. Maybin has trouble with breaking pitches and Miller was rushed. I agree with you on Miller, but I wouldn't call a guy who couldn't legally drink at the start of a season a "project". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madman81 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 If the Marlins had kept Cabrera, you would have asked one less stupid question on this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Am I the only one who thinks De La Cruz can become quite a solid big league reliever? Well, De La Cruz haven't proven him self. But from what he has shown us, he will only be a below average RP. Haha, usually when you say one negative sentence about someone, and the second sentence starts with "But," you expect the second sentence to be at least somewhat positive. Not here - "He hasn't been that good. But, he's not that good." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarlinPride Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Am I the only one who thinks De La Cruz can become quite a solid big league reliever?  I have hopea, but dose he have another pitch that he can throw for strikes other then a Fastball because he can throw hard and if he develpos a nice breaking or off speed pitch he can be a great asset in our pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Girardi Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Terrible question, because you don't know what Cabrera's stats would've been against NL pitching What are you talking about? DH affect pitchers, not hitters. If Cabrera stayed with the team, we would had 4 infielders with 30+ HR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Terrible question, because you don't know what Cabrera's stats would've been against NL pitching What are you talking about? DH affect pitchers, not hitters. If Cabrera stayed with the team, we would had 4 infielders with 30+ HR. The conventional wisdom is that AL pitching is better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Terrible question, because you don't know what Cabrera's stats would've been against NL pitching What are you talking about? DH affect pitchers, not hitters. If Cabrera stayed with the team, we would had 4 infielders with 30+ HR.  He was talking about trade value, and if Cabrera had to face NL pitching, he most likely would've had completely different stats. That is why it is stupid to ask if we kept him could we have made just a good of a trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Terrible question, because you don't know what Cabrera's stats would've been against NL pitching What are you talking about? DH affect pitchers, not hitters. If Cabrera stayed with the team, we would had 4 infielders with 30+ HR.  He was talking about trade value, and if Cabrera had to face NL pitching, he most likely would've had completely different stats. That is why it is stupid to ask if we kept him could we have made just a good of a trade So it' terrible to start any hypothetical question, like "Can Mark Prior help our bullpen?", because we can't tell the future? Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarlinPride Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Terrible question, because you don't know what Cabrera's stats would've been against NL pitching What are you talking about? DH affect pitchers, not hitters. If Cabrera stayed with the team, we would had 4 infielders with 30+ HR.  Yea but thats not really important and was a difference of 1 HR for Cantu to have 30. But id rather have a guy who can produce offesivly and play good defensivley for less money then a guy who will hit a few more hr and a few more RBI with a lot more errors for as much as 3 Times more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Terrible question, because you don't know what Cabrera's stats would've been against NL pitching What are you talking about? DH affect pitchers, not hitters. If Cabrera stayed with the team, we would had 4 infielders with 30+ HR.  He was talking about trade value, and if Cabrera had to face NL pitching, he most likely would've had completely different stats. That is why it is stupid to ask if we kept him could we have made just a good of a trade So it' terrible to start any hypothetical question, like "Can Mark Prior help our bullpen?", because we can't tell the future? Ridiculous.  damnit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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