MarlinsLou Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Maybe they signed Helms because McPherson is a FA this year and they don't wanna resign him. That way they have a good 3 man platoon btw Sanchez, Cantu, and Helms. I honestly don't see how McPherson is so great anyways. I think that Sanchez and Cantu are way better than him. It would be pretty silly for the franchise to not resign McPherson after he led the minor leagues in home runs. This could be a Jack Cust situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Maybe they signed Helms because McPherson is a FA this year and they don't wanna resign him. That way they have a good 3 man platoon btw Sanchez, Cantu, and Helms. I honestly don't see how McPherson is so great anyways. I think that Sanchez and Cantu are way better than him. It would be pretty silly for the franchise to not resign McPherson after he led the minor leagues in home runs. This could be a Jack Cust situation. McPherson is much better than a Jack Cust. Check out his other numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Maybe they signed Helms because McPherson is a FA this year and they don't wanna resign him. That way they have a good 3 man platoon btw Sanchez, Cantu, and Helms. I honestly don't see how McPherson is so great anyways. I think that Sanchez and Cantu are way better than him. It would be pretty silly for the franchise to not resign McPherson after he led the minor leagues in home runs. This could be a Jack Cust situation. McPherson is much better than a Jack Cust. Check out his other numbers. When McPherson hits back to back season of .851 and .912 OPS at the MLB level get back to me. We could only dream something that awesome would happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 You could do better than a mid-level prospect for Scott Olsen or Kevin Gregg Maybe slightly better, but I think that would be pushing it. Yea, because 24 year old durable lefties are run of the mill. And hate on Gregg all you want, he's a pretty good arm in the bullpen and could close if need to be too. Agree. Real good middle relief and can close, either in emergency or to rest the regular closer. ut that projected $4 mil contract is going to limit who we can trade him to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Whatever he is, he's not a closer, making his value decrease. You couldn't be more wrong here. He can be a closer for teams, he is more than adequate out of the pen. He can be a 1 year commitment versus signing Fuentes or K-Rod to $40-75 million dollar deals, to a team with bullpen issues. Additionally, putting Gregg as your closer for 1 seasons assures him of being a type A free agent after the season. This will give whoever we trade him TWO first round compensatory draft picks when he leaves in free agency the next year. This will recoup the prospect investment a team will have to give up to get him. This is a big deal. They don't have to 'mortgage the future' by sending us a good prospect for 1 season of him, because they will simply be able to draft new ones. He makes a lot of sense for mid market contending teams, like Cleveland or Milwaukee, who have a little cash to spend and need to upgrade their bullpen. This is exactly why Arizona traded the house for Dunn, they are getting draft picks for him. It's very likely Gregg brings a very nice prospect back. Completely agree with Lou here. Pretty much a rarity. I have no idea what Cleve and Mil's minor league system or tradeable ML players looks like tho. We can get something good in return for him. He does fill a couple holes at once for the right team. The Mets are another team that he would fit in well with. Problem is that their minor league system is already raped and they really have no one on the ML roster I would be interested in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Maybe they signed Helms because McPherson is a FA this year and they don't wanna resign him. That way they have a good 3 man platoon btw Sanchez, Cantu, and Helms. I honestly don't see how McPherson is so great anyways. I think that Sanchez and Cantu are way better than him. It would be pretty silly for the franchise to not resign McPherson after he led the minor leagues in home runs. This could be a Jack Cust situation. Now this is where me and Lou really disagree. We have gone a few rounds on this topic. No sense in continuing it on this thread. But the only way I would even want Dallas on this team is if we get diddley in return from our trades and he rides the bench just in case Gaby fails miserably. I'm still holding out any kind of judgement until we see what the trades bring in return. Main reason is that I think the FO knows we are just a player or two away and we will be getting one or two ML ready players in return, unlike trades in the past. And/or they go the way they did last season at 3B. Bring in one or two surprise players to compete for the 1B slot IF Jake is traded. (I agree that I think he will, but there is always that IF) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Maybe they signed Helms because McPherson is a FA this year and they don't wanna resign him. That way they have a good 3 man platoon btw Sanchez, Cantu, and Helms. I honestly don't see how McPherson is so great anyways. I think that Sanchez and Cantu are way better than him. It would be pretty silly for the franchise to not resign McPherson after he led the minor leagues in home runs. This could be a Jack Cust situation. Now this is where me and Lou really disagree. We have gone a few rounds on this topic. No sense in continuing it on this thread. But the only way I would even want Dallas on this team is if we get diddley in return from our trades and he rides the bench just in case Gaby fails miserably. I'm still holding out any kind of judgement until we see what the trades bring in return. Main reason is that I think the FO knows we are just a player or two away and we will be getting one or two ML ready players in return, unlike trades in the past. And/or they go the way they did last season at 3B. Bring in one or two surprise players to compete for the 1B slot IF Jake is traded. (I agree that I think he will, but there is always that IF) Disagreeing with the notion McPherson won't be on this team is crazy. He has a lot of upside, and we don't have longterm depth at 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Maybe they signed Helms because McPherson is a FA this year and they don't wanna resign him. That way they have a good 3 man platoon btw Sanchez, Cantu, and Helms. I honestly don't see how McPherson is so great anyways. I think that Sanchez and Cantu are way better than him. The problem with your proposed platoon is that it consists of 3 right-handed hitters. The reason to platoon with McPherson in place of Helms there is because he mashes lefties. He may or may not ever be good enough to start everyday, but his numbers show he can crush the southpaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 We could probably get three mid-level prospects for each of them. Even better would be trading more than one of them to a certain team in order to get an above average pospect. Or we can package them and maybe get something a little nicer? I think our prospect depth is enough, I would rather go after already proven pitching for the bullpen, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanleyDavidson Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 One name ..... Matt Holliday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambo McDonald Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 One name ..... Matt Holliday! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1az3 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 One name ..... Matt Holliday! That's just crazy talk... but I like it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 One name ..... Matt Holliday! SERIOUS trade talk. Serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I just want some reliable quality bullpen guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisiMooMoo Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I just want some reliable quality bullpen guys Word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30plus Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 If we could net a proven, established bullpen arm for Jacobs alone, I'll be more than satisfied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theGateKeeper Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 We probably don't need more outfielders, unless they're veterans who could make an immediate impact. We need a couplecorner outfielders. Not with the prospects the Marlins have coming up soon. besides raynor we dont have anyone who is a corner outfielder that is coming up anytime soon. Scott Cousins, Hermida, Ross, Maybin, Willingham, Carroll, Amezaga is a crowded outfield What makes you think they will all be here in spring training? That would be opposite Loria's commitment to losing.I'm surprised he is keeping the manager.....how dare he win and cost him more in salaries!!! Mark my words..........the Marlins will NOT have another winning season in the near future!!! Loria's beginning to remind me of the owner in the movie Major League. Up until recently, I have been VERY supportive of the Marlins and have posted messages to that end but, when I hear of the upcoming "sell off" of this team, yet again, I'm wondering why I even bother being a fan. If they would keep this team together and stay on this course, I would be fine with it. But,spending a mere 22 million last year and a possibility of it getting into the $30 million range this year seems like its too much to ask from Loria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Maybe they signed Helms because McPherson is a FA this year and they don't wanna resign him. That way they have a good 3 man platoon btw Sanchez, Cantu, and Helms. I honestly don't see how McPherson is so great anyways. I think that Sanchez and Cantu are way better than him. It would be pretty silly for the franchise to not resign McPherson after he led the minor leagues in home runs. This could be a Jack Cust situation. Now this is where me and Lou really disagree. We have gone a few rounds on this topic. No sense in continuing it on this thread. But the only way I would even want Dallas on this team is if we get diddley in return from our trades and he rides the bench just in case Gaby fails miserably. I'm still holding out any kind of judgement until we see what the trades bring in return. Main reason is that I think the FO knows we are just a player or two away and we will be getting one or two ML ready players in return, unlike trades in the past. And/or they go the way they did last season at 3B. Bring in one or two surprise players to compete for the 1B slot IF Jake is traded. (I agree that I think he will, but there is always that IF) Disagreeing with the notion McPherson won't be on this team is crazy. He has a lot of upside, and we don't have longterm depth at 3B. Well Lou. I have been called worse. LOL Like I keep saying, we just have to wait and see what the trades bring us in return. But IF Jake is traded then I just don't see what the improvement to the infield will be by trading one guy that Ks alot and has a questionable glove and basically replacing him at the other corner with a guy that Ks alot and has a questionable glove. Everytime I bring up all those Ks you keep saying "Who cares? He'll walk alot." Beinfest cares, as does the FO. Check out their comments. But let's wait and see what the trades bring. Check out the part of my previous post that I just bolded. Ignoring that is just crazy and it is what I have kept saying. I don't want the guy here but if he is our only option come ST, then it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 What makes you think they will all be here in spring training? That would be opposite Loria's commitment to losing.I'm surprised he is keeping the manager.....how dare he win and cost him more in salaries!!! Mark my words..........the Marlins will NOT have another winning season in the near future!!! Loria's beginning to remind me of the owner in the movie Major League. Up until recently, I have been VERY supportive of the Marlins and have posted messages to that end but, when I hear of the upcoming "sell off" of this team, yet again, I'm wondering why I even bother being a fan. If they would keep this team together and stay on this course, I would be fine with it. But,spending a mere 22 million last year and a possibility of it getting into the $30 million range this year seems like its too much to ask from Loria. I am willing to bet everything i have that the marlins will have a winning season in the near future. Hell, Im willing to bet everything i have that the marlins will have a winning season next year. How can you not be a fan of this team. With the mere 30-35 million dollars, which the payroll will be, the marlins can field the most competetive baseball team in the NL east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBob27 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 What makes you think they will all be here in spring training? That would be opposite Loria's commitment to losing.I'm surprised he is keeping the manager.....how dare he win and cost him more in salaries!!! Mark my words..........the Marlins will NOT have another winning season in the near future!!! Loria's beginning to remind me of the owner in the movie Major League. Up until recently, I have been VERY supportive of the Marlins and have posted messages to that end but, when I hear of the upcoming "sell off" of this team, yet again, I'm wondering why I even bother being a fan. If they would keep this team together and stay on this course, I would be fine with it. But,spending a mere 22 million last year and a possibility of it getting into the $30 million range this year seems like its too much to ask from Loria. It's good to see you finally came out of that long coma. But you need to update yourself on current events before posting such jibberish. Most of us will take into account your obvious lack of knowledge and the reason behind it, but some aren't so patient or understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 What makes you think they will all be here in spring training? That would be opposite Loria's commitment to losing.I'm surprised he is keeping the manager.....how dare he win and cost him more in salaries!!! Mark my words..........the Marlins will NOT have another winning season in the near future!!! Loria's beginning to remind me of the owner in the movie Major League. Up until recently, I have been VERY supportive of the Marlins and have posted messages to that end but, when I hear of the upcoming "sell off" of this team, yet again, I'm wondering why I even bother being a fan. If they would keep this team together and stay on this course, I would be fine with it. But,spending a mere 22 million last year and a possibility of it getting into the $30 million range this year seems like its too much to ask from Loria. Loria wants this team to win more than anything, and to say otherwise is extremely ignorant. Yes, he has a track record of being cheap. But he also has a track record of putting this team in the best position to win while staying within the means of his business; remember, this IS a business. He has shown us over and over, when the team shows progress he will dip into his pockets a little and bite the bullett. Going into '03, he needed to make an impression on this fanbase and we had a talented roster heading into the season. What happened? Pudge Rodriguez comes in (which this website knew before the entire baseball world... if you old-school board members remember) and we win a championship. Then, he made the commitment to keep that nucleus around for two more years, also adding Delgado in '05, while he lost money (maybe not as much as he said, but he did lose money) and this team clearly underperformed. After two years of major losses from a team that certainly underperformed, I actually think they made the right move by making the deals they did. I think the rest of baseball could learn from some of the methods of this franchise. Sometimes, you just need to cut your losses and start over again. If a team like the Yankees could ever just learn to let the public chill out for two years and not let ego get in the way, they could save themselves a lot of money and a lot of losses by maybe building up the way we have since '06. I think this franchise, heading into 2009, is possibly in the best position it has ever been in heading into any season. We have massive talent, plenty of which is expendable, and a farm system that has never been this strong or balanced. You can be pesimistic all you like, but I for one am very optimistic. As long as this team performs, Loria will commit. If they don't, he won't stand around and lose millions. Here's to hoping for 90 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knglover Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 What makes you think they will all be here in spring training? That would be opposite Loria's commitment to losing.I'm surprised he is keeping the manager.....how dare he win and cost him more in salaries!!! Mark my words..........the Marlins will NOT have another winning season in the near future!!! Loria's beginning to remind me of the owner in the movie Major League. Up until recently, I have been VERY supportive of the Marlins and have posted messages to that end but, when I hear of the upcoming "sell off" of this team, yet again, I'm wondering why I even bother being a fan. If they would keep this team together and stay on this course, I would be fine with it. But,spending a mere 22 million last year and a possibility of it getting into the $30 million range this year seems like its too much to ask from Loria. Loria wants this team to win more than anything, and to say otherwise is extremely ignorant. Yes, he has a track record of being cheap. But he also has a track record of putting this team in the best position to win while staying within the means of his business; remember, this IS a business. He has shown us over and over, when the team shows progress he will dip into his pockets a little and bite the bullett. Going into '03, he needed to make an impression on this fanbase and we had a talented roster heading into the season. What happened? Pudge Rodriguez comes in (which this website knew before the entire baseball world... if you old-school board members remember) and we win a championship. Then, he made the commitment to keep that nucleus around for two more years, also adding Delgado in '05, while he lost money (maybe not as much as he said, but he did lose money) and this team clearly underperformed. After two years of major losses from a team that certainly underperformed, I actually think they made the right move by making the deals they did. I think the rest of baseball could learn from some of the methods of this franchise. Sometimes, you just need to cut your losses and start over again. If a team like the Yankees could ever just learn to let the public chill out for two years and not let ego get in the way, they could save themselves a lot of money and a lot of losses by maybe building up the way we have since '06. I think this franchise, heading into 2009, is possibly in the best position it has ever been in heading into any season. We have massive talent, plenty of which is expendable, and a farm system that has never been this strong or balanced. You can be pesimistic all you like, but I for one am very optimistic. As long as this team performs, Loria will commit. If they don't, he won't stand around and lose millions. Here's to hoping for 90 wins. Here Here! I haven't read jibberish like that in months on this board. Great retort. That really sounded like the musings of a drunkard rather than a well conceived thought. I am with ya on the Loria bandwagon. Up until recently I haven't been but the man has a business to run and those that think it is his resposibility to lose money for the sake of entertaining empty seats which he pays lease on regardless if they are filled or not, really have no concept of the business model in the simplist forms. Furthermore, its irratating to read negative posts when this should be one of the most exciting offseasons in team history. If people can't understand that the players we bring into camp next year are being brought in to make a realistic run for ring number three, then shame on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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