Posted May 12, 200916 yr Discuss Cameron Maybin here, please. Do you think his 95 PAs this past month are more indicative of his true ability than his 1300 successful PAs in the minors? or Do you have a brain? Well I don't really care. But there needs to be a place to discuss arguably the most important position prospect in our system.
May 12, 200916 yr ... in discussion of Maybin, if we don't want this to get sidetracked (doubtful), I honestly think all Maybin needs to do is be sent down, was desperately needed, work on seeing some minor league pitching, tweaking his swing a little bit, getting himself into a little bit of a groove, and get called up when he develops some sort of hot streak.
May 12, 200916 yr Author I just think drawing ANY conclusions based on any 100 at bat sample size is pretty dumb. He's not ready right now, yeah. As a rookie, Hanley had a month of like a .560 OPS. This stuff happens with young players.
May 12, 200916 yr Do we have to chose one of the options in the OP? I'm not sure I understand. I think I have a brain. Does that statement alone prove that I have one? Maybe I'm nothing more than a brain... in a test tube being prodded by mad scientists. If so, whichever scientist "created" some of these characters on MB.com/forums is a twisted individual.
May 12, 200916 yr Author Also: I think, therefore I am. So maybe you have a brain. Or maybe you think you have a brain, but you don't really exist. Either way, Cameron Maybin!
May 12, 200916 yr I think sending him down was right. I thought a few times after he had decent games that he was coming around only to watch him fall on his face the next game. I'm not gonna say he sucks after a few games. Now if he goes down to triple a and blows something is wrong.
May 12, 200916 yr It was the right move, he needs more seasoning and I will be waiting to see him later on in the season once he gets more AB's in there. He has tremendous talent and will be a very important part to the future of this team. I'm rooting for you Maybin!
May 12, 200916 yr Do you think his 95 PAs this past month are more indicative of his true ability than his 1300 successful PAs in the minors? No. But the 95 PAs should not be ignored. I don't understand how some people can be as certain now that he'll have a successful MLB career as they were six weeks ago.
May 12, 200916 yr Author Giving that I don't think anyone would disagree that he deserves a trip to New Orleans, it should be noted that we will probably have the following three OPSes in our lineup, courtesy of Boner, Ross and Uggla: .606 (.498 over the last 30 days...) .600 .662 Also, depending on how Fredi feels, we may also see one of these two, depending on if he wants to get Amezaga and Helms a look: .507 .548 Is Maybin the fall guy for our offense? I don't know. But nobody else is being penalized for similarly awful or worse production.
May 12, 200916 yr Author Do you think his 95 PAs this past month are more indicative of his true ability than his 1300 successful PAs in the minors? No. But the 95 PAs should not be ignored. I don't understand how some people can be as certain now that he'll have a successful MLB career as they were six weeks ago. Because 100 ABs is not enough of a sample size to make that kind of judgement. I'm honestly mostly just going to ignore it. My opinion on Bonifacio hasn't changed significantly because of 100 ABs, and neither has my opinion on Ross or Uggla.
May 12, 200916 yr Maybin is not ready yet. He has to adjust mentally. Physically he's O.K. what his body language tells everybody he thinks that he has the world to prove. Wrong! He's got the talent but he needs to calm down and have better judgement of the strike zone, either batting eigth or any other spot he still swings way too much pitches off the plate. Let alone his running blunders. AAA will help him regain focus and confidence, Maybin has all it takes to be successful at Major League Level, he just needs seasoning and time will tell
May 12, 200916 yr There have been plenty of guys who have had poor rookie seasons and went on to have great careers. To name a couple, Michael Jack Schmidt and Ty Cobb. Mike Schmidt:196/.324/.373 Ty Cobb's: .240/.288/.300 I still believe in Cameron Maybin's ability. Even if he comes back up to the Bigs and continues to struggle, I'll still believe in his ability. He's got too much talent to be a bust. All will be fine in the long run, we just need to give it time.
May 12, 200916 yr Author I don't really agree he's the most important position player prospect. He's supposed to fill in what has been easily our weakest position since 2004, we need him to be successful to justify the Cabrera trade, and none of our other top prospects are as close as he is. Stanton and Morrison are too far away to truly consider as important as Maybin at this point. They aren't in the short term.
May 12, 200916 yr I don't really agree he's the most important position player prospect. Michael Stanton ftw
May 12, 200916 yr Author If Stanton craps out, he's far off enough where you can make some kind of back up plan. If Maybin craps out, our CF situation is back to the Amezaga's and De Aza's of the world.
May 12, 200916 yr Giving that I don't think anyone would disagree that he deserves a trip to New Orleans, it should be noted that we will probably have the following three OPSes in our lineup, courtesy of Boner, Ross and Uggla: .606 (.498 over the last 30 days...) .600 .662 Also, depending on how Fredi feels, we may also see one of these two, depending on if he wants to get Amezaga and Helms a look: .507 .548 Is Maybin the fall guy for our offense? I don't know. But nobody else is being penalized for similarly awful or worse production. I don't see how Amezaga is an upgrade over Cody Ross. I also don't see how we don't trust Uggla, at this point. We don't have other options, really. If you want to replace Bonifacio, fine, but the other 2 have track records, and just like with Maybin, I wouldn't just give up on them after a month and a half. I also don't mind the Maybin move b/c he clearly was struggling, and the last thing we need is for one of our better prospects to absolutely lose confidence. Regardless, Cody and Uggla have track records at this level that prove they belong. Not only that, but you have to hope Uggla gets it going, not only for this year's team, but for his trade value, as well, b/c from the looks of it, he won't be here long-term. We are not the Washington Natinals. EDIT: Btw, I'd like to make a thread, right now, but I don't know how some would take it. To some it would be funny...to some trollish. Ah, whatever...I won't make it.
May 12, 200916 yr Author I'm talking about holding guys accountable for their actions. Maybin was sent down because he needs to be. But at some point you have to say enough is enough and make some changes, even if only for change's sake.
May 12, 200916 yr I'm talking about holding guys accountable for their actions. Maybin was sent down because he needs to be. But at some point you have to say enough is enough and make some changes, even if only for change's sake. To make a change, we would need to replace them with someone. The only bench player, at the moment, I wouldn't mind getting a good share of starts is Ross Gload. Aside from that, they pretty much need to be on the bench, getting spot starts here & there.
May 12, 200916 yr I think it's hard for some to take because it feels like a double-whammy when both Miller and Maybin arrive on the scene with a lot of fanfare and then they both struggle. And when you deal a player like Miggy you want future stars in return. Personally I'm not panicking in the least (at least not yet). I'm bummed though, I really was looking forward to watching Maybin this season.
May 12, 200916 yr Author I'd like to see Coghlan starting every day at 2nd, 3rd, or LF. That's how you give each of those guys time on the bench.
May 12, 200916 yr I'd like to see Coghlan starting every day at 2nd, 3rd, or LF. That's how you give each of those guys time on the bench. Moving Hermida back to RF will only hurt him.
May 12, 200916 yr Author I'd like to see Coghlan starting every day at 2nd, 3rd, or LF. That's how you give each of those guys time on the bench. Moving Hermida back to RF will only hurt him. I understand all of these arguments. I know it's not necessarily good from a baseball point of view. But we've already stated we don't mind a few miscues in the outfield, so I take it that we're looking to get the offense going.
May 12, 200916 yr I'd like to see Coghlan starting every day at 2nd, 3rd, or LF. That's how you give each of those guys time on the bench. Then again, Coghlan needs to show he can hit, at this level, too. (I mean, I'm sure he can...but can he do it now? He, too, is a rookie) I'd like to see Wes Helms getting starts at 3B against lefties, for the time being. I see that as an upgrade. As far as the OF, with Maybin's struggles, there's not much you can do. As I said, if it was me, the regular starting lineup would have Bonifacio out, with Coghlan at 3B, and Gload at RF. Gload is doing something not many others are doing, at the moment...getting on base. That, to me, would be the best alternative, for the time being. Having Amezaga/Carroll getting regular starts in the OF isn't going to do anything, though.
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