Cody Ross and Dan Uggla are still hitting the ball hard, though.

 

Cody has a 21.6% LD rate atm, but just a .253 BABIP. That should rise. Career 21% LD rate and .293 BABIP.

 

The concerns for him are his higher GB% rate and lower FB% rate (currently 1.23 GB/FB, last year: 0.83) which is why his SLG is down. This should more or less "fix itself" though. The other concern is he's not walking like he normally does (6.7% last year, 7.1% in his career, just 3.3% this year). But outside of his BB% and GB/FB, all his other peripherals are on match, he's still making good enough contact% and still getting a lot of LD, I don't view him as that much of something to worry about.

 

Uggla is more or less the same. Infact, he's even more of an anomoly. He has actually cut down on his K-rates, his LD rates are still on his career norm of 16% but his BABIP is 100 points under his career BABIP. You want bad luck, there's your bad luck. Almost all of his peripherals have improved this year, he's really not somebody I'm worried about.

I'm not necessarily worried either. I'm just saying if maybin is going to be sent down, let's change it all up. Let's go crazy. Why no.

 

Boner shouldn't be starting right now. That's for damn sure. But he's going to continue starting because we dumb.

we dumb.

 

ftw

I'm not necessarily worried either. I'm just saying if maybin is going to be sent down, let's change it all up. Let's go crazy. Why no.

 

Boner shouldn't be starting right now. That's for damn sure. But he's going to continue starting because we dumb.

 

 

Starting Bonifacio & leading off with him is certainly dumb, but benching Uggla & Cody Ross, at the moment, isn't too bright either.

 

Also...Maybin has more potential, and means more to the future of this ballclub than any of these 3 guys. You can't afford a rookie with that potential, losing confidence in the majors, with every passing K.

What we should have done was send Bonifacio down and keep Maybin up. Basically, replace Bonifacio with Coghlan.

 

Then change out lineup to something like this:

 

1.Hermida(OBP machine)

2.Baker(Great #2 hitter, starting to hate this statement)

3.Ramirez(Beast)

4.Cantu(Beast)

5.Uggla(Struggling, but will pick it up soon)

6.Ross(Same as Uggla)

7.Coghlan/Maybin

8.Maybin/Coghlan

9.Pitcher

 

Something like that. OBP machines at the top with Ramirez and Cantu to drive them in. Sluggers in the middle with our two rookies in the bottom of the lineup so they don't ruin our offense.

I have felt for a while that it was pretty obvious that Coghlan was being brought up to play mostly 3B and put Bonifacio on the bench. Apparently it's not as obvious as I thought. I agree with Maybin being sent down as it seems like he got progressively more messed up mentally as time went on. Maybin got to the point where it wasn't just at the plate, but on the field and basepaths as well. Here's what I'd like to see:

 

Coghlan get the majority of starts at 3rd for awhile; if he can do what he's done in the he's exactly the type of hitter this lineup needs.

 

Bonifacio used as a pinch runner, spot starts at 2B, 3B, OF and maybe as a defensive replacement: This is his long term role anyway, might as well get used to it.

 

Hermida---Ross----Gload

Hermida---Mez----Ross

Hermida---Mez--- Gload

Ross---Mez----Gload

etc.

 

We should experiment and rotate some combination of this for the OF. Obviously the OF is a problem right now with Cody really struggling. However I believe he will turn it around and will eventually be fine. Ross proved he was more than adequate in CF last year so I would'nt mind him getting some starts here to get Gload in the lineup. Gload should really be getting as many opportunities as Amezaga right now as Mez is struggling and Gload is actually getting on base at a decent clip.

 

Right now it's not easy to set the lineup and some mixing and matching is gonna be needed but with that said the last two lineups Fredi has sent out have been terrible.

 

P.S. Dan Uggla will be just fine, and if he isn't this team is pretty much screwed anyway so the ^ doesn't matter too much.

I don't think I've seen one prospect list that has Stanton ahead of Maybin

 

Maybe because they thought Maybin was no longer a prospect. He most certainly still is, though, at least I hope. I wish he was an all-star like we all thought he'd be. :confused

Shouldn't this thread technically be in the Minor League Forum now... :whistle

Maybin got sent down because he wasn't showing any progression. His swing looked different week to week, and basically with no results. Maybe he was trying too hard. Maybe pitchers learned something from watching tape of him from his call up last season. This team is very lenient with "rookies" as long as they show they are learning and making adjustments. I kinda like that attitude. Maybin wasn't showing that. And I thought he took the demotion pretty well. He knows he has work to do. Let's see how he responds and how well our AAA coaches can work with him.

I don't think I've seen one prospect list that has Stanton ahead of Maybin

 

Maybe because they thought Maybin was no longer a prospect. He most certainly still is, though, at least I hope. I wish he was an all-star like we all thought he'd be. :confused

Maybin got sent down because he wasn't showing any progression. His swing looked different week to week, and basically with no results. Maybe he was trying too hard. Maybe pitchers learned something from watching tape of him from his call up last season. This team is very lenient with "rookies" as long as they show they are learning and making adjustments. I kinda like that attitude. Maybin wasn't showing that. And I thought he took the demotion pretty well. He knows he has work to do. Let's see how he responds and how well our AAA coaches can work with him.

The thing is the only thing that's going to help him get back to the way he was at the end of last year, no matter what the case, is seeing MLB pitching on a regular basis. Can't find that in AAA.

We can afford the extra developmental step now that were out of alb, so sending him down is the right move.

Not worried. Shouldn't have been up in the first place.

Do you think his 95 PAs this past month are more indicative of his true ability than his 1300 successful PAs in the minors?

No. But the 95 PAs should not be ignored. I don't understand how some people can be as certain now that he'll have a successful MLB career as they were six weeks ago.

 

Because 100 ABs is not enough of a sample size to make that kind of judgement. I'm honestly mostly just going to ignore it. My opinion on Bonifacio hasn't changed significantly because of 100 ABs, and neither has my opinion on Ross or Uggla.

I don't think it's a good idea to ignore a player's latest work especially when it's at the MLB level. 100 ABs doesn't carry the same weight as 200 ABs or 400 ABs but they do have some weight (50% of the weight of 200 ABs, for example) and should not be put aside as if they didn't happen.

When a player is 22 years old and still developing, 100 PAs really can't tell you much of anything. They can tell you if he's ready or not, but players aren't finished products at 22. We've gone over all this before. 100 PAs at the age of 22 isn't going to tell you much of anything long term because more than likely that player is going to improve exponentially in his skills. And ability.

When a player is 22 years old and still developing, 100 PAs really can't tell you much of anything. They can tell you if he's ready or not, but players aren't finished products at 22. We've gone over all this before. 100 PAs at the age of 22 isn't going to tell you much of anything long term because more than likely that player is going to improve exponentially in his skills. And ability.

For me, the Maybin situaton is dicey. You want him to see MLB pitching and see if he improves, but we also want to compete this year (I think) and with the offense struggling, you can't afford to have someone unproven struggling as much as he was, let alone when Boni is doing the same thing. Sending him down to AAA isn't going to hurt him, in my opinion.

 

Now, on a related note, I think Boni will eventually slide into Maybin's slot, that is, bat lower down in the order, then eventually be benched if he doesn't improve. It is happening slower than Maybin, because Maybin has much more raw talent and we think he can still develop. In a burning building, we are "rescuing" Maybin first. With Boni, it is like a used car, we are going to ride him until it becomes more than apparent he can't go any further.

 

All that being said, I hope both Boni and Maybin improve in their respective positions.

Maybin got sent down because he wasn't showing any progression. His swing looked different week to week, and basically with no results. Maybe he was trying too hard. Maybe pitchers learned something from watching tape of him from his call up last season. This team is very lenient with "rookies" as long as they show they are learning and making adjustments. I kinda like that attitude. Maybin wasn't showing that. And I thought he took the demotion pretty well. He knows he has work to do. Let's see how he responds and how well our AAA coaches can work with him.

The thing is the only thing that's going to help him get back to the way he was at the end of last year, no matter what the case, is seeing MLB pitching on a regular basis. Can't find that in AAA.

 

 

This is wrong, if you ask me.

 

If you send him down, it gives him time / less pressure to think about things, again.

 

There are many prospects who have received callups, gotten send down, and been better when they've been called up, again.

 

You can't just leave Maybin on the team racking up the K's, and in turn, losing his confidence.

 

It was beginning to show on the field, as well.

For me, the Maybin situaton is dicey. You want him to see MLB pitching and see if he improves, but we also want to compete this year (I think) and with the offense struggling, you can't afford to have someone unproven struggling as much as he was, let alone when Boni is doing the same thing. Sending him down to AAA isn't going to hurt him, in my opinion.

 

Now, on a related note, I think Boni will eventually slide into Maybin's slot, that is, bat lower down in the order, then eventually be benched if he doesn't improve. It is happening slower than Maybin, because Maybin has much more raw talent and we think he can still develop. In a burning building, we are "rescuing" Maybin first. With Boni, it is like a used car, we are going to ride him until it becomes more than apparent he can't go any further.

 

All that being said, I hope both Boni and Maybin improve in their respective positions.

 

I like this post. All posts on this site should be this good.

For me, the Maybin situaton is dicey. You want him to see MLB pitching and see if he improves, but we also want to compete this year (I think) and with the offense struggling, you can't afford to have someone unproven struggling as much as he was, let alone when Boni is doing the same thing. Sending him down to AAA isn't going to hurt him, in my opinion.

 

Now, on a related note, I think Boni will eventually slide into Maybin's slot, that is, bat lower down in the order, then eventually be benched if he doesn't improve. It is happening slower than Maybin, because Maybin has much more raw talent and we think he can still develop. In a burning building, we are "rescuing" Maybin first. With Boni, it is like a used car, we are going to ride him until it becomes more than apparent he can't go any further.

 

All that being said, I hope both Boni and Maybin improve in their respective positions.

 

Good analogy.

Maybin got sent down because he wasn't showing any progression. His swing looked different week to week, and basically with no results. Maybe he was trying too hard. Maybe pitchers learned something from watching tape of him from his call up last season. This team is very lenient with "rookies" as long as they show they are learning and making adjustments. I kinda like that attitude. Maybin wasn't showing that. And I thought he took the demotion pretty well. He knows he has work to do. Let's see how he responds and how well our AAA coaches can work with him.

The thing is the only thing that's going to help him get back to the way he was at the end of last year, no matter what the case, is seeing MLB pitching on a regular basis. Can't find that in AAA.

 

 

This is wrong, if you ask me.

 

If you send him down, it gives him time / less pressure to think about things, again.

 

There are many prospects who have received callups, gotten send down, and been better when they've been called up, again.

 

You can't just leave Maybin on the team racking up the K's, and in turn, losing his confidence.

 

It was beginning to show on the field, as well.

There are also many prospects, as Rab pointed out, that struggled initially in their rookie years, stayed up, figured things out, and went on to have great careers and even ROTY rookie seasons. Maybin is going to rack up the K's no matter what. It's how he is so that's irrelevant. He posted high K totals coming up at every level and didn't lose an ounce of confidence. What he needs is to learn what different pitches look like and get his timing down. There's no way he can do that in AAA and as he showed, it's hard to do in an irrelevant spot in the lineup. I just don't see how you take a guy, small sample size or not, who OPSed 1.105 in the leadoff spot in his cup of coffee stint and completely f*** up everything he did in that stint up by throwing him into the eight spot because you want to give the leadoff role to a type B prospect who has proven less than Maybin. That was the biggest mistake we could've made.

There are also many prospects, as Rab pointed out, that struggled initially in their rookie years, stayed up, figured things out, and went on to have great careers and even ROTY rookie seasons.

 

Uhh...I think it was me who pointed that out. Rab hasn't even made a single post in this thread

There are also many prospects, as Rab pointed out, that struggled initially in their rookie years, stayed up, figured things out, and went on to have great careers and even ROTY rookie seasons.

 

Uhh...I think it was me who pointed that out. Rab hasn't even made a single post in this thread

I think he means this from another thread:

TIME. MAYBIN AND MILLER NEED F*CKING TIME!

Please, when at 22 Grady Sizemore, in his first full season, hit .233/.253/.356 in the first month, do you think the Indians kept him up? Hell no, they sent his ass down.

 

 

Wait...excuse me? They gave him time? How'd that turn out? He was 23rd in MVP voting that year? Wow.

 

 

(Note, I'm not saying Maybin is going to be 23rd in MVP voting, I'm just pointing out that some people need to chill out and let time pass.)

I'm gonna play this game because I like it.

 

When he was 21 years old, in his first season, after 25 games, Cal Ripken Jr was hitting a pathetic .184/.211/.333! That's worse than Maybin! And did the Orioles send him down? HELL YEAH!

 

Wait...they didn't? How'd he do? Rookie of the Year, ey? Probably lucky, a 1 year thing. MVP the next year? Well, what's he up to these days? Wow.

 

(Once again, not saying Maybin is going to win Rookie of the Year and then win the MVP award, then go to the HOF, but just pointing things out because it's fun for me.)

I do mean that indeed.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content...follow_mic.html

 

A day after the Marlins sent him down, Cameron Maybin made his debut at Class AAA New Orleans on Monday and went 1-for-4 in the Zephyrs’ 5-3 loss to Albuquerque.

 

“He’s not the first guy who’s been sent down and come back and had a Hall of Fame career,’’ manager Fredi Gonzalez said on Sunday.

 

That comment got a couple of Marlins scribes wondering - just who were some Hall of Famers who were sent down after their major league debuts?

 

Quite a few, actually. Mickey Mantle, Carlton Fisk, Nolan Ryan, Goose Gossage and Billy Williams, according to some last-minute research from Freddy Berowski, a Research Associate at the National Baseball Hall of Fame & Museum.

 

Anyone out there think Maybin has what it takes to follow the Mick, Goose and Billy to Cooperstown?