I'm tired of people saying this.

 

Yup. And a good summary of why.

 

 

 

Agree. I don't completely agree with everything Erick said, but he did make some good points.

 

After just signing a two year extension, guiding the team to a winning record last season, and winning one of the MOY awards, Fredi isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. Wiley isn't either, even if Rosey could probably step right in. Presley, on the other hand, I'm starting to look a little harder at. But I don't write the pay checks.

I'm sorry, but the crappy product out on the field right now was put there by the front office. They're the ones who stuck us with no options and no flexibility in case guys like Maybin, Miller, Sanchez, etc. all played exactly like could have been predicted. We started the year without a realistic option for a 4th outfielder, with a slap hitting third basemen who can't hit or walk, and no starting pitching depth.

 

We've got a couple of guys who are underperforming, and another few that are injured. These things happen, and the front office should have foreseen it as well as a lot of us did and come up with appropriate fallback options. Instead, we shipped out whatever semblance of depth we had by trading Olsen and Willingham and not re-signing Gonzo. I realize that our payroll handicaps us somewhat, but there are guys out there who would have signed cheap deals to be here that we didn't pursue. We counted on every player performing at their best case scenario to even have a chance at competing. That's not the way you win.

 

I've said it before- we were a competitive team last year and didn't need to make wholesale changes to maintain that this year. We just needed to add capable starting pitching to last years squad.

 

When we ship out 30 homer hitting first basemen, starting pitchers, and Lfers for spare parts, I really have a hard time believing in this FO. They're the ones who let us down.

 

I agree with a lot of this. Hitting was the strength of the '08 team but we decided to take out productive hitters like Willingham and Jacobs and a good bat off the bench like Gonzalez and replaced them with a light hitting 3B, a very raw super athlete and a so-called professional hitter.

he (jacobs) still sucked with the bat. That's what I call hitters who can't put up a .300 .OBP.

Hitters are supposed to produce runs. Getting on base is only part of the run production equation. You'll be best served if you look a the entire equation rather than only the OBP part of it.

I like Fredi Gonzalez, but when you go from 11-1 to now 1 game below .500, is there something in the pipeline? But I agree, who would they replace him with? I think hes the best manager for right now.

productive hitters like Willingham and Jacobs

 

You do understand that we didn't have a spare $6 million laying around to pay the worst defensive 1B in MLB and a servicably hitting but questionably defending LF with a totally unpredictable bad back, right?

 

Are you going to ignore the fact that in return for people we would have ultimately had to outright release we got Nunez, a reliever who most teams would now cough up 2 mill+ for and Boni, perhaps the fastest guy in MLB who's got the 4th best batting average on the team?

 

I'm now waiting for a defense of Olsen, a guy with an arrest record, known for flipping the bird to fans and (unsuccessfully) trying to beat a teammate, and who is pitching like a rookie, that is to say, with less success than the almost worthless Hendrickson did in 2008.

 

:lol :lol :lol

I'm sorry, but the crappy product out on the field right now was put there by the front office. They're the ones who stuck us with no options and no flexibility in case guys like Maybin, Miller, Sanchez, etc. all played exactly like could have been predicted. We started the year without a realistic option for a 4th outfielder, with a slap hitting third basemen who can't hit or walk, and no starting pitching depth.

 

We've got a couple of guys who are underperforming, and another few that are injured. These things happen, and the front office should have foreseen it as well as a lot of us did and come up with appropriate fallback options. Instead, we shipped out whatever semblance of depth we had by trading Olsen and Willingham and not re-signing Gonzo. I realize that our payroll handicaps us somewhat, but there are guys out there who would have signed cheap deals to be here that we didn't pursue. We counted on every player performing at their best case scenario to even have a chance at competing. That's not the way you win.

 

I've said it before- we were a competitive team last year and didn't need to make wholesale changes to maintain that this year. We just needed to add capable starting pitching to last years squad.

 

When we ship out 30 homer hitting first basemen, starting pitchers, and Lfers for spare parts, I really have a hard time believing in this FO. They're the ones who let us down.

 

I agree with a lot of this. Hitting was the strength of the '08 team but we decided to take out productive hitters like Willingham and Jacobs and a good bat off the bench like Gonzalez and replaced them with a light hitting 3B, a very raw super athlete and a so-called professional hitter.

 

Gonzo was not very good off the bench...and was a HUGE liability on defense. He did well filling in for Willingham...FOR A WHILE...but then slumped pretty much the rest of the year.

Yeah, everyday hitters tend to struggle when they become bench bats. He had a .159/.255/.227/.482 line as a PH, combined with his bad defense, no issue at all with him not being here.

it seems like we get at least one of these threads every year. This season isn't Fredi's fault. It's just the fact that we don't have a very balanced lineup at the moment with certain guys not producing as well as an inconsistant closer and starting pitching durability issues. Fredi has done a pretty good job this year, to fire him would be stupid, and would once again mean we would have to start over when it comes with dealing with a new manager. Basically it would be like wasting this and next season if we fired Fredi mid way through this season.

 

 

 

 

 

And just like we get these threads, we get a stupid comment like this defending him. The guy could never manage. This isn't just an offense or pitching or defense problem... IT'S ALL THREE!!! You want a reason for firing him, how the team doesn't believe in him anymore. But you're right, firing a manager in May doesn't make sense... like in 2003.

 

 

yes, because as we know we have the same talent this year that we had in 2003

 

You're right! We have better talent this year. The hook is well overdue.

 

But, of course, this is all moot because so long as dog Fredi fetches, begs, and speaks when the FO commands he won't be going anywhere. What a shame, this could've been a great year.

fredi cant be blamed for the teams struggles, most of our losses have come from lack of offense and poor starting pitching! not to mention our bullpens getting fatigued from the overuse!

he (jacobs) still sucked with the bat. That's what I call hitters who can't put up a .300 .OBP.

Hitters are supposed to produce runs. Getting on base is only part of the run production equation. You'll be best served if you look a the entire equation rather than only the OBP part of it.

 

 

That's nice.

Are you seriously going to tell me this offense is so much worse b/c the team misses Mike Bonds...err...Jacobs?

 

There were times last year when everyone was pissed with Jake.

 

The other day, the guy from the fielding bible, said on the telecast that Jake cost us 23 runs with his defense, alone. You can have him.

 

Again, when Uggla and Cody Ross start hitting the ball (whenever that may be), this topic will become irrelevant.

 

It's like everything. When things are going bad, people pretend like they knew it all along. Funny how no one talks about "The Worst Bullpen in Marlins history" anymore.

It's like everything. When things are going bad, people pretend like they knew it all along. Funny how no one talks about "The Worst Bullpen in Marlins history" anymore.

 

 

Exactly.

productive hitters like Willingham and Jacobs

 

You do understand that we didn't have a spare $6 million laying around to pay the worst defensive 1B in MLB and a servicably hitting but questionably defending LF with a totally unpredictable bad back, right?

 

Are you going to ignore the fact that in return for people we would have ultimately had to outright release we got Nunez, a reliever who most teams would now cough up 2 mill+ for and Boni, perhaps the fastest guy in MLB who's got the 4th best batting average on the team?

 

I'm now waiting for a defense of Olsen, a guy with an arrest record, known for flipping the bird to fans and (unsuccessfully) trying to beat a teammate, and who is pitching like a rookie, that is to say, with less success than the almost worthless Hendrickson did in 2008.

 

:lol :lol :lol

 

Stop apologizing. It's sad how much this team has you convinced that its impossible to win in our current situation. I'm not gonna sit here and say that we could have afforded the six million extra, but we definitely could have gotten a better return on return on our assets.

 

Or, more to the point, we could have done ANYTHING to try and fill the holes that were left when we shipped these guys out. Do you think it was a coincidence that we played well last year and yet had the OF depth to not be trotting out Amezaga every other day? Nope, we filled out OF with OF bats and it payed off big time.

 

John Koronka's line today- 2.2 IP 4 ER. I just don't see how any more obvious it can be that lack of depth has killed this team from the get-go. Cameron Maybin- Triple AAA. And the jewels of our Cabrera trade have not yet payed more than token dividends in the majors, meanwhile we gave up a future HOFer in his prime. Still love the FO? People are gonna say the trade worked if Maybin turns into Mike Cameron somehow. I'm sorry, but future HOFer and Mike Cameron are not equal. And Andrew Miller :lol .

 

I could go on and on. A major league team is much more than its starting lineup and rotation. Guys go down. They have bad years. You have to be ready for that. This team completely ignored depth issues, and payroll constraints is absolutely no excuse for that. There is no excuse. We had any number of minor league free agents we could have looked at, but instead we released the guys we had like Dallas McPherson just to go with Emilio Bonifacio. And our only half-hearted attempt to address our depth issues? Ross Gload. I'd almost rather have Joe Borchard back.

 

Keep apologizing. I'm changing the channel and watching better baseball until something changes.

he (jacobs) still sucked with the bat. That's what I call hitters who can't put up a .300 .OBP.

Hitters are supposed to produce runs. Getting on base is only part of the run production equation. You'll be best served if you look a the entire equation rather than only the OBP part of it.

 

 

That's nice.

Are you seriously going to tell me this offense is so much worse b/c the team misses Mike Bonds...err...Jacobs?

 

There were times last year when everyone was pissed with Jake.

 

The other day, the guy from the fielding bible, said on the telecast that Jake cost us 23 runs with his defense, alone. You can have him.

 

Again, when Uggla and Cody Ross start hitting the ball (whenever that may be), this topic will become irrelevant.

 

It's like everything. When things are going bad, people pretend like they knew it all along. Funny how no one talks about "The Worst Bullpen in Marlins history" anymore.

 

I seem to remember pointing out this team's issues long before our play on the field made then evident.

productive hitters like Willingham and Jacobs

 

You do understand that we didn't have a spare $6 million laying around to pay the worst defensive 1B in MLB and a servicably hitting but questionably defending LF with a totally unpredictable bad back, right?

 

Are you going to ignore the fact that in return for people we would have ultimately had to outright release we got Nunez, a reliever who most teams would now cough up 2 mill+ for and Boni, perhaps the fastest guy in MLB who's got the 4th best batting average on the team?

 

I'm now waiting for a defense of Olsen, a guy with an arrest record, known for flipping the bird to fans and (unsuccessfully) trying to beat a teammate, and who is pitching like a rookie, that is to say, with less success than the almost worthless Hendrickson did in 2008.

 

 

 

Stop apologizing. It's sad how much this team has you convinced that its impossible to win in our current situation. I'm not gonna sit here and say that we could have afforded the six million extra, but we definitely could have gotten a better return on return on our assets.

 

Or, more to the point, we could have done ANYTHING to try and fill the holes that were left when we shipped these guys out. Do you think it was a coincidence that we played well last year and yet had the OF depth to not be trotting out Amezaga every other day? Nope, we filled out OF with OF bats and it payed off big time.

 

John Koronka's line today- 2.2 IP 4 ER. I just don't see how any more obvious it can be that lack of depth has killed this team from the get-go. Cameron Maybin- Triple AAA. And the jewels of our Cabrera trade have not yet payed more than token dividends in the majors, meanwhile we gave up a future HOFer in his prime. Still love the FO? People are gonna say the trade worked if Maybin turns into Mike Cameron somehow. I'm sorry, but future HOFer and Mike Cameron are not equal. And Andrew Miller .

 

I could go on and on. A major league team is much more than its starting lineup and rotation. Guys go down. They have bad years. You have to be ready for that. This team completely ignored depth issues, and payroll constraints is absolutely no excuse for that. There is no excuse. We had any number of minor league free agents we could have looked at, but instead we released the guys we had like Dallas McPherson just to go with Emilio Bonifacio. And our only half-hearted attempt to address our depth issues? Ross Gload. I'd almost rather have Joe Borchard back.

 

Keep apologizing. I'm changing the channel and watching better baseball until something changes.

 

 

Amezaga was our starting CF'er LAST YEAR for a solid portion of the year. What's your point?

 

Were you crying about Cameron Maybin last September? No, nobody was. Giving up on a 22 year old prospect is stupid. But hey...whatever works for you.

 

The problem is you're living in a world of video games. The world that has you thinking this team was actually going to be able to re-sign Miguel Cabrera.

 

Also, Ross Gload is a lot better than Joe Borchard. Just for that comment, I'd say it's a good thing you are switching the channel. Perhaps you should find another sport if you truly believe that one.

he (jacobs) still sucked with the bat. That's what I call hitters who can't put up a .300 .OBP.

Hitters are supposed to produce runs. Getting on base is only part of the run production equation. You'll be best served if you look a the entire equation rather than only the OBP part of it.

 

 

That's nice.

Are you seriously going to tell me this offense is so much worse b/c the team misses Mike Bonds...err...Jacobs?

 

There were times last year when everyone was pissed with Jake.

 

The other day, the guy from the fielding bible, said on the telecast that Jake cost us 23 runs with his defense, alone. You can have him.

 

Again, when Uggla and Cody Ross start hitting the ball (whenever that may be), this topic will become irrelevant.

 

It's like everything. When things are going bad, people pretend like they knew it all along. Funny how no one talks about "The Worst Bullpen in Marlins history" anymore.

 

I seem to remember pointing out this team's issues long before our play on the field made then evident.

 

 

Really? Everyone seemed all lovey-dovey when the team was 11-1. There were certainly no complaints then. So we've gone 11-1, and we've gone 7-19. Overall, 18-20. 38 of 162 are done with. Flip that channel, though. It's allllllll over.......................

productive hitters like Willingham and Jacobs

 

You do understand that we didn't have a spare $6 million laying around to pay the worst defensive 1B in MLB and a servicably hitting but questionably defending LF with a totally unpredictable bad back, right?

 

Are you going to ignore the fact that in return for people we would have ultimately had to outright release we got Nunez, a reliever who most teams would now cough up 2 mill+ for and Boni, perhaps the fastest guy in MLB who's got the 4th best batting average on the team?

 

I'm now waiting for a defense of Olsen, a guy with an arrest record, known for flipping the bird to fans and (unsuccessfully) trying to beat a teammate, and who is pitching like a rookie, that is to say, with less success than the almost worthless Hendrickson did in 2008.

 

 

 

Stop apologizing. It's sad how much this team has you convinced that its impossible to win in our current situation. I'm not gonna sit here and say that we could have afforded the six million extra, but we definitely could have gotten a better return on return on our assets.

 

Or, more to the point, we could have done ANYTHING to try and fill the holes that were left when we shipped these guys out. Do you think it was a coincidence that we played well last year and yet had the OF depth to not be trotting out Amezaga every other day? Nope, we filled out OF with OF bats and it payed off big time.

 

John Koronka's line today- 2.2 IP 4 ER. I just don't see how any more obvious it can be that lack of depth has killed this team from the get-go. Cameron Maybin- Triple AAA. And the jewels of our Cabrera trade have not yet payed more than token dividends in the majors, meanwhile we gave up a future HOFer in his prime. Still love the FO? People are gonna say the trade worked if Maybin turns into Mike Cameron somehow. I'm sorry, but future HOFer and Mike Cameron are not equal. And Andrew Miller .

 

I could go on and on. A major league team is much more than its starting lineup and rotation. Guys go down. They have bad years. You have to be ready for that. This team completely ignored depth issues, and payroll constraints is absolutely no excuse for that. There is no excuse. We had any number of minor league free agents we could have looked at, but instead we released the guys we had like Dallas McPherson just to go with Emilio Bonifacio. And our only half-hearted attempt to address our depth issues? Ross Gload. I'd almost rather have Joe Borchard back.

 

Keep apologizing. I'm changing the channel and watching better baseball until something changes.

 

 

Amezaga was our starting CF'er LAST YEAR for a solid portion of the year. What's your point?

 

Were you crying about Cameron Maybin last September? No, nobody was. Giving up on a 22 year old prospect is stupid. But hey...whatever works for you.

 

The problem is you're living in a world of video games. The world that has you thinking this team was actually going to be able to re-sign Miguel Cabrera.

 

Also, Ross Gload is a lot better than Joe Borchard. Just for that comment, I'd say it's a good thing you are switching the channel. Perhaps you should find another sport if you truly believe that one.

 

I'm not giving up on Cameron Maybin. But it's very evident by now that he wasn't ready this year, although I think a big part of his problem was that he was taken out of the leadoff role, where he was probably a lot more likely to experience success than in hitting directly in front of the pitcher.

 

Maybin's September was nice, but there were still a lot of reasons to believe he would struggle this year. For all his power potential, he is a ground ball hitter who doesn't yet handle breaking stuff well. I read a lot of scouting opinions and they all said the same thing.

 

The problem was that we didn't really prepare for any of our outfielders to struggle. We're scrambling to trot anyone out there who can give us a semblance of offense and yet among all of the guys we've thrown out there, not one of them has put up anything close to truly starting caliber performance.

 

I didn't believe that we could re-sign Cabrera, but it's not too much to ask to think that we could have gotten prospects that weren't well on their way to being ruined by the Tigers by being rushed incredibly. When trading a future HOFer who had already been a key piece of a championship team (at the age of 20), it's really not too much to ask.

Stop apologizing

 

 

You're mistaken. I wasn't then and am not now apologizing.

productive hitters like Willingham and Jacobs

 

You do understand that we didn't have a spare $6 million laying around to pay the worst defensive 1B in MLB and a servicably hitting but questionably defending LF with a totally unpredictable bad back, right?

 

Are you going to ignore the fact that in return for people we would have ultimately had to outright release we got Nunez, a reliever who most teams would now cough up 2 mill+ for and Boni, perhaps the fastest guy in MLB who's got the 4th best batting average on the team?

 

I'm now waiting for a defense of Olsen, a guy with an arrest record, known for flipping the bird to fans and (unsuccessfully) trying to beat a teammate, and who is pitching like a rookie, that is to say, with less success than the almost worthless Hendrickson did in 2008.

 

 

 

Stop apologizing. It's sad how much this team has you convinced that its impossible to win in our current situation. I'm not gonna sit here and say that we could have afforded the six million extra, but we definitely could have gotten a better return on return on our assets.

 

Or, more to the point, we could have done ANYTHING to try and fill the holes that were left when we shipped these guys out. Do you think it was a coincidence that we played well last year and yet had the OF depth to not be trotting out Amezaga every other day? Nope, we filled out OF with OF bats and it payed off big time.

 

John Koronka's line today- 2.2 IP 4 ER. I just don't see how any more obvious it can be that lack of depth has killed this team from the get-go. Cameron Maybin- Triple AAA. And the jewels of our Cabrera trade have not yet payed more than token dividends in the majors, meanwhile we gave up a future HOFer in his prime. Still love the FO? People are gonna say the trade worked if Maybin turns into Mike Cameron somehow. I'm sorry, but future HOFer and Mike Cameron are not equal. And Andrew Miller .

 

I could go on and on. A major league team is much more than its starting lineup and rotation. Guys go down. They have bad years. You have to be ready for that. This team completely ignored depth issues, and payroll constraints is absolutely no excuse for that. There is no excuse. We had any number of minor league free agents we could have looked at, but instead we released the guys we had like Dallas McPherson just to go with Emilio Bonifacio. And our only half-hearted attempt to address our depth issues? Ross Gload. I'd almost rather have Joe Borchard back.

 

Keep apologizing. I'm changing the channel and watching better baseball until something changes.

 

 

Amezaga was our starting CF'er LAST YEAR for a solid portion of the year. What's your point?

 

Were you crying about Cameron Maybin last September? No, nobody was. Giving up on a 22 year old prospect is stupid. But hey...whatever works for you.

 

The problem is you're living in a world of video games. The world that has you thinking this team was actually going to be able to re-sign Miguel Cabrera.

 

Also, Ross Gload is a lot better than Joe Borchard. Just for that comment, I'd say it's a good thing you are switching the channel. Perhaps you should find another sport if you truly believe that one.

 

I'm not giving up on Cameron Maybin. But it's very evident by now that he wasn't ready this year, although I think a big part of his problem was that he was taken out of the leadoff role, where he was probably a lot more likely to experience success than in hitting directly in front of the pitcher.

 

Maybin's September was nice, but there were still a lot of reasons to believe he would struggle this year. For all his power potential, he is a ground ball hitter who doesn't yet handle breaking stuff well. I read a lot of scouting opinions and they all said the same thing.

 

The problem was that we didn't really prepare for any of our outfielders to struggle. We're scrambling to trot anyone out there who can give us a semblance of offense and yet among all of the guys we've thrown out there, not one of them has put up anything close to truly starting caliber performance.

 

I didn't believe that we could re-sign Cabrera, but it's not too much to ask to think that we could have gotten prospects that weren't well on their way to being ruined by the Tigers by being rushed incredibly. When trading a future HOFer who had already been a key piece of a championship team (at the age of 20), it's really not too much to ask.

 

Cabrera was/is great and all, but fact is...AT THAT TIME, BOTH Maybin and Miller were top 10 prospects in all of baseball. Not exactly terrible value, considering what we were looking for, at the time.

 

I will agree with you, however. The Marlins don't have any power, whatsoever, off the bench because they were never interested, apparently. They overrated speed, and I did state that in the offseason. I still don't see why there's no reason to be optimistic, though. I mean, pending the majority stay healthy, I'm not just going to sit here & expect Nolasco, Uggla, and Cody Ross to SUCK as much as they've sucked all year.

 

If the bullpen continues to pitch the way it has (which, to me, is a question mark), the Marlins should compete. The starting pitching is still the same starting pitching every analyst was going goo-goo-gaa-gaa over after 12 games (minus Anibal Sanchez, who's our #4), and the hitting...same team from last year minus Mike Jacobs. Sorry, but Mike Jacobs wasn't that great.

productive hitters like Willingham and Jacobs

 

You do understand that we didn't have a spare $6 million laying around to pay the worst defensive 1B in MLB and a servicably hitting but questionably defending LF with a totally unpredictable bad back, right?

 

Are you going to ignore the fact that in return for people we would have ultimately had to outright release we got Nunez, a reliever who most teams would now cough up 2 mill+ for and Boni, perhaps the fastest guy in MLB who's got the 4th best batting average on the team?

 

I'm now waiting for a defense of Olsen, a guy with an arrest record, known for flipping the bird to fans and (unsuccessfully) trying to beat a teammate, and who is pitching like a rookie, that is to say, with less success than the almost worthless Hendrickson did in 2008.

 

 

 

Stop apologizing. It's sad how much this team has you convinced that its impossible to win in our current situation. I'm not gonna sit here and say that we could have afforded the six million extra, but we definitely could have gotten a better return on return on our assets.

 

Or, more to the point, we could have done ANYTHING to try and fill the holes that were left when we shipped these guys out. Do you think it was a coincidence that we played well last year and yet had the OF depth to not be trotting out Amezaga every other day? Nope, we filled out OF with OF bats and it payed off big time.

 

John Koronka's line today- 2.2 IP 4 ER. I just don't see how any more obvious it can be that lack of depth has killed this team from the get-go. Cameron Maybin- Triple AAA. And the jewels of our Cabrera trade have not yet payed more than token dividends in the majors, meanwhile we gave up a future HOFer in his prime. Still love the FO? People are gonna say the trade worked if Maybin turns into Mike Cameron somehow. I'm sorry, but future HOFer and Mike Cameron are not equal. And Andrew Miller .

 

I could go on and on. A major league team is much more than its starting lineup and rotation. Guys go down. They have bad years. You have to be ready for that. This team completely ignored depth issues, and payroll constraints is absolutely no excuse for that. There is no excuse. We had any number of minor league free agents we could have looked at, but instead we released the guys we had like Dallas McPherson just to go with Emilio Bonifacio. And our only half-hearted attempt to address our depth issues? Ross Gload. I'd almost rather have Joe Borchard back.

 

Keep apologizing. I'm changing the channel and watching better baseball until something changes.

 

 

Amezaga was our starting CF'er LAST YEAR for a solid portion of the year. What's your point?

 

Were you crying about Cameron Maybin last September? No, nobody was. Giving up on a 22 year old prospect is stupid. But hey...whatever works for you.

 

The problem is you're living in a world of video games. The world that has you thinking this team was actually going to be able to re-sign Miguel Cabrera.

 

Also, Ross Gload is a lot better than Joe Borchard. Just for that comment, I'd say it's a good thing you are switching the channel. Perhaps you should find another sport if you truly believe that one.

 

I'm not giving up on Cameron Maybin. But it's very evident by now that he wasn't ready this year, although I think a big part of his problem was that he was taken out of the leadoff role, where he was probably a lot more likely to experience success than in hitting directly in front of the pitcher.

 

Maybin's September was nice, but there were still a lot of reasons to believe he would struggle this year. For all his power potential, he is a ground ball hitter who doesn't yet handle breaking stuff well. I read a lot of scouting opinions and they all said the same thing.

 

The problem was that we didn't really prepare for any of our outfielders to struggle. We're scrambling to trot anyone out there who can give us a semblance of offense and yet among all of the guys we've thrown out there, not one of them has put up anything close to truly starting caliber performance.

 

I didn't believe that we could re-sign Cabrera, but it's not too much to ask to think that we could have gotten prospects that weren't well on their way to being ruined by the Tigers by being rushed incredibly. When trading a future HOFer who had already been a key piece of a championship team (at the age of 20), it's really not too much to ask.

 

You don't know what the Marlins could have gotten for Cabrera. The only other offer I know of was from the Angels and it wasn't that impressive. In hindsight, we got two guys who could at least become something very good. Its not like 1998 where we traded guys and got literally nothing in return.

In relation to the post above regarding Cabrera:

 

Having remembered some of what the Marlins wanted from the Angels for Cabrera, I just did a quick search and found out the following:

 

We wanted Howie Kendrick, Nick Adenhart (RIP), another pitcher (either Ervin Santana or Joe Saunders) and an OF.

 

Also rumoured were the Dodgers and we wanted 4 of - Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw, Andy LaRoche, Matt Kemp and James Loney.

 

Rightly so the 2 LA teams lost interest as we demanded far too much but even if we only wanted 2 of the big prospects from the Dodgers, say Billingsley and Kemp, we would be in a far better position right now than having Miller and Maybin.

 

Having said that, given time M&M will be studs for us. It's just frustrating that they haven't developed into awesome ML players at this current moment.

In relation to the post above regarding Cabrera:

 

Having remembered some of what the Marlins wanted from the Angels for Cabrera, I just did a quick search and found out the following:

 

We wanted Howie Kendrick, Nick Adenhart (RIP), another pitcher (either Ervin Santana or Joe Saunders) and an OF.

 

Also rumoured were the Dodgers and we wanted 4 of - Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw, Andy LaRoche, Matt Kemp and James Loney.

 

Rightly so the 2 LA teams lost interest as we demanded far too much but even if we only wanted 2 of the big prospects from the Dodgers, say Billingsley and Kemp, we would be in a far better position right now than having Miller and Maybin.

 

Having said that, given time M&M will be studs for us. It's just frustrating that they haven't developed into awesome ML players at this current moment.

 

If I remember correctly, we gave up on the Angels and the Dodgers gave up on us, because we couldn't reach any agreements.

Time to start a fire Jim Presley thread!!!! Since 2006 the Marlins have been hit (HR) or miss (K) Robinson never got this much leniency

It would have been sweet to get Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw, Andy LaRoche, and Matt Kemp.

It would have been sweet to get Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw, Andy LaRoche, and Matt Kemp.

 

All pies in the sky are sweet.

It would have been sweet to get Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw, Andy LaRoche, and Matt Kemp.

 

All pies in the sky are sweet.

 

 

Lucky this site exists, http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/282700.html.