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tampa our number last few years we did good in homestand but not on road trip to tampa our bullpen fail us in last two lost what want wrong with this team???

Our bullpen is really thin right now, I think that's part of the problem...

Unfortunately just as we were hitting our stride, its seems that the team has had a few injuries. Bad timing and bad luck, but its a long season, and I think once we get healthy, we'll be just fine. But Tampa does seem to have our number.

It happens. Still lead the all time series 36-30 so theres that.

It happens. Still lead the all time series 36-30 so theres that.

 

 

No way. It can't be that close. Until the last 2 seasons we dominated them. Is really that close? I guessed 50 and 10 in the post game thread. If you are correct, at least I came very close to the number of games played. I also guessed that we're 2 and 10 against them the last 2 seasons which means I guessed 72 games in the series.

 

It couldn't last forever. They had to get good sooner or later but I never thought it would be so sudden.

 

 

 

 

Also, did they change they interleague format? Since the Rays are our rival AND we play their division this season, aren't we supposed to play 3 or 4 series' against them? That's how it was in the past. Considering how they've played us these last 2 seasons, I glad we only play them twice.

It happens. Still lead the all time series 36-30 so theres that.

 

 

No way. It can't be that close. Until the last 2 seasons we dominated them. Is really that close? I guessed 50 and 10 in the post game thread. If you are correct, at least I came very close to the number of games played. I also guessed that we're 2 and 10 against them the last 2 seasons which means I guessed 72 games in the series.

 

It couldn't last forever. They had to get good sooner or later but I never thought it would be so sudden.

 

 

 

 

Also, did they change they interleague format? Since the Rays are our rival AND we play their division this season, aren't we supposed to play 3 or 4 series' against them? That's how it was in the past. Considering how they've played us these last 2 seasons, I glad we only play them twice.

 

No, the Citurs Series has always consisted of a Home and away series, whereas the other Interleague teams (whatever division we played that year) were only one series, either home or away.

Tampa position by position is just a better team this year than the Marlins , fortunately they are not in our division

1st base: Jorge Cantu/Carlos Pena Tampa is better

2nd base: Dan Uggla/Willie Aybar Marlins better by a country mile

3rd base: Emilio Bonifacio/Evan Longoria Tampa OMG its shameful to even bring these 2 names together

SS: Hanley Ramirez/Jason Bartlett Marlins so much better! makes up almost for the huge disadvantage at 3rd

C: Baker or Paulino/Dioner Navarro Marlins are much better

LF: Chris Coghlan/Carl Crawford Tampa is much better but give Coghlan time he is tightening the gap

CF: Cody Ross/BJ Upton Marlins better...Speed aside Cody has outplayed Upton in every area, although its hard to ignore 27 SBs

RF: Jeremy Hermida/Zobrist or Gross Tampa is better when Zobrist is playing RF with 16 HRs 44 RBIs

 

Marlins Rotation is much better than Tampa Bay's However the gap may be closing if Kazmir is back to his former self

 

RHP Josh Johnson...........................RHP Jamie Shields

RHP Ricky Nolasco...........................LHP Scott Kazmir

RHP Chris Volstad...........................RHP Matt Garza

LHP Andrew Miller...........................RHP Jeff Niemann

LHP Sean West...............................LHP David Price

 

Bench

Brent Carroll, Gload, Helms have given the Marlins good depth

Joe Dillon, Gabe Gross and Gabe Kapler are heavy lumber off the bench, I always loved Dillon as a bench player

 

Bench strength is Even

 

Bullpen

Don't even wanna talk about it

Huge advantage Tampa Bay!

The Rays have a very explosive offense. I would say our pitching has done about as well as can be expected (except maybe the bullpen on Friday). Mostly the offense is letting the team down this series.

1st base: Jorge Cantu/Carlos Pena Tampa is better

2nd base: Dan Uggla/Willie Aybar Marlins better by a country mile

3rd base: Emilio Bonifacio/Evan Longoria Tampa OMG its shameful to even bring these 2 names together

SS: Hanley Ramirez/Jason Bartlett Marlins so much better! makes up almost for the huge disadvantage at 3rd

C: Baker or Paulino/Dioner Navarro Marlins are much better

LF: Chris Coghlan/Carl Crawford Tampa is much better but give Coghlan time he is tightening the gap

CF: Cody Ross/BJ Upton Marlins better...Speed aside Cody has outplayed Upton in every area, although its hard to ignore 27 SBs

RF: Jeremy Hermida/Zobrist or Gross Tampa is better when Zobrist is playing RF with 16 HRs 44 RBIs

 

Marlins Rotation is much better than Tampa Bay's However the gap may be closing if Kazmir is back to his former self

 

RHP Josh Johnson...........................RHP Jamie Shields

RHP Ricky Nolasco...........................LHP Scott Kazmir

RHP Chris Volstad...........................RHP Matt Garza

LHP Andrew Miller...........................RHP Jeff Niemann

LHP Sean West...............................LHP David Price

 

Bench

Brent Carroll, Gload, Helms have given the Marlins good depth

Joe Dillon, Gabe Gross and Gabe Kapler are heavy lumber off the bench, I always loved Dillon as a bench player

 

Bench strength is Even

 

Bullpen

Don't even wanna talk about it

Huge advantage Tampa Bay!

 

 

As far as offense, the Rays have a superior OPS at 6 of the 8 positions:

 

C: Baker (.722)/ Navarro (.558)

1B: Cantu (.781) / Pena (.938)

2B: Uggla (.785) / Zobrist (1.029)

3B: Bonifacio (.592) / Longoria (.966)

SS: Ramirez (.955) / Bartlett (.969)

CF: Ross (.820) / Upton (.700)

RF: Hermida (.748) / Gross/Kapler Platoon (Gross OPS .829/Kapler OPS .841)

LF: Coughlan (.733) / Crawford (.815)

 

Navarro has thoroughly sucked this year on offense (and hasn't been great defensively either). You could certainly say that Ramirez is and will be a better offensive player than Bartlett over the long haul but for this year, Bartlett has been a very good hitter and is probably a better defensive short stop than Hanley. Upton, coming off shoulder surgery, hasn't been great at the plate this year but is coming on lately. Overall, when considering position players both offensively and defensively, I'd give the edge Rays.

 

I would say the Rotations truly lineup as such:

 

Josh Johnson........Matt Garza

James Shields.......Ricky Nolasco

Scott Kazmir........Chris Volstad

David Price.........Andrew Miller

Jeff Niemann........Sean West

 

Josh Johnson is the best pitcher on either staff. Overall I'd says its pretty close with maybe a slight advantage to the Marlins.

 

Benches maybe about even as you say and the Rays bullpen, which has been lights out lately, is better.

 

So overall, I'd say advantage Rays in terms of positions players and bullpen and slight advantage Marlins in terms of starting rotation.

1st base: Jorge Cantu/Carlos Pena Tampa is better

2nd base: Dan Uggla/Willie Aybar Marlins better by a country mile

3rd base: Emilio Bonifacio/Evan Longoria Tampa OMG its shameful to even bring these 2 names together

SS: Hanley Ramirez/Jason Bartlett Marlins so much better! makes up almost for the huge disadvantage at 3rd

C: Baker or Paulino/Dioner Navarro Marlins are much better

LF: Chris Coghlan/Carl Crawford Tampa is much better but give Coghlan time he is tightening the gap

CF: Cody Ross/BJ Upton Marlins better...Speed aside Cody has outplayed Upton in every area, although its hard to ignore 27 SBs

RF: Jeremy Hermida/Zobrist or Gross Tampa is better when Zobrist is playing RF with 16 HRs 44 RBIs

 

Marlins Rotation is much better than Tampa Bay's However the gap may be closing if Kazmir is back to his former self

 

RHP Josh Johnson...........................RHP Jamie Shields

RHP Ricky Nolasco...........................LHP Scott Kazmir

RHP Chris Volstad...........................RHP Matt Garza

LHP Andrew Miller...........................RHP Jeff Niemann

LHP Sean West...............................LHP David Price

 

Bench

Brent Carroll, Gload, Helms have given the Marlins good depth

Joe Dillon, Gabe Gross and Gabe Kapler are heavy lumber off the bench, I always loved Dillon as a bench player

 

Bench strength is Even

 

Bullpen

Don't even wanna talk about it

Huge advantage Tampa Bay!

 

 

 

Way to be a homer.

 

The Rays kill the Marlins at 1B, 3B, LF, and CF. And when Zobrist is playing RF, they also beat us there. Our platoon is better at catcher, but don't forget that Navarro had a great season last year and was an all-star. The Marlins are better at 2B, but when Iwamura is healthy, they beat us in defense. And obviously I would rather take Hanley over Bartlett any day, but Bartlett is having an amazing season, and the gap isn't as big as you think.

 

I'd also take a healthy Shields/Kazmir/Garza/Price/Sonnanstine or Niemann over the Marlins rotation. The benches are about equal, but the Rays have a better bullpen.

 

Tampa is a better team, by far.

1st base: Jorge Cantu/Carlos Pena Tampa is better

2nd base: Dan Uggla/Willie Aybar Marlins better by a country mile

3rd base: Emilio Bonifacio/Evan Longoria Tampa OMG its shameful to even bring these 2 names together

SS: Hanley Ramirez/Jason Bartlett Marlins so much better! makes up almost for the huge disadvantage at 3rd

C: Baker or Paulino/Dioner Navarro Marlins are much better

LF: Chris Coghlan/Carl Crawford Tampa is much better but give Coghlan time he is tightening the gap

CF: Cody Ross/BJ Upton Marlins better...Speed aside Cody has outplayed Upton in every area, although its hard to ignore 27 SBs

RF: Jeremy Hermida/Zobrist or Gross Tampa is better when Zobrist is playing RF with 16 HRs 44 RBIs

 

Marlins Rotation is much better than Tampa Bay's However the gap may be closing if Kazmir is back to his former self

 

RHP Josh Johnson...........................RHP Jamie Shields

RHP Ricky Nolasco...........................LHP Scott Kazmir

RHP Chris Volstad...........................RHP Matt Garza

LHP Andrew Miller...........................RHP Jeff Niemann

LHP Sean West...............................LHP David Price

 

Bench

Brent Carroll, Gload, Helms have given the Marlins good depth

Joe Dillon, Gabe Gross and Gabe Kapler are heavy lumber off the bench, I always loved Dillon as a bench player

 

Bench strength is Even

 

Bullpen

Don't even wanna talk about it

Huge advantage Tampa Bay!

 

 

 

Way to be a homer.

 

The Rays kill the Marlins at 1B, 3B, LF, and CF. And when Zobrist is playing RF, they also beat us there. Our platoon is better at catcher, but don't forget that Navarro had a great season last year and was an all-star. The Marlins are better at 2B, but when Iwamura is healthy, they beat us in defense. And obviously I would rather take Hanley over Bartlett any day, but Bartlett is having an amazing season, and the gap isn't as big as you think.

 

I'd also take a healthy Sields/Kazmir/Garza/Price/Sonnanstine or Niemann over the Marlins rotation. The benches are about equal, but the Rays have a better bullpen.

 

Tampa is a better team, by far.

 

Ditto the Bartlett thing, he is playing absolutely outstanding and while its easy to say that Hanley is the better player Bartlett is doing just as much to get his team wins this year. And his disruption of the basepaths in the late innings has practically won the last two games in the series.

 

A position by position analysis doesn't truly reflect the talent disparity between these two teams. Admittedly some of the Rays talent shows itself sporadically, but the Rays just posses some elite talent guys while we have a lot of good guys with one great one. When I was watching the game in person on friday it was daunting seeing one dangerous bat after another come up to bat. And while our team has a fair number of dangerous hitters (for their positions at least), nearly all of them are streaky hitters and its pretty obvious that some of our guys are struggling at the dish right now and they had poor at-bats in all of their PA's.

1st base: Jorge Cantu/Carlos Pena Tampa is better

2nd base: Dan Uggla/Willie Aybar Marlins better by a country mile

3rd base: Emilio Bonifacio/Evan Longoria Tampa OMG its shameful to even bring these 2 names together

SS: Hanley Ramirez/Jason Bartlett Marlins so much better! makes up almost for the huge disadvantage at 3rd

C: Baker or Paulino/Dioner Navarro Marlins are much better

LF: Chris Coghlan/Carl Crawford Tampa is much better but give Coghlan time he is tightening the gap

CF: Cody Ross/BJ Upton Marlins better...Speed aside Cody has outplayed Upton in every area, although its hard to ignore 27 SBs

RF: Jeremy Hermida/Zobrist or Gross Tampa is better when Zobrist is playing RF with 16 HRs 44 RBIs

 

Marlins Rotation is much better than Tampa Bay's However the gap may be closing if Kazmir is back to his former self

 

RHP Josh Johnson...........................RHP Jamie Shields

RHP Ricky Nolasco...........................LHP Scott Kazmir

RHP Chris Volstad...........................RHP Matt Garza

LHP Andrew Miller...........................RHP Jeff Niemann

LHP Sean West...............................LHP David Price

 

Bench

Brent Carroll, Gload, Helms have given the Marlins good depth

Joe Dillon, Gabe Gross and Gabe Kapler are heavy lumber off the bench, I always loved Dillon as a bench player

 

Bench strength is Even

 

Bullpen

Don't even wanna talk about it

Huge advantage Tampa Bay!

 

 

 

That may be the worst/most inaccurate analysis I have ever read. At the very least get the line-ups right. Start with Zobrist being the starting second baseman (and being worlds better than Uggla) and work from there.

1st base: Jorge Cantu/Carlos Pena Tampa is better

2nd base: Dan Uggla/Willie Aybar Marlins better by a country mile

3rd base: Emilio Bonifacio/Evan Longoria Tampa OMG its shameful to even bring these 2 names together

SS: Hanley Ramirez/Jason Bartlett Marlins so much better! makes up almost for the huge disadvantage at 3rd

C: Baker or Paulino/Dioner Navarro Marlins are much better

LF: Chris Coghlan/Carl Crawford Tampa is much better but give Coghlan time he is tightening the gap

CF: Cody Ross/BJ Upton Marlins better...Speed aside Cody has outplayed Upton in every area, although its hard to ignore 27 SBs

RF: Jeremy Hermida/Zobrist or Gross Tampa is better when Zobrist is playing RF with 16 HRs 44 RBIs

 

Marlins Rotation is much better than Tampa Bay's However the gap may be closing if Kazmir is back to his former self

 

RHP Josh Johnson...........................RHP Jamie Shields

RHP Ricky Nolasco...........................LHP Scott Kazmir

RHP Chris Volstad...........................RHP Matt Garza

LHP Andrew Miller...........................RHP Jeff Niemann

LHP Sean West...............................LHP David Price

 

Bench

Brent Carroll, Gload, Helms have given the Marlins good depth

Joe Dillon, Gabe Gross and Gabe Kapler are heavy lumber off the bench, I always loved Dillon as a bench player

 

Bench strength is Even

 

Bullpen

Don't even wanna talk about it

Huge advantage Tampa Bay!

 

 

 

That may be the worst/most inaccurate analysis I have ever read. At the very least get the line-ups right. Start with Zobrist being the starting second baseman (and being worlds better than Uggla) and work from there.

 

The confusion in this really shows one thing that makes Tampa very dangerous- that they have a couple bench guys who are practically starters in their own right and that they have a lot of versatility. Tampa pays a lot of attention to their bench and its helps them a lot when things happen like losing both of their middle infielders in one game against us.

lol I'm going to assume this thread was posted on a Devil Rays forum

Zobrist and bartlett's seasons have been so funny so far. How the hell is Bartlett ops-ing .970?

We recently swept Toronto and Baltimore and won the series against the Yankees, yet after 2 losses to Tampa some fans are acting as if we are a disaster!? I don't get it...

Tampa bays immensely better-

 

Bartlet has been Hanley this year

Zorbist is playing well and is equal or better to uggla

Cantu is clutch, but Pena makes sure you don't need clutch most of the time (23 HR's right?)

Dickface is a little leaguer even compared to Willy Aybar, he's a fetus next to Longoria.

 

Bullpen is Healthy, but not trememndesly superior when the Marlins are healthy

 

Staffs are equal right now--- but not in track record

 

Johnson=Sheilds

Nolasco=Garza

Miller=Kazmir

Volstad>Price

West=Sonnanstine/Niemann

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it look like their outplay us at home and on road we only won one game in series

Is the sky blue? Duh.

Can we get better ? That is what I want to know. Okay the Rays have our number, big deal, can we get good enough with some trades and with DL comebacks to win the NL East ?

Can we get better ? That is what I want to know. Okay the Rays have our number, big deal, can we get good enough with some trades and with DL comebacks to win the NL East ?

 

 

Yes, we can get better if the FO goes out and make a couple trades, but they are not going to do it, they will continue to be contented to just shuttle guys between here and AAA, it makes no sense when some of the guys are not ready for the big leagues.

We recently swept Toronto and Baltimore and won the series against the Yankees, yet after 2 losses to Tampa some fans are acting as if we are a disaster!? I don't get it...

 

Well, Baltimore is a terrible team. The Marlins should have swept all three.

 

Toronto is a better team on paper than the Fish, so the sweep was a surprise. I suppose the Yankees series was also reassuring.

 

Personally, I think the Boston series and now this Tampa series have certainly exposed some of the team's weaknesses.

 

 

Says the guy who was pretty f***ing optimistic 12 games into the season.

The Rays are a better team than us! We need to forget about the sweep and take five of six against the Nats and Bucs @ "The Shark." Lets Go Boys!

1st base: Jorge Cantu/Carlos Pena Tampa is better

2nd base: Dan Uggla/Willie Aybar Marlins better by a country mile

3rd base: Emilio Bonifacio/Evan Longoria Tampa OMG its shameful to even bring these 2 names together

SS: Hanley Ramirez/Jason Bartlett Marlins so much better! makes up almost for the huge disadvantage at 3rd

C: Baker or Paulino/Dioner Navarro Marlins are much better

LF: Chris Coghlan/Carl Crawford Tampa is much better but give Coghlan time he is tightening the gap

CF: Cody Ross/BJ Upton Marlins better...Speed aside Cody has outplayed Upton in every area, although its hard to ignore 27 SBs

RF: Jeremy Hermida/Zobrist or Gross Tampa is better when Zobrist is playing RF with 16 HRs 44 RBIs

 

Marlins Rotation is much better than Tampa Bay's However the gap may be closing if Kazmir is back to his former self

 

RHP Josh Johnson...........................RHP Jamie Shields

RHP Ricky Nolasco...........................LHP Scott Kazmir

RHP Chris Volstad...........................RHP Matt Garza

LHP Andrew Miller...........................RHP Jeff Niemann

LHP Sean West...............................LHP David Price

 

Bench

Brent Carroll, Gload, Helms have given the Marlins good depth

Joe Dillon, Gabe Gross and Gabe Kapler are heavy lumber off the bench, I always loved Dillon as a bench player

 

Bench strength is Even

 

Bullpen

Don't even wanna talk about it

Huge advantage Tampa Bay!

 

 

 

Way to be a homer.

 

The Rays kill the Marlins at 1B, 3B, LF, and CF. And when Zobrist is playing RF, they also beat us there. Our platoon is better at catcher, but don't forget that Navarro had a great season last year and was an all-star. The Marlins are better at 2B, but when Iwamura is healthy, they beat us in defense. And obviously I would rather take Hanley over Bartlett any day, but Bartlett is having an amazing season, and the gap isn't as big as you think.

 

I'd also take a healthy Shields/Kazmir/Garza/Price/Sonnanstine or Niemann over the Marlins rotation. The benches are about equal, but the Rays have a better bullpen.

 

Tampa is a better team, by far.

 

Lol at you making it seem as if the Rays rotation is a lot better than the Marlins rotation. They are about equal...nothing wrong with having the opinion that the Marlins rotation is just as good.

 

Also...for all the idiots on this thread doing it...stop putting Jason Bartlett in the same sentence with Hanley Ramirez. It's quite an insult. Hanley Ramirez has been putting up these #'s on a consistent basis. Jason Bartlett is as much a one season wonder, as Bonifacio was a one week wonder. The Rays have gotten lucky with Bartlett...and Zobrist, this year.

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