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Marlins president of baseball operations Admin Beinfest addressed the local media on Thursday, advancing the upcoming Winter Meetings in Indianapolis.

 

Among the highlights were:

 

* Expect Marlins to be active in Indy.

 

* Eight internal candidates for five rotation spots: Josh Johnson, Ricky Nolasco, Sean West, Chris Volstad, Anibal Sanchez, Andrew Miller, Rick VandenHurk, Hayden Penn.

 

* Leo Nunez is the frontrunner to be the closer. Matt Lindstrom would have to win spot back.

 

* Team is prepared to lead off Chris Coghlan once again in 2010, although his speed isn't prototypical for the position.

 

* Alfredo Amezaga remains slowed by his microfracture surgery to his left kneecap. The hope is Amezaga will be ready for Spring Training, but that is unclear right now.

 

* Cameron Maybin (shoulder), Cody Ross (wrist) and Jorge Cantu (ankle) are all progressing nicely from their end of season injuries.

 

* Without offering specifics, Beinfest didn't dismiss the prospect of still trying to work out a multiyear contract with Josh Johnson.

 

-- Joe Frisaro

http://joefrisaro.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/12/state_of_marlins_update.html

 

 

If rumors are true about only keeping Nunez or Lindstrom then maybe that signals the end for Matt in a Fish uniform?

 

Also interesting to see that he expects Amezega to be with the team next year, all indications and projections so far were that he wouldn't be back. No other real surprises.

Can't believe they're considering Penn at all.

 

I also thought that Amezaga was due for a large raise, and that's why he wasn't coming back?

Interesting.

Seems like Lindstrom is leaving, if this is true, considering they wanted to trade 2 of Nunez/Lindstrom/Pinto.

 

The Amezaga thing doesn't make much sense. Although maybe it does, since they've also been interested in Jamey Carroll. Apparently they want a guy like that on the bench...this means Bonifacio is starting this year, btw.

Bye Matterz.

I also thought that Amezaga was due for a large raise, and that's why he wasn't coming back?

 

 

It's not the raise that's the problem (though is certainly an issue), but the fact that he suffered a major knee injury and is still in the healing process. He's not really due in for a large raise, 1.5-1.8m? So a 200-500k raise.

 

Considering what he gave the club was defense, and he'll be 32 next season, he's value plummets a lot if his injured knee makes his defense take a step back.

 

If we're able to sit in the mid-40m range though, and he can be who he has been since we signed him, he'll likely be a lot better a bench player than Bonifacio, and would give Boni the chance to get more AAA seasoning and work on defense at all positions.

 

If we're sitting in the mid-30m range though he's a luxury we couldn't afford. That is where the raise becomes an issue.

 

Depending on how much he likes it here, I wonder if we could approach him with a "ok, we're going to non-tender you, but give you a 1.5m split contract so that if you're healthy, you're up here and making good money." Not only does this mean we're not guaranteeing him money, but would also free up a 40 man roster spot for this offseason/spring training.

I also thought that Amezaga was due for a large raise, and that's why he wasn't coming back?

 

 

It's not the raise that's the problem (though is certainly an issue), but the fact that he suffered a major knee injury and is still in the healing process. He's not really due in for a large raise, 1.5-1.8m? So a 200-500k raise.

 

Considering what he gave the club was defense, and he'll be 32 next season, he's value plummets a lot if his injured knee makes his defense take a step back.

 

If we're able to sit in the mid-40m range though, and he can be who he has been since we signed him, he'll likely be a lot better a bench player than Bonifacio, and would give Boni the chance to get more AAA seasoning and work on defense at all positions.

 

If we're sitting in the mid-30m range though he's a luxury we couldn't afford. That is where the raise becomes an issue.

 

Depending on how much he likes it here, I wonder if we could approach him with a "ok, we're going to non-tender you, but give you a 1.5m split contract so that if you're healthy, you're up here and making good money." Not only does this mean we're not guaranteeing him money, but would also free up a 40 man roster spot for this offseason/spring training.

Except that I can almost guarantee at this point, barring something surprising, that we're going into Opening Day with Bonifacio as the starting 2nd baseman. Unless we miraculously keep Dan Uggla, which I can't imagine. The FO has made it clear that Coghlan is staying in left, and I'm sure Cantu is staying at 3rd unless we trade him, so that leaves Bonifacio to play 2nd (again, assuming the likely event that Uggla gets traded). So expect another 400-500 ABs of Bonifacio yet again.

I also thought that Amezaga was due for a large raise, and that's why he wasn't coming back?

 

 

It's not the raise that's the problem (though is certainly an issue), but the fact that he suffered a major knee injury and is still in the healing process. He's not really due in for a large raise, 1.5-1.8m? So a 200-500k raise.

 

Considering what he gave the club was defense, and he'll be 32 next season, he's value plummets a lot if his injured knee makes his defense take a step back.

 

If we're able to sit in the mid-40m range though, and he can be who he has been since we signed him, he'll likely be a lot better a bench player than Bonifacio, and would give Boni the chance to get more AAA seasoning and work on defense at all positions.

 

If we're sitting in the mid-30m range though he's a luxury we couldn't afford. That is where the raise becomes an issue.

 

Depending on how much he likes it here, I wonder if we could approach him with a "ok, we're going to non-tender you, but give you a 1.5m split contract so that if you're healthy, you're up here and making good money." Not only does this mean we're not guaranteeing him money, but would also free up a 40 man roster spot for this offseason/spring training.

Except that I can almost guarantee at this point, barring something surprising, that we're going into Opening Day with Bonifacio as the starting 2nd baseman. Unless we miraculously keep Dan Uggla, which I can't imagine. The FO has made it clear that Coghlan is staying in left, and I'm sure Cantu is staying at 3rd unless we trade him, so that leaves Bonifacio to play 2nd (again, assuming the likely event that Uggla gets traded). So expect another 400-500 ABs of Bonifacio yet again.

When did that go down?

Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil

Its not too much of a shock. They desperately need to have Bonifacio in the lineup.

Yeah, they have no use for Lowell.

I think that we dangle Lindstrom for some sort of a true 3B. Whether it be to Boston for Lowell, with BOS paying most of Lowell's contract, or work him into a deal with the Rockies for someone like Atkins. Acquiring a true 3B gives us alot more flexibility with our lineup. It would take away the need to force Cantu and his defense back to 3B, and we wouldn't have to rely on a rookie playing 1B. If one of Morrison/Gaby do have a lights out Spring, we could always consider moving Cantu to 2B.

From a "political" *standpoint* in the eyes of most fans I suspect replacing Uggla with Lowell might have some value. He's probably one of the few names that would mute the "ouch" you're going to hear when Uggla departs from the average fan. From a baseball side I worry about Lowell's oft-written about loss of range in 2009 but as a one year stopgap it actually is a move the franchise may consider. Part of the equation of course is our side of the trade and who we have to give up but this is so hypothetical I don't need to waste time trying to figure out what might be the appropriate compensation for Lowell and a bushel of money.

 

Not endorsing it per se, but I can see the PR value (not to mention standing ovation on Opening Day) and he is not without some offensive tools that would help offset the Uggla loss.

Uggla and G.Sanchez for Lowell and Ramon Ramirez would be nice, but I think we would have to throw in something extra besides Sanchez and Uggla for those two. This would mean Sanchez is gone so we don't need to worry about him and Morrison fighting for the 1B job. Lowell/Cantu play 3rd and 1st move Coghlan to 2B and move Morrison to LF and sign a FA OF'er to platoon with Morrison/Ross/Maybin like a Marlon Byrd, Mike Cameron or Gabe Kapler. And I would add some Veteran depth to our Rotation (Randy Wolf, John Smoltz, Mark Prior?) Too bad none of this will probably happen.

yea penn shouldn't even be considered

let see uggla trade during winter meeting or start of new year i hope for someone help us

From a "political" *standpoint* in the eyes of most fans I suspect replacing Uggla with Lowell might have some value. He's probably one of the few names that would mute the "ouch" you're going to hear when Uggla departs from the average fan. From a baseball side I worry about Lowell's oft-written about loss of range in 2009 but as a one year stopgap it actually is a move the franchise may consider. Part of the equation of course is our side of the trade and who we have to give up but this is so hypothetical I don't need to waste time trying to figure out what might be the appropriate compensation for Lowell and a bushel of money.

 

Not endorsing it per se, but I can see the PR value (not to mention standing ovation on Opening Day) and he is not without some offensive tools that would help offset the Uggla loss.

 

 

I really think we need more than a one-year stopgap, though. Unless Dominguez surprises us a lot, he probably needs two more years of minor-league seasoning, especially with the bat. Granted, a one-year stopgap is better than no stopgap at all, if that's what you were getting at.

Uggla and G.Sanchez for Lowell and Ramon Ramirez would be nice, but I think we would have to throw in something extra besides Sanchez and Uggla for those two. This would mean Sanchez is gone so we don't need to worry about him and Morrison fighting for the 1B job. Lowell/Cantu play 3rd and 1st move Coghlan to 2B and move Morrison to LF and sign a FA OF'er to platoon with Morrison/Ross/Maybin like a Marlon Byrd, Mike Cameron or Gabe Kapler. And I would add some Veteran depth to our Rotation (Randy Wolf, John Smoltz, Mark Prior?) Too bad none of this will probably happen.

 

 

Why would Boston want Gaby Sanchez? And why would we trade Uggla for an arbitration-eligible 28-year-old reliever who really isn't very good? This makes no sense to me, and if anything, Boston would have to add more.

 

And why in the heck is it a bad thing "to worry about him [Gaby] and Morrison fighting for the 1B job"? It's not like competition is a bad thing.

 

Mike Cameron will be too expensive to platoon; Morrison is not necessarily ready to play LF everyday in the Major Leagues.

I meant more the lack of entangling obligation(s) that would hamper the team going forward in 2011 should either Dominguez blossom or other options is made available.

Uggla and G.Sanchez for Lowell and Ramon Ramirez would be nice, but I think we would have to throw in something extra besides Sanchez and Uggla for those two. This would mean Sanchez is gone so we don't need to worry about him and Morrison fighting for the 1B job. Lowell/Cantu play 3rd and 1st move Coghlan to 2B and move Morrison to LF and sign a FA OF'er to platoon with Morrison/Ross/Maybin like a Marlon Byrd, Mike Cameron or Gabe Kapler. And I would add some Veteran depth to our Rotation (Randy Wolf, John Smoltz, Mark Prior?) Too bad none of this will probably happen.

 

 

Why would Boston want Gaby Sanchez? And why would we trade Uggla for an arbitration-eligible 28-year-old reliever who really isn't very good? This makes no sense to me, and if anything, Boston would have to add more.

 

And why in the heck is it a bad thing "to worry about him [Gaby] and Morrison fighting for the 1B job"? It's not like competition is a bad thing.

 

Mike Cameron will be too expensive to platoon; Morrison is not necessarily ready to play LF everyday in the Major Leagues.

Boston has inquired about Sanchez in the past. We wouldn't just get a reliever, we would also get Lowell. This Isnt going to happen anyways because Boston isn't going to pay both Ugglas and Lowells salary, but is a nice thought. Anyways,

 

We don't have to worry about who's playing 1st, our INF would be set.

 

We don't have to get Cameron, it's just an example and I doubt he would be too expensive, he turns 37 this year.

 

If Logan shows he isn't ready by the end of spring training, then that's why you have the FA that you signed(Cameron, Byrd, Kapler etc.) for.

It didn't dawn on me to link Lowell and Uggla in a trade, I was thinking in terms of Uggla goes somewhere where we get pieces we need/want, and Boston has two starting third basemen, or read one too many, and numerous articles have been published suggesting the Bo Sox know they have to eat 2/3 or 3/4 quarters of his salary to jettison him, net net the Marlins fill a need for less than Uggla cost last season with a legitimate 3rd baseman, perhaps we trade Uggla for in part a piece the RS want, everyone is happy (although Mike has been a bit outspoken about playing in front of empty seats here I write that off as for local RS Nation consumption).

 

But like I said, I don't about his mobility, his desire to come back, what the math looks like, what other plans the Marlins are working, it's just one scenario that on the face of it has enough merit to postulate about it.

It didn't dawn on me to link Lowell and Uggla in a trade, I was thinking in terms of Uggla goes somewhere where we get pieces we need/want, and Boston has two starting third basemen, or read one too many, and numerous articles have been published suggesting the Bo Sox know they have to eat 2/3 or 3/4 quarters of his salary to jettison him, net net the Marlins fill a need for less than Uggla cost last season with a legitimate 3rd baseman, perhaps we trade Uggla for in part a piece the RS want, everyone is happy (although Mike has been a bit outspoken about playing in front of empty seats here I write that off as for local RS Nation consumption).

 

But like I said, I don't about his mobility, his desire to come back, what the math looks like, what other plans the Marlins are working, it's just one scenario that on the face of it has enough merit to postulate about it.

 

Yes, Now that I think of it Lowell might come cheaper then Uggla. The Red Sox are trying to move Lowell and are willing to pay up to 6 of his 12 million dollars owed this year. The only issue I see here would be, if Lowell is willing to accept a trade to Florida and what would we give up?

We're going to trade Uggla for pitching. We're not trading him for a stopgap in Lowell and other junk.

We're going to trade Uggla for pitching. We're not trading him for a stopgap in Lowell and other junk.

 

 

Did you just call Mike Lowell "junk" ?

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