i see washington put him on the block... does a return make sense? is it possible? i know they are shopping for a second basemen... thoughts?

Uggla for Willingham straight up? No. But if they would include some real prospects, then maybe.

Uggla figures to be a 3 win player, where Willingham is closer to a 2 win player. Marginal wins are more valuable to a competing team.

i have no idea what that means. all i know is cog moves to his natural position and we get the obp guy everyone wants

Uggla = 3 wins

Willingham = 2 wins

 

1 win = a lot because the Marlins figure to compete this year, and 1 win can be the difference of making the playoffs or not.

 

And I don't think Coghlan would have first shot at 2B if Uggla were to depart. I don't think the organization sees Coghlan as a major league 2B.

Of course I doubt it would have any possibility of occurring, but to answer your question, I wouldn't do it. Willingham is going to be 31 this upcoming season, and has had injury problems in the past, unlike Uggla. Not to mention that Uggla is a more valuable player in general anyway.

No, the kind of production you get from Uggla at 2nd base is what makes him extremely valuable.

Production aside, Uggla will play in more games than Hammer during the course of a season, giving Hammer's refuasal to get back surgery.

Absolutely no sense in this idea. I would rather have Uggla every day of the week.

I must agree with the sentiment that one would rather have Uggla over The Hammer, if due to nothing but Willingham's injury issues.

No way I would make that trade. Now if the Nationals want to deal John Lannan maybe the Marlins would talk to them.

No way I would make that trade. Now if the Nationals want to deal John Lannan maybe the Marlins would talk to them.

 

 

Nah, the Nats have high hopes for Lannan, and we are stacked with SP potential so we don't exactly need him.

The last thing we are stacked with is SP potential.

The last thing we are stacked with is SP potential.

 

 

Yeah, this. More SP is virtually always good.

I wouldn't do it unless Washington has some good prospects to add to the deal.

 

Uggla is valuable at 2B because of his power. I like Willingham but his back could go out any second.

The last thing we are stacked with is SP potential.

 

 

I disagree. We have a lot of young pitchers full of potential. JJ and Ricky have the #'s 1 and 2 spots locked up. #'s 3-5 are going between Chris Volstad, Sean West, Andrew Miller, Anibal Sanchez, Rick Vandenhurk, and Hayden Penn I am not saying that I wouldn't want Lannan, because I would take him in a heartbeat. But if we traded Uggla, we would need to get some type of power back. So Uggla for Lannan + prospects would not cut it for me.

I would rather move Uggla to LF and keep him than trade for Willingham.

 

Now, like it's been said, if they threw in some strong prospects to sweeten the deal, I'd listen...

The last thing we are stacked with is SP potential.

 

 

I disagree. We have a lot of young pitchers full of potential. JJ and Ricky have the #'s 1 and 2 spots locked up. #'s 3-5 are going between Chris Volstad, Sean West, Andrew Miller, Anibal Sanchez, Rick Vandenhurk, and Hayden Penn I am not saying that I wouldn't want Lannan, because I would take him in a heartbeat. But if we traded Uggla, we would need to get some type of power back. So Uggla for Lannan + prospects would not cut it for me.

 

Ricky is still potentially inconsistent. Volstad was pretty bad last year. West still has major control issues. Miller is all over the place a lot of the time. Anibal has had a torn labrum and is going to always be a major risk. RVH is still unpolished. Penn has sucked most of the time, and was even lit up in AAA for a while.

 

Sure, they all have some level of potential, but depending on getting 3 good starters out that mix, while certainly possible, still makes me anxious. If we somehow develop 6+ ML quality starting pitchers, we can always trade one. Bundling up as many as possible is a good idea. Also, Ricky may be a free agent in a couple of years, and that will leave us with 4 "holes" behind JJ.

The last thing we are stacked with is SP potential.

 

 

I disagree. We have a lot of young pitchers full of potential. JJ and Ricky have the #'s 1 and 2 spots locked up. #'s 3-5 are going between Chris Volstad, Sean West, Andrew Miller, Anibal Sanchez, Rick Vandenhurk, and Hayden Penn I am not saying that I wouldn't want Lannan, because I would take him in a heartbeat. But if we traded Uggla, we would need to get some type of power back. So Uggla for Lannan + prospects would not cut it for me.

 

Chris Volstad, Andrew Miller,Sean West and Rick Vandenhurk are the only players we can count on when it comes to SP potential. Anibal Sanchez is to injury prone, and I don't even know why you mentioned Hayden Penn. 4 pitchers isn't going to cut it. Especially when all of them are up with the Marlins struggling.

The last thing we are stacked with is SP potential.

 

 

I disagree. We have a lot of young pitchers full of potential. JJ and Ricky have the #'s 1 and 2 spots locked up. #'s 3-5 are going between Chris Volstad, Sean West, Andrew Miller, Anibal Sanchez, Rick Vandenhurk, and Hayden Penn I am not saying that I wouldn't want Lannan, because I would take him in a heartbeat. But if we traded Uggla, we would need to get some type of power back. So Uggla for Lannan + prospects would not cut it for me.

 

Chris Volstad, Andrew Miller,Sean West and Rick Vandenhurk are the only players we can count on when it comes to SP potential. Anibal Sanchez is to injury prone, and I don't even know why you mentioned Hayden Penn. 4 pitchers isn't going to cut it. Especially when all of them are up with the Marlins struggling.

i dunno what marlins YOUVE been watching the past couple of years but i'd take sanchez over RVH in a f***ing second.

BTW, I mentioned Hayden Penn because the FO always seems to sprinkle his name in the discussion. I don't know why, because he was absolutely horrible last year.

 

And I would take RVH over Anibal. RVH is rapidly improving and Bert Blyleven has taken him under his wing. And the last time I checked, he had about a 1.80 ERA in the Winter Leagues. I think RVH will develop nicely into a 4th or 5th SP.

I hate to break it to you but the Winter League are not the Major Leagues. If John Lannan were on the Marlins he would be the #3 starter without a doubt. Without running down the list of potential starting pitchers for the Marlins the only one that I'm confident will have a good year from start to finish is Josh Johnson. That being said I still prefer that the Marlins keep Uggla. But, if the Nationals offered Lannan even if it was straight up the Marlins would be smart to at least consider it.

I think this argument got off track. My argument was never that the Marlins dont need or couldn't use Lannan. It was that Uggla for Lannan + prospects would be a bad deal because we would need to get some power back. We have potential SP's but we don't have any power bats with 30+ HR potential.

 

With that being said, I would love to have Lannan. He reminds me of a (way) better Scott Olsen. He doesn't throw very hard but he is consistant and a durable pitcher.

The last thing we are stacked with is SP potential.

 

 

I disagree. We have a lot of young pitchers full of potential. JJ and Ricky have the #'s 1 and 2 spots locked up. #'s 3-5 are going between Chris Volstad, Sean West, Andrew Miller, Anibal Sanchez, Rick Vandenhurk, and Hayden Penn I am not saying that I wouldn't want Lannan, because I would take him in a heartbeat. But if we traded Uggla, we would need to get some type of power back. So Uggla for Lannan + prospects would not cut it for me.

 

Chris Volstad, Andrew Miller,Sean West and Rick Vandenhurk are the only players we can count on when it comes to SP potential. Anibal Sanchez is to injury prone, and I don't even know why you mentioned Hayden Penn. 4 pitchers isn't going to cut it. Especially when all of them are up with the Marlins struggling.

i dunno what marlins YOUVE been watching the past couple of years but i'd take sanchez over RVH in a f***ing second.

 

The same Anibal Sanchez that's pitched 167 innings in the last 3 years? No thank you. I'd rather start VandenHurk than Sanchez.

The last thing we are stacked with is SP potential.

 

 

I disagree. We have a lot of young pitchers full of potential. JJ and Ricky have the #'s 1 and 2 spots locked up. #'s 3-5 are going between Chris Volstad, Sean West, Andrew Miller, Anibal Sanchez, Rick Vandenhurk, and Hayden Penn I am not saying that I wouldn't want Lannan, because I would take him in a heartbeat. But if we traded Uggla, we would need to get some type of power back. So Uggla for Lannan + prospects would not cut it for me.

 

Chris Volstad, Andrew Miller,Sean West and Rick Vandenhurk are the only players we can count on when it comes to SP potential. Anibal Sanchez is to injury prone, and I don't even know why you mentioned Hayden Penn. 4 pitchers isn't going to cut it. Especially when all of them are up with the Marlins struggling.

i dunno what marlins YOUVE been watching the past couple of years but i'd take sanchez over RVH in a f***ing second.

 

The same Anibal Sanchez that's pitched 167 innings in the last 3 years? No thank you. I'd rather start VandenHurk than Sanchez.

And RVH has pitched 154.1 innings in the past 3 years. Is it because he's been injured like Ani? No, it's been because he's been terrible as a starter.