March 1, 201016 yr This. I find it hard to believe that, if the team does drop teal, that they will come out of any rebranding effort with an identity as unique as the teal and black. The Jacksonville Jaguars and San Jose Sharks are the only pro teams that even come close, and the Jags have LA written all over them. There is way too much blue and red in MLB. There are two well established teams that feature orange and black as prominent colors. Nobody has teal but the Fish. Although I agree that the 97-02 look was best, I could live with a continuation of the current black/sliver/teal look moving forward. I for one vow to not buy or wear any Miami Marlins gear unless it has teal on it. Our team may not have 100+ years of history like some teams, history that makes their colors and identities untouchable, but dammit this is my team. I think two WS titles and a generation of South Floridians who grew up with this team like myself are enough to justify not scrapping our entire identity. Changing to Miami Marlins, fine, I'll deal. But keep the colors. Any marketing person or graphic designer(which I happen to be) with any sense will tell you you don't scrap a totally unique color scheme and brand identity in favor of something that will probably end up looking like one(or more) of your competitors. We're just starting to really develop a true fanbase and baseball identity in this town and to start all over after nearly two decades is downright stupid. It's not like we we're the Buccaneers or something, a team that flat out sucked for 20 years before revamping the team's look. In the Marlins' case I don't think there is any justifiable reason for the team to try and distance itself it's first 18 seasons. I'll feel just as outraged if the Marlins lose teal as a Yankees fan would if they got rid of pinstripes and changed to green and brown. That was a bit of a tangent and semi-off topic but I cant help but rant about the likely color change.. We stole teal from the Mariners. Great point. That said, I'm gonna miss the teal, I hate to see it go but them's the breaks. I completely disagree with the notion that we are "mucking up" with anything or that these are "pointless silly" changes as fishheatcats said previously, this transition is marketing 101.
March 1, 201016 yr I for one vow to not buy or wear any Miami Marlins gear unless it has teal on it. Our team may not have 100+ years of history like some teams, history that makes their colors and identities untouchable, but dammit this is my team. I think two WS titles and a generation of South Floridians who grew up with this team like myself are enough to justify not scrapping our entire identity. Changing to Miami Marlins, fine, I'll deal. But keep the colors. Any marketing person or graphic designer(which I happen to be) with any sense will tell you you don't scrap a totally unique color scheme and brand identity in favor of something that will probably end up looking like one(or more) of your competitors. THAT^ This. I find it hard to believe that, if the team does drop teal, that they will come out of any rebranding effort with an identity as unique as the teal and black. The Jacksonville Jaguars and San Jose Sharks are the only pro teams that even come close, and the Jags have LA written all over them. There is way too much blue and red in MLB. There are two well established teams that feature orange and black as prominent colors. Nobody has teal but the Fish. Although I agree that the 97-02 look was best, I could live with a continuation of the current black/sliver/teal look moving forward. I for one vow to not buy or wear any Miami Marlins gear unless it has teal on it. Our team may not have 100+ years of history like some teams, history that makes their colors and identities untouchable, but dammit this is my team. I think two WS titles and a generation of South Floridians who grew up with this team like myself are enough to justify not scrapping our entire identity. Changing to Miami Marlins, fine, I'll deal. But keep the colors. Any marketing person or graphic designer(which I happen to be) with any sense will tell you you don't scrap a totally unique color scheme and brand identity in favor of something that will probably end up looking like one(or more) of your competitors. We're just starting to really develop a true fanbase and baseball identity in this town and to start all over after nearly two decades is downright stupid. It's not like we we're the Buccaneers or something, a team that flat out sucked for 20 years before revamping the team's look. In the Marlins' case I don't think there is any justifiable reason for the team to try and distance itself it's first 18 seasons. I'll feel just as outraged if the Marlins lose teal as a Yankees fan would if they got rid of pinstripes and changed to green and brown. That was a bit of a tangent and semi-off topic but I cant help but rant about the likely color change.. We stole teal from the Mariners. Great point. That said, I'm gonna miss the teal, I hate to see it go but them's the breaks. I completely disagree with the notion that we are "mucking up" with anything or that these are "pointless silly" changes as fishheatcats said previously, this transition is marketing 101. We didn't steal from the Mariners. They stole from us. 1992 they wore this http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/80320456/Getty-Images-Sport 1993 they wore this We announced our color scheme in 1992 (i have a fish hat from May 1992) and Seattle moved to Navy/Teal in 1993 after ours was announced. http://www.ssur.org/research/TeamColors/Baseball/MajorLeagueBaseball/MajorLeagueBaseball.htm
March 1, 201016 yr I for one vow to not buy or wear any Miami Marlins gear unless it has teal on it. Our team may not have 100+ years of history like some teams, history that makes their colors and identities untouchable, but dammit this is my team. I think two WS titles and a generation of South Floridians who grew up with this team like myself are enough to justify not scrapping our entire identity. Changing to Miami Marlins, fine, I'll deal. But keep the colors. Any marketing person or graphic designer(which I happen to be) with any sense will tell you you don't scrap a totally unique color scheme and brand identity in favor of something that will probably end up looking like one(or more) of your competitors. THAT^ This. I find it hard to believe that, if the team does drop teal, that they will come out of any rebranding effort with an identity as unique as the teal and black. The Jacksonville Jaguars and San Jose Sharks are the only pro teams that even come close, and the Jags have LA written all over them. There is way too much blue and red in MLB. There are two well established teams that feature orange and black as prominent colors. Nobody has teal but the Fish. Although I agree that the 97-02 look was best, I could live with a continuation of the current black/sliver/teal look moving forward. I for one vow to not buy or wear any Miami Marlins gear unless it has teal on it. Our team may not have 100+ years of history like some teams, history that makes their colors and identities untouchable, but dammit this is my team. I think two WS titles and a generation of South Floridians who grew up with this team like myself are enough to justify not scrapping our entire identity. Changing to Miami Marlins, fine, I'll deal. But keep the colors. Any marketing person or graphic designer(which I happen to be) with any sense will tell you you don't scrap a totally unique color scheme and brand identity in favor of something that will probably end up looking like one(or more) of your competitors. We're just starting to really develop a true fanbase and baseball identity in this town and to start all over after nearly two decades is downright stupid. It's not like we we're the Buccaneers or something, a team that flat out sucked for 20 years before revamping the team's look. In the Marlins' case I don't think there is any justifiable reason for the team to try and distance itself it's first 18 seasons. I'll feel just as outraged if the Marlins lose teal as a Yankees fan would if they got rid of pinstripes and changed to green and brown. That was a bit of a tangent and semi-off topic but I cant help but rant about the likely color change.. We stole teal from the Mariners. Great point. That said, I'm gonna miss the teal, I hate to see it go but them's the breaks. I completely disagree with the notion that we are "mucking up" with anything or that these are "pointless silly" changes as fishheatcats said previously, this transition is marketing 101. We didn't steal from the Mariners. They stole from us. 1992 they wore this http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/80320456/Getty-Images-Sport 1993 they wore this We announced our color scheme in 1992 (i have a fish hat from May 1992) and Seattle moved to Navy/Teal in 1993 after ours was announced. http://www.ssur.org/research/TeamColors/Baseball/MajorLeagueBaseball/MajorLeagueBaseball.htm The first picture shows Griffey wearing the road uniform they still wear and is dated September 1992: http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&p=1992%20seattle%20mariners&assetType=image# I think they changed it mid-season.
March 1, 201016 yr Impossible for a mid season change. Look up Marlins 1991 and it shows us playing the cubs. Getty sometimes has the wrong dates. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/schedule.php?y=1992&t=SEA SEPT 1 they played BOS. 1993 they played MIL on SEPT 2.
March 1, 201016 yr Impossible for a mid season change. Look up Marlins 1991 and it shows us playing the cubs. Getty sometimes has the wrong dates. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/schedule.php?y=1992&t=SEA SEPT 1 they played BOS. 1993 they played MIL on SEPT 2. Could be, but I don't see how it's impossible for a team to switch uniforms mid-season. I remember the Heat changed their uniforms in the middle of the '99-'00 season.
March 1, 201016 yr Impossible for a mid season change. Look up Marlins 1991 and it shows us playing the cubs. Getty sometimes has the wrong dates. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/schedule.php?y=1992&t=SEA SEPT 1 they played BOS. 1993 they played MIL on SEPT 2. Could be, but I don't see how it's impossible for a team to switch uniforms mid-season. I remember the Heat changed their uniforms in the middle of the '99-'00 season. MLB rules. NHL has similar rules and I think so does the NFL. And yeah, Piazza's right (I knew it was impossible for you to make a good point). Also, Piazza, you're a giant liar. You're going to buy the new jersey and you know it.
March 1, 201016 yr Well if they started wearing them in '93 I'm assuming they still had to inform the league about it a year before they started wearing them like they do nowadays, so It's basically a tie. Either way, the Mariners are more popular and their jerseys have always sold more than the Marlins.
March 1, 201016 yr As an artist and art teacher... just for the record... Marlins teal and Mariners teal aren't the same exact color. The M's actually have something called Northwest Green, its green with a hint of blue which kinda makes it related to teal but its not the same. Just a technicality I know, but theyre not the same. Same as Marlins teal vs Dolphins aqua which often mistaken to be the same.
March 2, 201016 yr Impossible for a mid season change. Look up Marlins 1991 and it shows us playing the cubs. Getty sometimes has the wrong dates. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/schedule.php?y=1992&t=SEA SEPT 1 they played BOS. 1993 they played MIL on SEPT 2. Could be, but I don't see how it's impossible for a team to switch uniforms mid-season. I remember the Heat changed their uniforms in the middle of the '99-'00 season. MLB rules. NHL has similar rules and I think so does the NFL. And yeah, Piazza's right (I knew it was impossible for you to make a good point). Also, Piazza, you're a giant liar. You're going to buy the new jersey and you know it. Don't need the new Jersey unless Piazza comes outta retirement. I want the whole Board to see me walking down the stadium steps when I go and for others to think I'm a dumbass for putting a mets player on a marlins jersey. Ignorance is a fun thing to toy with. The Hat, on the other hand, I'm buying.
March 2, 201016 yr Well if they started wearing them in '93 I'm assuming they still had to inform the league about it a year before they started wearing them like they do nowadays, so It's basically a tie. Either way, the Mariners are more popular and their jerseys have always sold more than the Marlins. Ummm--that just means they have 1 Billion people in Japan wear Ichiro T-shirts. If even 1% are legitimate over there then they are outselling the Yankees. Kind of the same thing with Yao Ming in the NBA. (Look at his All-Star voting numbers even this year, or Tracy Mcgradys by association). Even that guy with the NJ Nets brings in Japanese Advertising Revenue. One Japanese or Chinese player opens up an entire revenue stream an d country for revenue by association.
March 2, 201016 yr Well if they started wearing them in '93 I'm assuming they still had to inform the league about it a year before they started wearing them like they do nowadays, so It's basically a tie. Either way, the Mariners are more popular and their jerseys have always sold more than the Marlins. Ummm--that just means they have 1 Billion people in Japan wear Ichiro T-shirts. If even 1% are legitimate over there then they are outselling the Yankees. Kind of the same thing with Yao Ming in the NBA. (Look at his All-Star voting numbers even this year, or Tracy Mcgradys by association). Even that guy with the NJ Nets brings in Japanese Advertising Revenue. One Japanese or Chinese player opens up an entire revenue stream an d country for revenue by association. Even without Ichiro they'd still outsell the Marlins. They were pretty popular back in the 90's because of Griffey and I'd see quite a few people wearing their crap. You never see anyone outside of Florida wearing Marlins gear. The Marlins have never been popular due to their love of trading away good players.
March 2, 201016 yr HA, you do here in NC. I can count 3 people including myself in the past month wearing Marlins hats. Of course NC has the the ties to the Marlins which helps a great deal.
March 2, 201016 yr Well if they started wearing them in '93 I'm assuming they still had to inform the league about it a year before they started wearing them like they do nowadays, so It's basically a tie. Either way, the Mariners are more popular and their jerseys have always sold more than the Marlins. Ummm--that just means they have 1 Billion people in Japan wear Ichiro T-shirts. If even 1% are legitimate over there then they are outselling the Yankees. Kind of the same thing with Yao Ming in the NBA. (Look at his All-Star voting numbers even this year, or Tracy Mcgradys by association). Even that guy with the NJ Nets brings in Japanese Advertising Revenue. One Japanese or Chinese player opens up an entire revenue stream an d country for revenue by association. Even without Ichiro they'd still outsell the Marlins. They were pretty popular back in the 90's because of Griffey and I'd see quite a few people wearing their crap. You never see anyone outside of Florida wearing Marlins gear. The Marlins have never been popular due to their love of trading away good players. I hear this all the time and it's always with the Mariners. Seriously, I never ever see Mariners jerseys anywhere. I bet there's a bunch in Seattle and I don't doubt that they outsell us. But seriously, where do you all see these tons of Mariner jerseys that are constantly being worn?
March 2, 201016 yr Author we should have a petition as fans and show Loria that we should be calling the shots on this one.
March 2, 201016 yr Well if they started wearing them in '93 I'm assuming they still had to inform the league about it a year before they started wearing them like they do nowadays, so It's basically a tie. Either way, the Mariners are more popular and their jerseys have always sold more than the Marlins. Ummm--that just means they have 1 Billion people in Japan wear Ichiro T-shirts. If even 1% are legitimate over there then they are outselling the Yankees. Kind of the same thing with Yao Ming in the NBA. (Look at his All-Star voting numbers even this year, or Tracy Mcgradys by association). Even that guy with the NJ Nets brings in Japanese Advertising Revenue. One Japanese or Chinese player opens up an entire revenue stream an d country for revenue by association. Even without Ichiro they'd still outsell the Marlins. They were pretty popular back in the 90's because of Griffey and I'd see quite a few people wearing their crap. You never see anyone outside of Florida wearing Marlins gear. The Marlins have never been popular due to their love of trading away good players. I hear this all the time and it's always with the Mariners. Seriously, I never ever see Mariners jerseys anywhere. I bet there's a bunch in Seattle and I don't doubt that they outsell us. But seriously, where do you all see these tons of Mariner jerseys that are constantly being worn? I said I used to see them back in the '90s back when they had Griffey. I didn't mean just specifically jerseys, but other random Mariners crap. Griffey's shoes, although not official Mariners merchandise, were also quite popular.
March 2, 201016 yr Well if they started wearing them in '93 I'm assuming they still had to inform the league about it a year before they started wearing them like they do nowadays, so It's basically a tie. Either way, the Mariners are more popular and their jerseys have always sold more than the Marlins. The Marlins might have a slight edge. The Marlins unveiled their uniforms to the public in July 1992 while the season was in progress. I don't know when Seattle unveiled their changes, but I would guess it was after the 1992 season. I think it is more likely that the Marlins submitted their design first. Mariners jerseys have been more popular because they have been a more popular team. They were one of the teams of the 90s with Griffey, Johnson, A-Rod, Buhner, Martinez, etc. and a lot of people were on their bandwagon. Then there came the Ichiro era and the fact that the Mariners haven't changed their uniforms much since 1993, or at least to the extent that the Marlins have. The Marlins were a depressing team from 1998-2002 for several reasons, but they sure were dressed well.
March 2, 201016 yr I said I used to see them back in the '90s back when they had Griffey. I didn't mean just specifically jerseys, but other random Mariners crap. Griffey's shoes, although not official Mariners merchandise, were also quite popular. Definitely. The Mariners were definitely a 90s fad, like the Red Sox and Yankees became in the 00s.
March 2, 201016 yr we should have a petition as fans and show Loria that we should be calling the shots on this one. I've actually planned on doing that exactly; start an online petition linked to all the major Marlins sites and send it to Loria and Samson. They m,ight be the owners/executive leadership and hell-bent on eradicating our history, but if we the fans are expected to buy their merchandise, we better have a say as to what that merchandise looks like. I'm all for redesigning the logos and uniformas, just not the color scheme.
March 2, 201016 yr Online petitions don't work. Maybe I'm too optimistic but I think that if people actually wanted to put some effort into it, they could convince Loria to keep the teal. At the minimum, this would take a massive e-mail campaign to the front office. Even better would be some kind of rally outside of the stadium. The bottom line is that you need a lot of people to go the extra mile to convince Loria that he will increase profits by keeping the current color scheme. This site gets enough traffic that it could be instrumental in organizing supporters. It also wouldn't hurt to get the Marlins beat writers involved.
March 3, 201016 yr Online campaigns can work as proven in the UK last Christmas. Every year for the past 5 years or so the winner of 'The X Factor' was #1 in the charts at Christmas however a huge Facebook campaign to get Rage Against the Machine's "Killing in the Name" to be the #1 worked as nearly 1,000,000 people joined the FB group. Obviously it differs slightly in that these people can go out and buy the single and directly affect the result, however the basic point I'm making is that online campaigns can become quite powerful.
March 3, 201016 yr Online campaigns can work as proven in the UK last Christmas. Every year for the past 5 years or so the winner of 'The X Factor' was #1 in the charts at Christmas however a huge Facebook campaign to get Rage Against the Machine's "Killing in the Name" to be the #1 worked as nearly 1,000,000 people joined the FB group. Obviously it differs slightly in that these people can go out and buy the single and directly affect the result, however the basic point I'm making is that online campaigns can become quite powerful. Somebody ought to start up a FB group then, if there already isn't one. But a physical petition or protest or something would be more of a powerful message. I remember a few years back Orioles fans had gripes with ownership and had a "free the birds" walkout during a game and thousands of fans just got up and left all at once. Don't know if it accomplished anything but it's an idea. I think we can all agree we like the teal and black colors. I'm totally okay with the name change and logos/uniforms changing(in 2012 anyway), but the colors need to stay. If we as fans can do something to make that happen then we should. Maybe at next year's FanFest just grill Samson with question after question about keeping teal(although that might be too late).
March 4, 201016 yr Online campaigns can work as proven in the UK last Christmas. Every year for the past 5 years or so the winner of 'The X Factor' was #1 in the charts at Christmas however a huge Facebook campaign to get Rage Against the Machine's "Killing in the Name" to be the #1 worked as nearly 1,000,000 people joined the FB group. Obviously it differs slightly in that these people can go out and buy the single and directly affect the result, however the basic point I'm making is that online campaigns can become quite powerful. Somebody ought to start up a FB group then, if there already isn't one. But a physical petition or protest or something would be more of a powerful message. I remember a few years back Orioles fans had gripes with ownership and had a "free the birds" walkout during a game and thousands of fans just got up and left all at once. Don't know if it accomplished anything but it's an idea. I think we can all agree we like the teal and black colors. I'm totally okay with the name change and logos/uniforms changing(in 2012 anyway), but the colors need to stay. If we as fans can do something to make that happen then we should. Maybe at next year's FanFest just grill Samson with question after question about keeping teal(although that might be too late). Good idea, so I just created one: Keep the Marlins Teal.
March 4, 201016 yr Ummm--that just means they have 1 Billion people in Japan wear Ichiro T-shirts. A billion people living on those mountainous islands? Impossibly crowded. My guess would be under 150 million. And I would even throw in the Ryukyu Islands, which the USA gave back to Japan in the 1970's. (I was actually there the day they switched from driving on the right to driving on the left. That day was fun.)
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