Hayes hurt in collision with Nats' Morgan

 

 

An X-ray on Hayes' left shoulder came back negative. An MRI will be taken on Wednesday to see if there is any separation of structural damage.

Either way, Hayes will be out for a while. He said the range of motion in his arm right now is not good. The Marlins will make a roster move to add a catcher on Wednesday

 

Can we please throw at Morgan tomorrow?

I think most of us agree that it wasn't right what Morgan did and I feel for Hayes. I hope he's ok and gets better quickly. But I think after the game, Conine said it wasn't a "dirty play" or whatever. That he had two options: slide or try to knock the ball out of Hayes hands. Whatever..it was the stupid thing to do and the wrong thing to do. And thankfully, it backfired in Morgan's face: 1) Hayes never let go of the ball (which still amazes me) and 2) Had he slid in at home, who knows, maybe the Nats would've won or at least it would've been tied later that inning. It was a bad decision by Morgan and not only are we, Marlins fans, pissed but I hope the rest of the players on the Nats are pissed as well. Didn't something similar happen to Miguel Olivo when he was on the Marlins, but the only difference was, the dude who collided with Olivo got hurt instead?

 

And yes, by all means, bean him!

Hit him, hit him, hit him, a million times hit him.

There should've been a brawl tonight. It was so blatant and he was probably safe if he slid. At least on TV it was blatent. I was at the game, but way up in right field so I didn't the best view of it.

 

 

Edit: I forgot about trying to knock the ball loose. That's what I thought he tried to do when I was at the game. The hit didn't look so bad from where I saw it from. But I was shocked when I saw it on TV. Since he had a pretty good chance of being safe if he slid, I don't think it was justified. Hanley OTOH would've been justified at charging because he Should've been out by a mile. I still think he was out, but I'm not complaining.

I still think he was out, but I'm not complaining.

 

Fox-mo says otherwise :thumbup

i think the bigger problem is that hayes will probably be out for the rest of the season and now we have no paulino, baker, or hayes. Clearly davis will be getting the starts.

 

i think its probably vinny rottino who comes up. Having a solid year offensively.

yeah, exactly who else is left in our system?

After all of this, Hayes STILL doesn't break the SC top ten. Poor chap, at least he can take to bed that he saved that game tonight. Hayes is a grown man, and Morgan is a trick ass pony bi**h.

our catchers are dropping like flies. By opening day's standards, we're gonna be running with 4th and 5th string players? Baker/Paulie -> Hayes - > Davis - > ???

 

I hope Morgan gets his block knocked off

Technically, it wasn't a dirty play but Morgan does seem to have trouble controlling his super-aggressive tendencies. While he clearly would have been safe had he slid, he probably thinks he's so fast that there wouldn't be a throw able to get him; his only chance once the ball showed up became a collision.

 

Hanley directly contributed to the problem, he triple-clutched and still made a high throw that left Hayes unnecessarily exposed. An on-target, low throw leaves Hayes in a crouch and Morgan the one more exposed to injury.

 

Throw at him? Sure. Bean him? Uncalled for and dangerous. All of which is probably moot as he'll probably be sitting on the bench tomorrow to avoid a brawl.

I want to see kyle skipworth called up to see what he's got. I know hes not ready but its worth a shot

Technically, it wasn't a dirty play but Morgan does seem to have trouble controlling his super-aggressive tendencies. While he clearly would have been safe had he slid, he probably thinks he's so fast that there wouldn't be a throw able to get him; his only chance once the ball showed up became a collision.

 

Hanley directly contributed to the problem, he triple-clutched and still made a high throw that left Hayes unnecessarily exposed. An on-target, low throw leaves Hayes in a crouch and Morgan the one more exposed to injury.

 

Throw at him? Sure. Bean him? Uncalled for and dangerous. All of which is probably moot as he'll probably be sitting on the bench tomorrow to avoid a brawl.

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if he was benched tomorrow. But ya know, our defense may become sloppy and someone may throw a ball wildly into the Nats dugout and accidently hit Morgan anyway :whistle that was a joke...should he get hit for what he did? I don't know...yes it would create a brawl most likely. And no I guess we wouldn't want any other players to get hurt. And yes, he paid for his decision to collide with Hayes in a different way: he could've scored, but instead was out and we won the game. So maybe we should just forget about it? I know one thing, if someone gets hit by a pitch, it'll be interesting to see what happens

I'm hoping it's Chris Hatcher who get's called. I've been waiting a long time to see him up.

 

 

Hatcher the Catcher!

I'm hoping it's Chris Hatcher who get's called. I've been waiting a long time to see him up.

 

 

Hatcher the Catcher!

 

 

hehe were you really waiting a long time to see him up or just so you can chant Hatcher the Catcher?

Even if Morgan is on the bench, it's quite likely both sides will be warned before the game starts that if anyone gets hit it will result in the ejection of that pitcher and his manager, which can happen even without any warning at all. A bit unfair perhaps, but the umpires are charged with doing whatever they have to do to maintain order.

 

If I'm an owner, I really don't want to see $50 million worth of my players engaged in a scrum which might result in injury, perhaps serious injury for no reason other than that emotions are running high. No fan in their right mind does either, it might be your guy who ends up out for the season when the free-for-all is over.

 

There's a certain segment of fandom that thinks that playground rules should apply, but 750 allegedly professional MLB players are collectively paid about $2.4 BILLION a year. It's really not unreasonable to expect that their emotional maturity would be slightly greater than a bunch of 12 year-olds. Which is often what we get. They manage to act like 14 year-olds.

 

Rule 8.02 - Throwing at the Batter

 

(...)

 

If, in the umpire's judgment, such a violation occurs, the umpire may elect either to:

• Expel the pitcher, or the manager and the pitcher, from the game, or
   
  
• may warn the pitcher and the manager of both teams that another such pitch will result in the immediate expulsion of that pitcher (or a replacement) and the manager.
  

If, in the umpire's judgment, circumstances warrant, both teams may be officially "warned" prior to the game or at any time during the game.

 

Actually, if they're smart about it, they'll wait and hit him next year after the umpires have all completely forgotten about the whole deal. That might be closer to a 25 year-old mentality. Both dugouts will laugh about it and that'll be the end of it.

I'm hoping it's Chris Hatcher who get's called. I've been waiting a long time to see him up.

 

 

Hatcher the Catcher!

 

 

hehe were you really waiting a long time to see him up or just so you can chant Hatcher the Catcher?

Hell yeah, since the first time I saw him in Spring Training a few years ago. So what if he can't even hit well in the minors? it's not Hatcher the Hitter.

 

It depends on how many catchers you call up. Usually you carry 3 catchers in September. I think it'll be Rottino who gets called and if Hayes is out it will then be Hatcher.

Technically, it wasn't a dirty play but Morgan does seem to have trouble controlling his super-aggressive tendencies. While he clearly would have been safe had he slid, he probably thinks he's so fast that there wouldn't be a throw able to get him; his only chance once the ball showed up became a collision.

 

Hanley directly contributed to the problem, he triple-clutched and still made a high throw that left Hayes unnecessarily exposed. An on-target, low throw leaves Hayes in a crouch and Morgan the one more exposed to injury.

 

Throw at him? Sure. Bean him? Uncalled for and dangerous. All of which is probably moot as he'll probably be sitting on the bench tomorrow to avoid a brawl.

 

 

Pretty much agree. Wasn't dirty, just baseball. Classify it as over aggressive maybe. But that's the way some players play the game. Most likely he didn't even know it was a high throw until just before crunch time.

 

Had the tables been turned, exactly how many now complaining would be bashing our runner? Answer---Zero.

I'm hoping it's Chris Hatcher who get's called. I've been waiting a long time to see him up.

 

 

Hatcher the Catcher!

 

 

Saw him a bit in ST. Not bad behind the plate. His g/f was standing up on one of the tables over by the Marlins pen taking pics of him at bat. Talked to her for a bit. She said he knew that alot of things had to happen for him to make it to this level this year and that he was really hoping to make it to AAA.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing him get the call.

Even if Morgan is on the bench, it's quite likely both sides will be warned before the game starts that if anyone gets hit it will result in the ejection of that pitcher and his manager, which can happen even without any warning at all. A bit unfair perhaps, but the umpires are charged with doing whatever they have to do to maintain order.

 

If I'm an owner, I really don't want to see $50 million worth of my players engaged in a scrum which might result in injury, perhaps serious injury for no reason other than that emotions are running high. No fan in their right mind does either, it might be your guy who ends up out for the season when the free-for-all is over.

 

There's a certain segment of fandom that thinks that playground rules should apply, but 750 allegedly professional MLB players are collectively paid about $2.4 BILLION a year. It's really not unreasonable to expect that their emotional maturity would be slightly greater than a bunch of 12 year-olds. Which is often what we get. They manage to act like 14 year-olds.

 

Rule 8.02 - Throwing at the Batter

 

(...)

 

If, in the umpire's judgment, such a violation occurs, the umpire may elect either to:

• Expel the pitcher, or the manager and the pitcher, from the game, or
   
  
• may warn the pitcher and the manager of both teams that another such pitch will result in the immediate expulsion of that pitcher (or a replacement) and the manager.
  

If, in the umpire's judgment, circumstances warrant, both teams may be officially "warned" prior to the game or at any time during the game.

 

Actually, if they're smart about it, they'll wait and hit him next year after the umpires have all completely forgotten about the whole deal. That might be closer to a 25 year-old mentality. Both dugouts will laugh about it and that'll be the end of it.

 

Well I agree. If they do hit him, it would cause a lot of problems as you explained. I think it's something we all just want to see, but we know it's for the better that it doesn't happen.

I'm hoping it's Chris Hatcher who get's called. I've been waiting a long time to see him up.

 

 

Hatcher the Catcher!

 

 

hehe were you really waiting a long time to see him up or just so you can chant Hatcher the Catcher?

Hell yeah, since the first time I saw him in Spring Training a few years ago. So what if he can't even hit well in the minors? it's not Hatcher the Hitter.

 

It depends on how many catchers you call up. Usually you carry 3 catchers in September. I think it'll be Rottino who gets called and if Hayes is out it will then be Hatcher.

 

Hehe well..I'm interested in who they'll call up also. I still feel bad for Hayes though. We've had bad luck with injuries and such this year. I hope next year isn't going to be like this. But that's the way it goes in sports. [ugh if you call hurting your knee pieing someone or tying your shoes sports-related]

I have a feeling morgan wont be in the lineup tonight

i know hatcher had a good game last night but rottino has had a solid offensive year with just a bit of major league time.

Marlins seldom stand up for themselves and their managers never do.

 

And until they do, other teams and umpires will punk them.

 

Start Veras, throw at Morgan until you hit him and have a couple of guys led by Uncle Wes go Morgan hunting in the ensuing dust up.

I am also in agreement that was a clean play Too bad Hayes paid the price more because Hanleys throw was high and away than because of Morgan being overaggressive. If Morgan would have chose to slide he would have been safe because Hayes had no chance in applying the tag to the runner. I am sure Morgan is regretting that now. Was it irresponsible of Morgan , I doubt it it was just how he approached the play as he ran to home. It would be wrong to bean him for that reason

Marlins seldom stand up for themselves and their managers never do.

 

And until they do, other teams and umpires will punk them.

 

Start Veras, throw at Morgan until you hit him and have a couple of guys led by Uncle Wes go Morgan hunting in the ensuing dust up.

 

 

Because that ended so well for the Reds/Cardinals.