Maybe it's just me, but I'd like to see players like Hanley take the rest of the season off. I'm sure he feels like it anyway; he, supposedly, has a sore elbow. We know what we're getting from him next year.

 

I know they're still trying to win (especially Edwin...because his job is still up in the air)...but I'd just like to see guys like Maybin play everyday. I'd like to see Bonifacio play a different position everyday. I'd like to see Scott Cousins get more playing time. I'd like to see Clay Hensley close games. I'd like to see Sanabia progress. I'd like to see if Mendez can continue pitching well, and maybe (as Edwin has said) he can be a piece in next year's bullpen. I'd like to see Ceda have some good games. Let Stanton and Morrison continue getting big league experience.

 

That's all I care about these last 17 games.

 

Hanley already reached his individual goals; he's hitting over .300, 20+ HR's, 30+ SB's. Just let him rest for what's remaining this season (we're not in playoff contention).

 

Same for Uggla (once he reaches his individual goal of 100+ RBI's).

 

Anyone agree?

I don't think I've ever seen a team do that. I don't think it'd be a good idea. Most of our games would probably end up being like that terrible one against the Phillies where we had no starter. The offense we can afford to rest up, but the pitching would make every game long and pointless. Before that game, I used to believe that if you can't win then you should just lose and take the draft picks but it's depressing getting destroyed because of a huge hole in the game.

 

I'm all for resting people a bit more though. I was all for JJ being shut down and Nolasco being shut down. I'd really consider shutting Hanley down as well, but not Uggla. Realistically, we shouldn't risk injury when it's pointless but to give everyone the time off is a bit too much.

 

Thinking more about this, who would we shut down besides Uggla and Hanley? There's no one in that batting lineup that wouldn't benefit from more AB's.

I don't think I've ever seen a team do that. I don't think it'd be a good idea. Most of our games would probably end up being like that terrible one against the Phillies where we had no starter. The offense we can afford to rest up, but the pitching would make every game long and pointless. Before that game, I used to believe that if you can't win then you should just lose and take the draft picks but it's depressing getting destroyed because of a huge hole in the game.

 

I'm all for resting people a bit more though. I was all for JJ being shut down and Nolasco being shut down. I'd really consider shutting Hanley down as well, but not Uggla. Realistically, we shouldn't risk injury when it's pointless but to give everyone the time off is a bit too much.

 

Thinking more about this, who would we shut down besides Uggla and Hanley? There's no one in that batting lineup that wouldn't benefit from more AB's.

 

 

 

That's my point.

The reason for the blowouts is because JJ & Nolasco are out for the year, and suspensions. I'd like to see all of our pitchers continue pitching, if they're healthy.

 

Hanley and Uggla though...you already know what you're getting next year. And Hanley is actually being bothered by his elbow already, as you said.

 

We'd still have young guys like Morrison, Gaby, Maybin, and Stanton in the lineup. Blowouts every night wouldn't be likely; I mean, a big part of the reason why we got blown out was because we were playing the best team in the National League. That's not going to happen every night; we don't play the Phillies again this year, actually. Our schedule the rest of the way is pretty weak, I believe.

I agree somewhat, maybe not every game, but on and off I have no problem with that... I assume Hanley will be in the lineup tomorrow.

 

I think its important for the club to finish above the .500 mark... Not that its really extremely important, but it just looks better.

I don't think I've ever seen a team do that. I don't think it'd be a good idea. Most of our games would probably end up being like that terrible one against the Phillies where we had no starter. The offense we can afford to rest up, but the pitching would make every game long and pointless. Before that game, I used to believe that if you can't win then you should just lose and take the draft picks but it's depressing getting destroyed because of a huge hole in the game.

 

I'm all for resting people a bit more though. I was all for JJ being shut down and Nolasco being shut down. I'd really consider shutting Hanley down as well, but not Uggla. Realistically, we shouldn't risk injury when it's pointless but to give everyone the time off is a bit too much.

 

Thinking more about this, who would we shut down besides Uggla and Hanley? There's no one in that batting lineup that wouldn't benefit from more AB's.

 

 

 

That's my point.

The reason for the blowouts is because JJ & Nolasco are out for the year, and suspensions. I'd like to see all of our pitchers continue pitching, if they're healthy.

 

Hanley and Uggla though...you already know what you're getting next year. And Hanley is actually being bothered by his elbow already, as you said.

 

We'd still have young guys like Morrison, Gaby, Maybin, and Stanton in the lineup. Blowouts every night wouldn't be likely; I mean, a big part of the reason why we got blown out was because we were playing the best team in the National League. That's not going to happen every night; we don't play the Phillies again this year, actually. Our schedule the rest of the way is pretty weak, I believe.

 

 

Then perhaps give them more days off, but you can't go out and say you're shutting both of them down for the rest of the season. You've got think that there would be some sort of a media frenzy if that happens. I'm sure the Marlins will give Hanley multiple days off, and the same (but to a lesser degree) to Uggla. I personally think that's fine.

I've already taken the rest of this season off from watching games, that's for sure.

 

In all seriousness I would rest who we can at this point. I don't want Hanley or Uggla getting hurt playing in pointless games. Unfortunately, with guys like Donnie Murphy and Coghlan out for the rest of the year, we may not have much of an option but to play them.

I've pretty much taken it off as well. The front office clearly has too, as they have called up pitchers on name-recognition basis instead of merit or talent.

I'm not entirely opposed to this but I just feel that every game matters. Our overall record matters. In the end, I wanna finish a few games above .500, with a strong September, and no less than 3rd place. Look at San Diego at the end of 2009, at look at them now. I think its crucial for us to finish strong and prove our worth. We disappointed this season but we are far from being the worst team. I'd hate to finish poorly.

I care about them getting over 80.5 wins.. i am definitely scared

Yeah, winning games is important.

 

Imagine what our attendance would be like if we shut down Hanley and Uggla for the year. That is a TON of money gone. The leaked financial reports showed just how important attendance is to revenue.

 

On top of which, why would Uggla want to be shut down? He's still playing for a contract. At the absolute least, every game he plays is more money in arbitration. Hanley makes a lot more sense - with his contract, it's important for us that he's healthy and on his side he's getting paid regardless. But what do we get then? Bonifacio playing SS? It's not like Hanley being taken out of the line up opens room for someone of importance.

Yeah, winning games is important.

 

Imagine what our attendance would be like if we shut down Hanley and Uggla for the year. That is a TON of money gone. The leaked financial reports showed just how important attendance is to revenue.

 

On top of which, why would Uggla want to be shut down? He's still playing for a contract. At the absolute least, every game he plays is more money in arbitration. Hanley makes a lot more sense - with his contract, it's important for us that he's healthy and on his side he's getting paid regardless. But what do we get then? Bonifacio playing SS? It's not like Hanley being taken out of the line up opens room for someone of importance.

 

 

 

This makes sense I guess, but would it really affect attendance? Does it really matter? Our attendance sucks regardless, and there are only 9 home games left, anyway.

 

What about the possibility of maybe calling up Osvaldo Martinez before the season ends? I'm guessing the odds there aren't great since he's not on the 40 man, but just asking.

He has to be added to the 40 man in the offseason anyway because he's Rule 5 eligible, just have to wait for the AA playoffs to be over. The only issue I can think of is he's going to the AFL; I'm not sure how that will effect the choice if to call him up or not. FWIW Buente is going to the AFL and he's up now.

 

But, he can just play third base.

He has to be added to the 40 man in the offseason anyway because he's Rule 5 eligible, just have to wait for the AA playoffs to be over. The only issue I can think of is he's going to the AFL; I'm not sure how that will effect the choice if to call him up or not. FWIW Buente is going to the AFL and he's up now.

 

But, he can just play third base.

 

 

 

Hopefully the organization gives him some games at 3B, then.

As for Buente, I think he's actually out for the year now, and it's uncertain if he'll pitch in the AFL after the season.

I agree completely.

Let them basically start recovering early so they can start working out again at 100 % whenever they want in the offseason.

 

As soon as Hanley felt pain in his elbow it should have been a red flag to give him time off.

 

As for Uggla hopefully he reaches that 100 RBI mark so he can have some well earn time off.

 

New Lineup

 

Bonifacio SS

Maybin CF

Morrison LF

Gaby 1B

Stanton RF (Can interchange with Gaby)

Tracy/Helms 3B

Luna 2B...

Hayes C

 

You can also throw in Cousins to play any outfield spot every 2 or 3 games and maybe even give Logan some time at 1st but that's less likely. Also my best guess in Dominguez will be called up after the AA Playoffs so lets see if he can get some playing time same with Ozzie Martinez.

 

Man I wish Coghlan and D Murphy Weren't hurt because this would be a good time to have Murphy play SS and Coghlan maybe start the switch to 3B.

lol, Dominguez is not getting called up to the majors after the AA playoffs. He's probably going to repeat AA or go to AAA. He had a mediocre season in AA with a nice finish (great month of August and hell of a September now).

 

Dude still has a hell of a lot to learn and is still nowhere near MLB ready.

lol, Dominguez is not getting called up to the majors after the AA playoffs. He's probably going to repeat AA or go to AAA. He had a mediocre season in AA with a nice finish (great month of August and hell of a September now).

 

Dude still has a hell of a lot to learn and is still nowhere near MLB ready.

 

 

I beg to differ. His glove has been MLB ready since high school, and his bat is coming along nicely for what has been expected of him.

 

I say he gets called up Sept. of '11 and is a starter by 2012 (best-case scenario)

I'm not arguing that his glove his major league ready, it's his bat. Dominguez has a history of being mediocre early in seasons and getting hot at the very end. Until I can see sustained success, I'm not ready to rush him to the majors.

 

I said the same thing about Stanton just before this season (Stanton had a history of being ok early in seasons and getting hot as he got used to the league), I really hope the same thing is happening to Dominguez.

 

Let's not forget Dominguez just turned 21 less than a month ago. He's got a lot of time to learn. No need to call him up before he's 100% ready.

 

And I completely agree with you floridafly, I think the Marlins goal heading into next season is for Dominguez to be a September call up and for him to be ready to start by the time the new stadium opens.

 

Still, let's be patient with him. He's not the prospect Stanton or Morrison were, so we need to be more careful about the exact time we call this guy up, as he may not be ready at the time we need him (which would be next year).

I'm not arguing that his glove his major league ready, it's his bat. Dominguez has a history of being mediocre early in seasons and getting hot at the very end. Until I can see sustained success, I'm not ready to rush him to the majors.

 

I said the same thing about Stanton just before this season (Stanton had a history of being ok early in seasons and getting hot as he got used to the league), I really hope the same thing is happening to Dominguez.

 

Let's not forget Dominguez just turned 21 less than a month ago. He's got a lot of time to learn. No need to call him up before he's 100% ready.

 

And I completely agree with you floridafly, I think the Marlins goal heading into next season is for Dominguez to be a September call up and for him to be ready to start by the time the new stadium opens.

 

Still, let's be patient with him. He's not the prospect Stanton or Morrison were, so we need to be more careful about the exact time we call this guy up, as he may not be ready at the time we need him (which would be next year).

 

 

I'm not saying oh hey lets throw our top prospect into the starting lineup of an MLB Game at the age of 20 when he didn't even put up a .260 average in AA. I'm just saying call him up, let him be around the guys and put him in late in games if anything as a defensive replacement to just give him a little taste of what it's like. Something like 5-15 PA's and a couple of innings in the field is fine. We do still have Helms and Tracy or Boni so he shouldn't be starting anyways.

 

There is no doubt he's going back to the minors (AA) next year no matter what, all I'm saying is there's no problem in getting the kids feet a little wet when we can.

Then you're starting his arbitration clock way earlier than needed. Literally no point in calling somebody up and starting his arbi clock with only two weeks left, and let's be honestly, nobody is going to learn anything in two weeks.

 

The earliest we are going to see Dominguez is September of 2011 (barring a Stanton like tear to begin 2011, which is unlikely).

Then you're starting his arbitration clock way earlier than needed. Literally no point in calling somebody up and starting his arbi clock with only two weeks left, and let's be honestly, nobody is going to learn anything in two weeks.

 

The earliest we are going to see Dominguez is September of 2011 (barring a Stanton like tear to begin 2011, which is unlikely).

 

 

Damn I completely forgot about arbitration.

 

Good point there.

i agree gave Hanley and Uggla time off

i agree gave Hanley and Uggla time off

Hanley wants us to know that he really is hurt and not dogging

 

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/2010/09/18/florida-marlins-manager-edwin-rodriguez-thinks-hanley-ramirez-out-again-with-sore-elbow-is-worried-fans-may-think-hes-dogging-it/

Hanley wants us to know that he really is hurt and not dogginghttp://blogs.palmbea...hes-dogging-it/

 

God Job by Edwin, I love how he is open to the media about almost every detail concerning his players on the field.

 

I wouldn't mind him being resigned for another year or two. Hanley needs to just take time off, as previously stated the Marlins as a team and Hanley as an individual are not playing for anything anymore so no point of risking further injury.

Hanley wants us to know that he really is hurt and not dogging

 

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/2010/09/18/florida-marlins-manager-edwin-rodriguez-thinks-hanley-ramirez-out-again-with-sore-elbow-is-worried-fans-may-think-hes-dogging-it/

 

Actually, Edwin wants us to know that Hanley is really hurt.