gizmo Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 Look at it this way, at least we are heading to a slightly better draft pick.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 There's still a season going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridafly Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 There's still a season going on? Yeah, its called the NFL :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 What's this thing you call baseball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 just end this nightmare season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 What an embarassing pitching performance against a Cubs lineup missing Soriano, Ramirez, Soto, Fukudome, Byrd and Co Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitDaCycle Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 Luna hit a pinch hit home run :o Uggla hit a home run! Sorry just trying to focus on the positives...I feel for those who actually were at this game..fanning themselves to try to stay cool. They showed the crowd at one point and there were two women with their faces red from heat. Right now the Marlins are really playing horribly. I think they're looking forward to the end of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 Hypothetical: IF (notice I said IF) Loria relly cares about this team doing well on the field, I would really like to know what his thoughts are right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamimarlinswin Posted September 19, 2010 Share Posted September 19, 2010 Hypothetical: IF (notice I said IF) Loria relly cares about this team doing well on the field, I would really like to know what his thoughts are right now Well he is probably printing up playoff tickets, right ? Didn't he declare us a playoff team before the season ? :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 What a joke. I forgot the game was going on after about 5 innings. Better draft pick, here we come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirspud Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Luna hit a pinch hit home run :o Uggla hit a home run! Sorry just trying to focus on the positives...I feel for those who actually were at this game..fanning themselves to try to stay cool. They showed the crowd at one point and there were two women with their faces red from heat. Right now the Marlins are really playing horribly. I think they're looking forward to the end of the season Why weren't they watching the Dolphins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heat84 Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Wow, nobody said a thing about the Cubs player getting stabbed by a piece of broken baseball bat and going to the hospital. I just saw it on the news. I'm surprised that doesn't happen more oftern. Is this incident gonna lead to any major changes in baseball bats. Aluminum is out of the question, so what about carbon fiber bats? Is that possible? They're gonna have to use a different material sooner or later. Either they're gonna run out of trees to kill or the green movement is get to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 How come Miller can be a major league pitcher and I can't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Is this incident gonna lead to any major changes in baseball bats It'll probably take a serious injury, but banning maple bats would eliminate most of the problem. Maple bats shatter with such high frequency because it is much more brittle than ash. Players like maple because it is slightly harder than ash, but it's quite obviously much more dangerous. Either they're gonna run out of trees to kill or (,,,) U.S. hardwood production is over 10 billion board feet (12" x 12" x 1") per year. Hillerich & Bradsby, makers of the Louisville Slugger, the most popular brand of bat makes about a half-million bats a year (all types, including those for MLB.) Assume they make 25% of all bats. That's puts total production at about 2 million bats per year. Each bat made consumes about 4.4 board feet of hardwood (4 x 4 x 40 = 640 cubic inches / 144 cu. in. per board foot.) That's about 8.8 million board feet of lumber to produce 2 million bats. Bat production consumes less than one tenth of one percent of U.S. hardwood production, so, no, we're not gonna run out of trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Is this incident gonna lead to any major changes in baseball bats It'll probably take a serious injury, but banning maple bats would eliminate most of the problem. Maple bats shatter with such high frequency because it is much more brittle than ash. Players like maple because it is slightly harder than ash, but it's quite obviously much more dangerous. Either they're gonna run out of trees to kill or (,,,) U.S. hardwood production is over 10 billion board feet (12" x 12" x 1") per year. Hillerich & Bradsby, makers of the Louisville Slugger, the most popular brand of bat makes about a half-million bats a year (all types, including those for MLB.) Assume they make 25% of all bats. That's puts total production at about 2 million bats per year. Each bat made consumes about 4.4 board feet of hardwood (4 x 4 x 40 = 640 cubic inches / 144 cu. in. per board foot.) That's about 8.8 million board feet of lumber to produce 2 million bats. Bat production consumes less than one tenth of one percent of U.S. hardwood production, so, no, we're not gonna run out of trees. You're like a miniature Justice Brandeis :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 I would have guessed it would have been much less than one tenth of one percent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Well, it could be. I assumed H&B only has 25% of the market, it could easily be 50%. Which would cut that 1/10th percent in half. For anyone who cares about the relative hardness of maple versus ash, the Janka hardness scale, which measures the force needed to embed a .444 inch steel ball into wood to a depth of .222 inch, rates maple at 1450 and ash at 1320 pounds-force. By way of comparison, pine rates at 420, balsa at 100 and some South American and African exotics are the hardest at 4500. So, maple is about 10% harder than ash. Minor difference, but ballplayers want every edge they can get. Even if it might injure someone. In the case of a bat the injury would be to someone other than the hitter. We came close to seeing a player with a severed carotid artery gushing blood on the field. That can kill you within 5 minutes. I guess the rule is don't watch the ball until you're sure that there isn't a nasty hunk of shattered bat flying at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nny Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 I mean certainly, something bad might happen. At the same time, it's been over a hundred years. I think we can say the chances of something bad happening is slim. Reminds me of when the minor league first base coach died from getting hit on the head and all of a sudden there was a big thing about their safety. And that's then their ingenious fix (Mandatory helmets that don't even cover the part of the head he was hit). (How long have base coaches been used?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 Good article on maple versus ash from 2 years ago: http://www.rockymoun...te-maple-vs-ash Notes a couple of nasty injuries in the news back then, there have been more since, and nothing much has happened since on the bat front; MLB continues to collect busted bats and study the issue. As for whether players actually gain any advantage: A study in 2005 by Dr. James Sherwood of the Baseball Research Institute at the University of Massachusetts-Lowell found no evidence that a baseball hit by a maple bat carried farther than an ash bat-struck baseball. Considering that baseball moves at a glacial pace when it comes to rules changes (generally a good thing,) nothing will likely happen until there's some horrendous injury or a death, and maybe not even then. My opinion is that maple should be banned, it's too brittle (perhaps due to being over-dried to get the weight down) and dangerous for no net detectable gain in performance even though it's slightly harder. At least institute a minimum moisture-content level (yes, it's easily tested) to prevent over-drying, a la the ball rules in Colorado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 I would have guessed it would have been much less than one tenth of one percent. I should add, and I shared your inclination before I ran my approximation, the .001 is of hardwood production. The U.S. also produces 45 billion board feet of softwood lumber every year (not that they make any bats out of pine, etc.) Bats only account for one or two ten-thousandths of total lumber production, truly infinitesimal and more in line with a reasonable perception. We have plenty of trees, because the people who harvest them like Weyerhaeuser, not being stupid, have been planting new ones for the last 70-80 years. Sort of like Loria (and many other owners) re-seeding the minors periodically. Don't know where anyone gets the idea we're running out other than from tree-hugger propaganda, never mind that the level of bat production could never possibly make even the slightest difference to the general public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamibaseball Posted September 20, 2010 Share Posted September 20, 2010 marlins put white flag out too many player hurt good time bring guys that marlins want see for next year from farm teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.