Sorry, but I'm with Dim on this one about LoMo. Everyone always complains that we live and die by the homerun and finally we have some guys (Coghlan, LoMo) who can constantly get on base at the top of the order and set the table for the power hitters. We had that back in 2003. The only thing that's missing is the speed.

 

LoMo is going nowhere. The power will develop eventually. Look at his XBH numbers in his limited play time. Unless we are trading for a Roy Halladay, LoMo stays.

 

 

Whoever has a problem with living and dying by the HR just has a problem. A HR is the best possible thing a player can do when he steps in for his plate apperance.

 

Mike Stanton's are more valuable than Logan Morrison's.

 

If you think a player like Logan Morrison is worth a guy the caliber of Roy Halladay in return (or, I guess a better comparison of a younger ace, possibly on the trade market...Zack Grienke), then you are just overrating Logan Morrison.

 

HRs are fantastic. Especially Stanton HRs. But I would love to have some guys on the team that can score runs without the long ball, which is part of a successful offense unless you have an entire lineup filled with guys who can hit 40 HRs. I'm not saying that Morrison would net us a Halladay. I'm just really hesitant to trade a guy who has shown that he can get on base at a high rate consistently at both the minor and major league level.

 

A guy like Stanton is more valuable than a guy like Morrison, but I think having both is what makes a lineup really great.

 

 

People are overreacting, though.

 

Trading Morrison is something that should be considered, if it makes the team better (there are possibilities, where such a trade can occur, and we can become a better team). Just because you consider trading a guy doesn't mean the guy doesn't have value; it also doesn't mean that he's going to get traded.

 

Obviously, if given the choice of who to trade, Gaby would go way before Morrison. But until you know for sure exactly what other teams think of each player, you can't just say "well, this guy is untouchable."

 

Guys like Stanton, on the other hand, are untouchable because they're on another level.

 

And that's another one of my points. It seems like people are now thinking that Stanton/Morrison have similar value in a trade, etc. They don't. Stanton is on another level. When all is said and done, Stanton has the potential to be the best player on this team. Better than Morrison. Better than Uggla. Better than Hanley. Better than most of the players in MLB, if not the best player in baseball. That's Stanton's potential. Morrison's potential is nowhere near that. I'd be thrilled if Morrison became Daric Barton, with some more power. Those types of players aren't "untouchable," though.

LoMo is a left handed bat, a contact hitter, an OBP machine, and a plus glove.............all attributes this team is badly in need of. Fortunately, I don't see the risk of Beinfest losing his mind by trading him.....and no I wouldn't trade him for Hellickson.

Here is Capozzi 's opinion about what is in store

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/marlins/third-base-prospect-matt-dominguez-an-option-for-951638.html

 

 

Third-base prospect Matt Dominguez an option for Florida Marlins in 2011

Doug Benc/Getty Images Enlarge Photo Matt Dominguez, the team's first-round pick in 2007, could be a part of the 2011 Marlins. He has already impressed team officials with his defense at third base. Rob Carr/AP More Marlins stories By Joe Capozzi

 

MIAMI GARDENS — The Marlins used 21 rookies, more than any team in baseball, in a season that ended Sunday with an 80-82 record because of injuries, sloppy defense and a shaky bullpen.

 

But to get to the playoffs next year, they might call on the services of another prospect — third baseman Matt Dominguez, the organization's first-round draft pick (12th overall) in 2007.

 

Finding a new manager, improving the defense and overhauling the bullpen will dominate a busy off-season for the Marlins, who capped a disappointing year with a 5-2 win over the Pirates.

 

"We definitely need to upgrade the bullpen. There needs to be more depth. There needs to be more quality,' baseball operations president Admin Beinfest said about a bullpen that led the National League with 25 blown saves.

 

But Beinfest volunteered Dominguez's name several times Sunday while discussing options to help eliminate the 123 errors committed in 2010.

 

Dominguez, 21, batted .252 with 14 home runs and 81 RBI at Class AA Jacksonville. He's the next rising prospect in an organization that saw three rookies blossom with the Marlins - first baseman Gaby Sanchez, right fielder Mike Stanton and left fielder Logan Morrison.

 

"Let's face it: Matt Dominguez's coming. He played very well in the second half. Defensively he is well above average,' Beinfest said.

 

As of now, the team plans to start Chris Coghlan at third base next year. But that could change. Coghlan played left field this year before a torn meniscus ended his season.

 

"We know Chris can play the outfield. If something happens in the off-season and we make some changes, we know he can go back out there,' Beinfest said.

 

"One of the things we'll wrestle with this winter, too, is how close is Matt. Defensively he's probably ready to go. We're going to have to talk about the readiness of Matt and Chris at third and spend some time talking about it.'

 

Beinfest also said the Marlins, in their organizational meetings this month, will discuss the idea of "trading off some offense for some defense' as a way to help cut down on the errors.

 

Second baseman Dan Uggla led the team with 18 errors, followed by shortstop Hanley Ramirez (16) and Sanchez (11).

 

The Marlins are far apart in negotiations with Uggla for a possible multi-year contract. There's a chance the team could trade him to avoid paying him a large contract in his final year of arbitration.

 

Beinfest, in keeping with team policy, didn't talk about the contract negotiations. But he talked about Uggla in glowing terms, as if the Marlins plan to have him back.

 

"Just the way he plays the game — the grit, the toughness that he brings to this team — is so vital, so important. He should be commended not so much for the 30 home runs, but for the way he plays the game,' Beinfest said.

 

Another option is to trade Sanchez for relief pitching. That could let Morrison move to first base, a position he played most of his minor-league career, and Coghlan go back to left field.

 

Morrison, who was called up July 27, made three errors and often collided with teammates chasing balls.

 

"I know there's going to be a lot of intrigue with, 'What do you do with all these position players when Chris comes back?' I think it's a good thing. It's a good problem,' Beinfest said.

 

"If Matt Dominguez wants to push and he's ready to play in the big leagues, that's great. Then we'll figure it out.'

 

The first thing the Marlins will do is find a manager. Beinfest said he wants to get it done "as quickly as possible."

 

The team also must decide whether to look for a new catcher or give Ronny Paulino another shot at catcher. Paulino was suspended for 50 games in August for violating baseball's drug policy.

 

Beinfest didn't sound optimistic that John Baker, who is recovering from elbow surgery, would be ready by spring.

 

Beinfest said four rotation spots are locked up, starting with Josh Johnson and Ricky Nolasco. Both right-handers ended their seasons in September with injuries but both will be ready.

 

The other two spots will go to Anibal Sanchez and Chris Volstad, with the fifth spot up for grabs.

 

"I think that is quality starting pitching,' Beinfest said. "That can be the type of starting pitching that can take you deep into October.'

 

But the road to October will be a rough one unless the Marlins tighten up their defense and pitching. To emphasize that point, Beinfest made reference to the San Francisco Giants and the San Diego Padres.

 

"There are a couple of teams playing on the West Coast today that are probably playing for the post-season off their pitching and their defense,' he said.

 

 

Either Gabby or Uggla would be traded to fit in Dominguez, therefore CC would be in LF or 2nd base next season

Sorry, but I'm with Dim on this one about LoMo. Everyone always complains that we live and die by the homerun and finally we have some guys (Coghlan, LoMo) who can constantly get on base at the top of the order and set the table for the power hitters. We had that back in 2003. The only thing that's missing is the speed.

 

LoMo is going nowhere. The power will develop eventually. Look at his XBH numbers in his limited play time. Unless we are trading for a Roy Halladay, LoMo stays.

 

 

Whoever has a problem with living and dying by the HR just has a problem. A HR is the best possible thing a player can do when he steps in for his plate apperance.

 

Mike Stanton's are more valuable than Logan Morrison's.

 

If you think a player like Logan Morrison is worth a guy the caliber of Roy Halladay in return (or, I guess a better comparison of a younger ace, possibly on the trade market...Zack Grienke), then you are just overrating Logan Morrison.

 

HRs are fantastic. Especially Stanton HRs. But I would love to have some guys on the team that can score runs without the long ball, which is part of a successful offense unless you have an entire lineup filled with guys who can hit 40 HRs. I'm not saying that Morrison would net us a Halladay. I'm just really hesitant to trade a guy who has shown that he can get on base at a high rate consistently at both the minor and major league level.

 

A guy like Stanton is more valuable than a guy like Morrison, but I think having both is what makes a lineup really great.

 

 

People are overreacting, though.

 

Trading Morrison is something that should be considered, if it makes the team better (there are possibilities, where such a trade can occur, and we can become a better team). Just because you consider trading a guy doesn't mean the guy doesn't have value; it also doesn't mean that he's going to get traded.

 

Obviously, if given the choice of who to trade, Gaby would go way before Morrison. But until you know for sure exactly what other teams think of each player, you can't just say "well, this guy is untouchable."

 

Guys like Stanton, on the other hand, are untouchable because they're on another level.

 

And that's another one of my points. It seems like people are now thinking that Stanton/Morrison have similar value in a trade, etc. They don't. Stanton is on another level. When all is said and done, Stanton has the potential to be the best player on this team. Better than Morrison. Better than Uggla. Better than Hanley. Better than most of the players in MLB, if not the best player in baseball. That's Stanton's potential. Morrison's potential is nowhere near that. I'd be thrilled if Morrison became Daric Barton, with some more power. Those types of players aren't "untouchable," though.

Erick... Morrison is our best pure hitter! he is not going anywhere, anytime soon!

Hanley Ramirez is our best pure hitter. I know you love Morrison and so do I, but let's be real.

BTW Who the hell is Daric Barton anyway...I see Morrison hit I think George Brett, Rod Carew,Hal McRae...even Don Marttinly not Daric Barton

BTW Who the hell is Daric Barton anyway...I see Morrison hit I think George Brett, Rod Carew,Hal McRae...even Don Marttinly not Daric Barton

 

He's a damn good young player in Oakland who was 5th in the AL in OBP.

 

He's very similar as a hitter to Morrison, come to mention it.

You want a comparison for Morrison?

 

He's what Nick Johnson would've became if he didn't get so many freak injuries (although now that you think about it, maybe they are following the same paths :confused).

Hanley Ramirez is our best pure hitter. I know you love Morrison and so do I, but let's be real.

 

I love Ramirez and LOVE Morrison. IMO I call Ramirez our best hitter but what I call a pure hitter is a scientist with a bat It like comparing Ichiro with Pujols...Pujols is the better overal player (hitter) but Ichiro is just an artist with the bat

BTW Who the hell is Daric Barton anyway...I see Morrison hit I think George Brett, Rod Carew,Hal McRae...even Don Marttinly not Daric Barton

 

He's a damn good young player in Oakland who was 5th in the AL in OBP.

 

He's very similar as a hitter to Morrison, come to mention it.

I just consider Barton small thinking

Hanley Ramirez is our best pure hitter. I know you love Morrison and so do I, but let's be real.

 

I love Ramirez and LOVE Morrison. IMO I call Ramirez our best hitter but what I call a pure hitter is a scientist with a bat It like comparing Ichiro with Pujols...Pujols is the better overal player (hitter) but Ichiro is just an artist with the bat

 

 

Yes. I agree.

 

PS - Leo Nunez is not a man. He throws too many girly changeups.

 

Welcome to Eddie Altamonte 101.

BTW Who the hell is Daric Barton anyway...I see Morrison hit I think George Brett, Rod Carew,Hal McRae...even Don Marttinly not Daric Barton

 

He's a damn good young player in Oakland who was 5th in the AL in OBP.

 

He's very similar as a hitter to Morrison, come to mention it.

I just consider Barton small thinking

 

 

Consider what you want.

Barton's #'s this year are nearly identical to the career #'s of some of the guys you posted. Considering the .OBP #'s Barton put up, probably more valuable. You just don't know who he is because he plays in Oakland, and he's rarely ever mentioned. If they came out with a 2nd book of "Moneyball," Daric Barton would probably be one of the chapters.

as a matter of fact, i think this domiguez thing may signal the end of the line for cameron maybin.

 

if jayson werth can play center field, mike stanton can play center field.

 

however, as of right now i absolutely do not agree with morrison or stanton being traded. there is absolutely no point at all.

 

 

 

He could but I doubt he does. Maybin will probably be the starter going into next season, probably batting 7th or 8th.

 

This is a gut reaction and may make no sense when it comes to positions, but I would rather trade Maybin and leave Gaby, Lomo, Cogs, Stanton & Uggz alone. Sorry but I don't see all the love for Maybin. For supposedly all the upside Maybin was suppose to bring, I'm meh.

 

thats what im saying. right now all the guys mentioned deserve to be on the team....maybin does not.

Morrison kinda outperformed Barton ...He had a higher average Higher SLG and much higher OPS...very similar OBP

BTW Who the hell is Daric Barton anyway...I see Morrison hit I think George Brett, Rod Carew,Hal McRae...even Don Marttinly not Daric Barton

 

He's a damn good young player in Oakland who was 5th in the AL in OBP.

 

He's very similar as a hitter to Morrison, come to mention it.

I just consider Barton small thinking

 

 

Consider what you want.

Barton's #'s this year are nearly identical to the career #'s of some of the guys you posted. Considering the .OBP #'s Barton put up, probably more valuable. You just don't know who he is because he plays in Oakland, and he's rarely ever mentioned. If they came out with a 2nd book of "Moneyball," Daric Barton would probably be one of the chapters.

BTW I know who Barton is I just feel that potential-wise there are not even in the same conversation

Morrison kinda outperformed Barton ...He had a higher average Higher SLG and much higher OPS...very similar OBP

 

 

 

I believe my exact quote was: "Daric Barton with some more power."

 

If you're going to use #'s to compare the guys you compared Morrison with; I'm not sure how you came up with some of the guys you listed because, statistically, the comparisons aren't very good.

Hanley Ramirez is our best pure hitter. I know you love Morrison and so do I, but let's be real.

 

I love Ramirez and LOVE Morrison. IMO I call Ramirez our best hitter but what I call a pure hitter is a scientist with a bat It like comparing Ichiro with Pujols...Pujols is the better overal player (hitter) but Ichiro is just an artist with the bat

 

 

Yes. I agree.

 

PS - Leo Nunez is not a man. He throws too many girly changeups.

 

Welcome to Eddie Altamonte 101.

 

 

Did I ever say girly? BTW I was right! Leo got himself demoted for pitching without balls

I don't envy Beinfest... there are some pretty tough decisions that are going to have to be made.

Hanley Ramirez is our best pure hitter. I know you love Morrison and so do I, but let's be real.

 

I love Ramirez and LOVE Morrison. IMO I call Ramirez our best hitter but what I call a pure hitter is a scientist with a bat It like comparing Ichiro with Pujols...Pujols is the better overal player (hitter) but Ichiro is just an artist with the bat

 

 

Yes. I agree.

 

PS - Leo Nunez is not a man. He throws too many girly changeups.

 

Welcome to Eddie Altamonte 101.

 

 

Did I ever say girly? BTW I was right! Leo got himself demoted for pitching without balls

 

He got demoted because he didn't pitch well. The number of testicals he had didn't have anything to do with it.

Hanley Ramirez is our best pure hitter. I know you love Morrison and so do I, but let's be real.

 

I love Ramirez and LOVE Morrison. IMO I call Ramirez our best hitter but what I call a pure hitter is a scientist with a bat It like comparing Ichiro with Pujols...Pujols is the better overal player (hitter) but Ichiro is just an artist with the bat

 

 

Yes. I agree.

 

PS - Leo Nunez is not a man. He throws too many girly changeups.

 

Welcome to Eddie Altamonte 101.

 

 

Did I ever say girly? BTW I was right! Leo got himself demoted for pitching without balls

 

 

No. He got demoted for having a rough stretch of blown saves.

Morrison kinda outperformed Barton ...He had a higher average Higher SLG and much higher OPS...very similar OBP

 

 

 

I believe my exact quote was: "Daric Barton with some more power."

 

If you're going to use #'s to compare the guys you compared Morrison with; I'm not sure how you came up with some of the guys you listed because, statistically, the comparisons aren't very good.

Thats always been ur problem not all in baseball is stats...There will be a point when you see somebody hit and you will say" Damn that guys approach at the plate reminds me of Hanley Ramirez or Miguel Cabrera" and it will not take a stat sheet for you to reach that conclusion. That is the beauty of baseball

Hanley Ramirez is our best pure hitter. I know you love Morrison and so do I, but let's be real.

 

I love Ramirez and LOVE Morrison. IMO I call Ramirez our best hitter but what I call a pure hitter is a scientist with a bat It like comparing Ichiro with Pujols...Pujols is the better overal player (hitter) but Ichiro is just an artist with the bat

 

 

Yes. I agree.

 

PS - Leo Nunez is not a man. He throws too many girly changeups.

 

Welcome to Eddie Altamonte 101.

 

 

Did I ever say girly? BTW I was right! Leo got himself demoted for pitching without balls

 

 

No. He got demoted for having a rough stretch of blown saves.

 

And why was he blowing the saves?...maybe it was overusing his changeup? As indicated by Edwin amongst others

Morrison kinda outperformed Barton ...He had a higher average Higher SLG and much higher OPS...very similar OBP

 

 

 

I believe my exact quote was: "Daric Barton with some more power."

 

If you're going to use #'s to compare the guys you compared Morrison with; I'm not sure how you came up with some of the guys you listed because, statistically, the comparisons aren't very good.

Thats always been ur problem not all in baseball is stats...There will be a point when you see somebody hit and you will say" Damn that guys approach at the plate reminds me of Hanley Ramirez or Miguel Cabrera" and it will not take a stat sheet for you to reach that conclusion. That is the beauty of baseball

 

But here's the problem with that.

 

Emilio Bonifacio is a switch hitting second baseman with no power who slaps at the ball, bunts a lot and is really fast.

 

Luis Castillo was all of those things as well.

 

More than a few people on this board compared him to Luis Castillo.

 

However, the best thing Castillo did was draw walks and not strike out. Bonifacio is, at best, bad at those things.

 

So, yeah, just watching him, he might look like Luis and draw comparisons based on that. But it's a shallow comparison. Stats allow you to see the subtleties in a player's game.

Morrison kinda outperformed Barton ...He had a higher average Higher SLG and much higher OPS...very similar OBP

 

 

 

I believe my exact quote was: "Daric Barton with some more power."

 

If you're going to use #'s to compare the guys you compared Morrison with; I'm not sure how you came up with some of the guys you listed because, statistically, the comparisons aren't very good.

Thats always been ur problem not all in baseball is stats...There will be a point when you see somebody hit and you will say" Damn that guys approach at the plate reminds me of Hanley Ramirez or Miguel Cabrera" and it will not take a stat sheet for you to reach that conclusion. That is the beauty of baseball

 

 

Well, if I did this, I could blindly say that Emilio Bonifacio reminds me of Luis Castillo, as many people have done before.

That's not me; sorry.

 

However, I already knew you didn't like stats; the only reason I brought up statistics with you (to be honest) is because you used a statistical comparison to differentiate Morrison and Barton.

 

I know what you're saying, but I find it rather pointless. For example, by observation, Gaby's approach at the plate reminds me of Kevin Youkilis because he's a right-handed hitter who seems to be able to hit the ball to all parts of the field. At the end of the day, the approach means nothing because if I'm choosing between the two, there is no comparison: I'm picking Kevin Youkils. Why? He's a lot better, statistically.

Morrison kinda outperformed Barton ...He had a higher average Higher SLG and much higher OPS...very similar OBP

 

 

 

I believe my exact quote was: "Daric Barton with some more power."

 

If you're going to use #'s to compare the guys you compared Morrison with; I'm not sure how you came up with some of the guys you listed because, statistically, the comparisons aren't very good.

Thats always been ur problem not all in baseball is stats...There will be a point when you see somebody hit and you will say" Damn that guys approach at the plate reminds me of Hanley Ramirez or Miguel Cabrera" and it will not take a stat sheet for you to reach that conclusion. That is the beauty of baseball

 

But here's the problem with that.

 

Emilio Bonifacio is a switch hitting second baseman with no power who slaps at the ball, bunts a lot and is really fast.

 

Luis Castillo was all of those things as well.

 

More than a few people on this board compared him to Luis Castillo.

 

However, the best thing Castillo did was draw walks and not strike out. Bonifacio is, at best, bad at those things.

 

So, yeah, just watching him, he might look like Luis and draw comparisons based on that. But it's a shallow comparison. Stats allow you to see the subtleties in a player's game.

 

 

:lol

 

I swear I hadn't seen this post before I wrote mine.