http://www.mlbtrader...heath-bell.html

 

Heath Bell likely to be traded after the A-Gon trade to Boston.

 

I think this would be awesome.

 

The Marlins have built an awesome core of young relievers for '11, and Bell could be the legit, proven closer with veteran experience to provide stability to the pen.

The Marlins have been interested before (but rejected because the Padres asked for Maybin in return). There's no legit rumor right now, but speculation has the Marlins as one of the many teams who could become interested.

 

The + with Bell is the fact that there's no long-term commitment with him, and even if they decide to let him go after the year, he's pretty much a lock to be a Type A free agent with what he's done over the past couple of years; we'd get something in return either way.

 

Trade some prospects for Bell, and then get some prospects for Leo.

Please let this happen.

I assume talks would have to begin with Morrison

10.22am: Rosenthal now hears from another source that it's "highly unlikely" the Padres will move Bell (Twitter links). They could hold him to keep the fans happy, and because they might be able to fetch more at the trade deadline.

Doubt we have what it takes to get him

Going to be to much. Plus, problem is r they going to get rid of Leo?

I'd love to get Bell but I don't see it happening.

 

We already acquired Webb and Mujica from them for a good price and I expect them wanting at least Logan Morrison for him.

When did we refuse to trade maybin for heath bell? Because, well, fail....

When did we refuse to trade maybin for heath bell? Because, well, fail....

 

 

We didn't refuse, why in the hell would we, they did and had plenty of reasons to.

If you're going to do this, just keep Nunez. Really bad idea. Mega bucks for 65 innings is not smart.

If you're going to do this, just keep Nunez. Really bad idea. Mega bucks for 65 innings is not smart.

 

 

 

Bell is a better pitcher/more proven closer. Nunez hasn't even proven he can close, making him quite a risk.

 

There's little to no risk with Bell.

Assuming he stays healthy, he's a very good reliever; if the team falls out of contention they can trade him at the deadline to any team (because any team would want him), or just let him walk after the year, once he becomes a Type A free agent.

 

Also, I cannot find the link but during the 2009 season the Marlins were interested in Heath Bell at the trade deadline, but rejected because the Padres wanted Cameron Maybin and one of Andrew Miller/Sean West, at the time. At least those were the rumors. I can't believe some of you don't remember that; I'm sure there's an old thread about it on the site somewhere, with the majority agreeing with the Marlins decision to keep Maybin & Miller/West, at the time (myself included).

Also, I cannot find the link but during the 2009 season the Marlins were interested in Heath Bell at the trade deadline, but rejected because the Padres wanted Cameron Maybin and one of Andrew Miller/Sean West, at the time. At least those were the rumors. I can't believe some of you don't remember that; I'm sure there's an old thread about it on the site somewhere, with the majority agreeing with the Marlins decision to keep Maybin & Miller/West, at the time (myself included).

 

 

http://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/90006-olney-marlins-pushing-for-heath-bell

Why do I feel responsible for this?

Also, I cannot find the link but during the 2009 season the Marlins were interested in Heath Bell at the trade deadline, but rejected because the Padres wanted Cameron Maybin and one of Andrew Miller/Sean West, at the time. At least those were the rumors. I can't believe some of you don't remember that; I'm sure there's an old thread about it on the site somewhere, with the majority agreeing with the Marlins decision to keep Maybin & Miller/West, at the time (myself included).

 

 

http://www.marlinsba...-for-heath-bell

 

 

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Taking on an additional $2-3 million in payroll from Leo (which limits our ability to get any sort of bench, i.e. 300-500 PA, and/or a lefty in the bullpen), giving up 1-2 excellent young players we would control for years (The conversation starts with Morrison or Coghlan and a pitcher), with the hope of Bell performing where he would decline an arbitration award so we could net two additional first round picks (no guarantee with this free agent market for long term deals, look at Rafael Soriano last year which would be death if that happened to us), where we would have to then sign them for $1-2 million each, is bonkers. This is huge.

 

Bell versus Leo, is approximately 5-7 more runs (due to power numbers) and/or 5-10 more base runners (whip projections) over the course of 65+ innings. Bell is a tremendous pitcher, and no sh*t we would all trust him over any reliever in the Marlins organization, but he is just not in the price range when all things are considered. This organization doesn't need a a high priced closer, and if they do plenty are available in July as 2-3 months of Hensley or Nunez at the back isn't make or break season. This organization needs to get a solid veteran for the bench that can help out big time in the outfield, and some sort of lefty for the bullpen. Bell is to much of a luxury. Hell, Nunez is a luxury.

You guys are silly to think they would want no less than Logan Morrison. Now, I know he's great. But he's 33. Ain't like Upton at all.

I think you guys are overvaluing Bell, if you think Morrison/Coghlan would be the return.

 

They just got no-MLB ready players in return for Adrian Gonzalez. If they trade Bell, it's just to get some prospects/dump some more salary. Just like with the Gonzalez trade (and from our viewpoint, the Uggla trade), the Pads have little leverage in a Heath Bell trade. Whoever gets him, gets him knowing that he's likely a one year rental. If Adrian Gonzalez and Dan Uggla (productive everyday players) got the returns they got, a reliever nearing his mid-30's, giving you a max of 65-70 innings per year under the same contract circumstances isn't going to return a Logan Morrison/Chris Coghlan.

 

In all likelihood, the prospects we'd get in the draft once Bell leaves after the year > the prospects we'd have to give up.

 

Plus, it allows you to trade Leo's salary for a prospect or two, as well (maybe a club controlled lefty with a little upside).

 

That leaves a problem with the lefty bat off the bench, but really it's not a horrible situation with that, either. The Marlins have internal options for that role. John Baker is a + lefty bat off the bench, and considering the Coghlan to CF thing, Scott Cousins is another possibility as a lefty off the bench. Not to mention some cheap possibilities in FA for the lefty bench bat.

 

But really, I see no reason why John Baker can't be the new Ross Gload. He's a good hitter, especially against righties. The Marlins have already discussed the possibility of Baker being the lefty bench bat, even if he can't catch at the beginning of the year.

I assume talks would have to begin with Morrison

 

 

I don't see this happening, but........Why is everyone assuming it has to be Logan? Why not Gaby? He at least placed in the ROY voting and defensively it would be a better trade for us. Every article I read the FO says they are looking to improve pitching and defense.

I think you guys are overvaluing Bell, if you think Morrison/Coghlan would be the return.

 

They just got no-MLB ready players in return for Adrian Gonzalez. If they trade Bell, it's just to get some prospects/dump some more salary. Just like with the Gonzalez trade (and from our viewpoint, the Uggla trade), the Pads have little leverage in a Heath Bell trade. Whoever gets him, gets him knowing that he's likely a one year rental. If Adrian Gonzalez and Dan Uggla (productive everyday players) got the returns they got, a reliever nearing his mid-30's, giving you a max of 65-70 innings per year under the same contract circumstances isn't going to return a Logan Morrison/Chris Coghlan.

 

In all likelihood, the prospects we'd get in the draft once Bell leaves after the year > the prospects we'd have to give up.

 

Plus, it allows you to trade Leo's salary for a prospect or two, as well (maybe a club controlled lefty with a little upside).

 

That leaves a problem with the lefty bat off the bench, but really it's not a horrible situation with that, either. The Marlins have internal options for that role. John Baker is a + lefty bat off the bench, and considering the Coghlan to CF thing, Scott Cousins is another possibility as a lefty off the bench. Not to mention some cheap possibilities in FA for the lefty bench bat.

 

But really, I see no reason why John Baker can't be the new Ross Gload. He's a good hitter, especially against righties. The Marlins have already discussed the possibility of Baker being the lefty bench bat, even if he can't catch at the beginning of the year.

 

 

That brings up a good point. It isn't like they couldn't get MLB talent for Gonzo, it's that they didn't want it. They were specifically looking for minor league guys with great upside that could be ready in a few years. So I'm thinking a sort of package like this...

 

Ozzie Martinez

Sean West

Bryan Petersen

Maybe another low A prospect

 

Explanation: The Padres were trying to get top SS prospect Jose Iglesias from the Red Sox for Gonzales, but were unsuccessful. The Friars don't really have any true SS prospect in the minors that has the potential of sticking it out at short in the bigs. Ozzie Martinez has a small sample size in the majors, and he looked decent out there with the glove. With more time in the minors, he could develop into an average hitting, good fielding defensive SS best case scenario. Sean West is an interesting piece because the Padres wanted him for Bell the last time the two teams were discussing it. Sean West could definitely keep the ball in Petco, and probably have a productive career as a 4th or 5th pitcher in the rotation. Bryan Petersen fits the mold for a Petco outfielder. He has speed and gets to balls quickly. Maybe another low A prospect for the hell of it... I can't really think of a name right now.

 

The Marlins would not be hurt by any of these losses because we have replacements or better fits in our system. Hanley isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so Ozzie won't be missed. Sean West will never crack the rotation with Sanabia next in line if any of the starters falter, and Koehler not far behind either. Petersen is lower on the totem pole than Scott Cousins.

 

I think this would be a win/win for both teams, especially for a 1 year rental. We might even be giving up too much in this trade. Possibly take out Sean West because the Padres are already stacked at SP. What do you guys think?

However there is a huge difference is the new Padres GM came from Boston and had drafted those players himself so he knew everything about them it wouldnt be the same with our minor leaguers

I assume talks would have to begin with Morrison

 

 

I don't see this happening, but........Why is everyone assuming it has to be Logan? Why not Gaby? He at least placed in the ROY voting and defensively it would be a better trade for us. Every article I read the FO says they are looking to improve pitching and defense.

Because Gaby has no upside and they will acquire a prospect(s) with above average or star potential for an arm like Bell. No one wants James Loney longterm when you have to give up something for him.

 

Gaby is more valuable to the Marlins than any other team in baseball because we have him and he's cheap. It's just the reality of who Gaby is. It's not a knock, I like him. But no one is giving you high upside players for a guy the entire industry believes is a, at best, perennially .280/.350/.450 hitter. Right now, Lyle Overbay, Ty Wigginton, and Troy Glaus are free agents you can get for super cheap. It's really the same type of player when you think about it.

 

For Bell, if I am San Diego, I think of things like this for Bell:

 

Stanton 1-1

Morrison 1-1

Coghlan/Dominguez and one of James or Hand. Maybe Sanabia or West, 2-1

and the next best thing the Marlins could realistically do, like James/Hand or Maybe West or Sanabia, O. Martinez, Marinez/Ceda/Jennings 3-1, is only a maybe

 

Personally, I don't think any of that is worth it for 65 innings, and I'm willing to bet 99% of the board agrees. That is just what they are going to want. Especially knowing that a team is potentially getting two strong draft picks out of this. It's going to take very premium young talent to get him. There is no way you turn Gaby Sanchez, or West/Martinez, into Heath freaking Bell.

Yeah I don't think it's worth it either. Besides, we should be looking for another lefty at this point.

I'm pretty sure Bell's asking price has dropped substantially if the Red Sox could get the Padres' star player for just 3 lower-level prospects. Even Casey Kelly, the best guy in that trade, is no lights-out player by any means. He also hasn't gone very far up the ranks in the minors yet, so he could certainly hit a roadblock and never pan out. It sounds to me like the Padres were desperate to get value for Gonzalez now, as a lot of people thought before that guys like Ellsbury and Buchholz would be the two pieces at minimum in a Red Sox/Padres deal. Apparently that's not the case.

 

So thanks to the Gonzalez trade, Bell really shouldn't cost a team much more than the two draft picks a Type-A FA would give them. I also think they're worried that if they offer Bell arbitration after this season that he'll accept, as he's older and will likely get only one long term deal for the remainder of his career.

 

But basically giving them Logan Morrison is overpaying when we could probably get Bell for something like Sean West and another A-AA player.

Casey Kelly is not a lower level prospect.

Casey Kelly is not a lower level prospect.

 

 

He's one of the to 15 prospects in baseball ahaha.