Why is bonifacio getting consideration for the 3rd base job if dominguez struggles but martinez is not?

 

as far as im concerned, martinez has shown a lot more potential in a very short time then bonifacio has in total.

Martinez at 2B and Infante at 3B is the Marlin's best option should Dominguez be deemed unready.

 

Then Dominguez can take over in 2012 after Infante leaves in free agency.

Martinez at 2B and Infante at 3B is the Marlin's best option should Dominguez be deemed unready.

 

Then Dominguez can take over in 2012 after Infante leaves in free agency.

 

 

I completely agree, especially cuz it keeps Boni on the bench where he's best suited (and since last year he finally started to figure out that role quite well. As opposed to starting, which he shuold stay away from)

And Boni may be needed in CF.

with all the holes the front office has filled this offseason we might have two big ones if coghlan and dominguez don't work out

I agree with what's been said; with that said, there's no guarantee Infante leaves after the '11 season. As a matter of fact, I think the team will keep him.

I agree with what's been said; with that said, there's no guarantee Infante leaves after the '11 season. As a matter of fact, I think the team will keep him.

 

 

That's what I have been saying. If he pans out, and I think he will, then I see no reason to let him slip away. $$$ will definetly not be an issue.

Martinez at 2B and Infante at 3B is the Marlin's best option should Dominguez be deemed unready.

 

Then Dominguez can take over in 2012 after Infante leaves in free agency.

 

 

I completely agree, especially cuz it keeps Boni on the bench where he's best suited (and since last year he finally started to figure out that role quite well. As opposed to starting, which he shuold stay away from)

 

 

I don't think it was so much that he was figuring out that role. His pitch selection was getting better and how he put the ball in play improved.

Bonifacio struck out more often last year than the year before. Not sure his pitch selection improved.

The only thing that improved with Bonifacio is that we didn't have to see him every single game. It made his strong points look better without his negative becoming the rule instead of the exception.

I want to see Infante play a whole season again before I gauge his value to us.

Martinez at 2B and Infante at 3B is the Marlin's best option should Dominguez be deemed unready.

 

Then Dominguez can take over in 2012 after Infante leaves in free agency.

 

 

I completely agree, especially cuz it keeps Boni on the bench where he's best suited (and since last year he finally started to figure out that role quite well. As opposed to starting, which he shuold stay away from)

 

 

I don't think it was so much that he was figuring out that role. His pitch selection was getting better and how he put the ball in play improved.

On top of what bobbob said, where he struck out at a higher clip, he also swung at a higher percentage of pitches outside the zone and a lower percentage of pitches inside the zone (AKA, the opposite of improved selection).

 

He did, though, have a lower strike swinging percentage than last year and a slightly higher contact percentage.

 

His biggest improvement was baserunning, I'd say. in 2009 he had 21 SB with 9 Caught Stealings and 8 Pick Offs, which is pretty horrific. In 2010, he had 12 SB in less opportunities with 0 CS and 3 PO. His Extra Base Taken% went from 66% to 83%. And while being more aggressive on hits, he made 0 outs on the basepaths, as opposed to 6 the year before.

Bonifacio struck out more often last year than the year before. Not sure his pitch selection improved.

 

 

Though he also had a great stretch at the end of the year.

 

He's a good utility player if he can perform like he did towards the end of the year.

You clearly didn't understand what BroncoBob was trying to say. Once again you continue to twist his words around. Perhaps if you spent more time "watching" the game instead of compiling statistics that favor your arguments then you would learn something about the game. But nice try.

He said his pitch selection got better. How would you define pitch selection besides things like inside zone swings vs outside zone swings and strikeout rate? What is being twisted?

 

The great thing about ignoring stats is that you get to say things like "he improved his pitch selection", and if someone points at that that is factually incorrect, you can just say "that's what I saw with my own eyes, not what the stats that have never watched the game say."

 

 

I know what he's gonna say is "he improved his bunting and hit less fly balls and more groundballs", but he was actually less successful at bunting for a hit last year, and his groundball and flyball ratios stayed basically the same. And he hit into more infield flies as well.

 

Basically, he's almost exactly the same weak hitter as two years ago, a guy who is better suited to a utility role that requires less at bats and more emphasis on baserunning and defense. You know, the things he's actually good at. If you don't see that, than your eyes are deceiving you.

He said his pitch selection got better. How would you define pitch selection besides things like inside zone swings vs outside zone swings and strikeout rate? What is being twisted?

 

The great thing about ignoring stats is that you get to say things like "he improved his pitch selection", and if someone points at that that is factually incorrect, you can just say "that's what I saw with my own eyes, not what the stats that have never watched the game say."

 

 

I know what he's gonna say is "he improved his bunting and hit less fly balls and more groundballs", but he was actually less successful at bunting for a hit last year, and his groundball and flyball ratios stayed basically the same. And he hit into more infield flies as well.

 

Basically, he's almost exactly the same weak hitter as two years ago, a guy who is better suited to a utility role that requires less at bats and more emphasis on baserunning and defense. You know, the things he's actually good at. If you don't see that, than your eyes are deceiving you.

 

His typical mantra against stats is that the formulae can be modified to say whatever you want them to say, so it should be amusing to see how he dismisses absolute measurements such as swing% and K%. You know...things that can't be manipulated.

You clearly didn't understand what BroncoBob was trying to say. Once again you continue to twist his words around. Perhaps if you spent more time "watching" the game instead of compiling statistics that favor your arguments then you would learn something about the game. But nice try.

 

I love how you didn't even attempt to make an argument.

You clearly didn't understand what BroncoBob was trying to say. Once again you continue to twist his words around. Perhaps if you spent more time "watching" the game instead of compiling statistics that favor your arguments then you would learn something about the game. But nice try.

 

 

 

Did Bob hack your account?

I almost feel like that was a joke post.

I thought it was sarcasm.

You clearly didn't understand what BroncoBob was trying to say. Once again you continue to twist his words around. Perhaps if you spent more time "watching" the game instead of compiling statistics that favor your arguments then you would learn something about the game. But nice try.

 

I love how you didn't even attempt to make an argument.

 

When you have eyes like mine, you don't need arguments. Not to mention I'm a season ticket holder, so my opinions already hold more merit than others.

 

Bonifacio struck out 95 times in 2009 compared to 42 in 2010. That's a clear improvement. Unlike Gaby Sanchez, who struck out a whopping 101 times last year. Clearly Bonifacio has better plate discipline and trading Gaby Sanchez is in the team's best interests. If not for the enlightenment provided by BroncoBob on this matter, I confess I may have at one point allowed my judgement to be clouded by biased statistics. We should all follow his lead.

You clearly didn't understand what BroncoBob was trying to say. Once again you continue to twist his words around. Perhaps if you spent more time "watching" the game instead of compiling statistics that favor your arguments then you would learn something about the game. But nice try.

 

I love how you didn't even attempt to make an argument.

 

When you have eyes like mine, you don't need arguments. Not to mention I'm a season ticket holder, so my opinions already hold more merit than others.

 

Bonifacio struck out 95 times in 2009 compared to 42 in 2010. That's a clear improvement. Unlike Gaby Sanchez, who struck out a whopping 101 times last year. Clearly Bonifacio has better plate discipline and trading Gaby Sanchez is in the team's best interests. If not for the enlightenment provided by BroncoBob on this matter, I confess I may have at one point allowed my judgement to be clouded by biased statistics. We should all follow his lead.

You clearly didn't understand what BroncoBob was trying to say. Once again you continue to twist his words around. Perhaps if you spent more time "watching" the game instead of compiling statistics that favor your arguments then you would learn something about the game. But nice try.

 

I love how you didn't even attempt to make an argument.

 

When you have eyes like mine, you don't need arguments. Not to mention I'm a season ticket holder, so my opinions already hold more merit than others.

 

Bonifacio struck out 95 times in 2009 compared to 42 in 2010. That's a clear improvement. Unlike Gaby Sanchez, who struck out a whopping 101 times last year. Clearly Bonifacio has better plate discipline and trading Gaby Sanchez is in the team's best interests. If not for the enlightenment provided by BroncoBob on this matter, I confess I may have at one point allowed my judgement to be clouded by biased statistics. We should all follow his lead.

 

That'll happen when you have 461 AB's in 2009 and 180 AB's in 2010.

You clearly didn't understand what BroncoBob was trying to say. Once again you continue to twist his words around. Perhaps if you spent more time "watching" the game instead of compiling statistics that favor your arguments then you would learn something about the game. But nice try.

 

I love how you didn't even attempt to make an argument.

 

When you have eyes like mine, you don't need arguments. Not to mention I'm a season ticket holder, so my opinions already hold more merit than others.

 

Bonifacio struck out 95 times in 2009 compared to 42 in 2010. That's a clear improvement. Unlike Gaby Sanchez, who struck out a whopping 101 times last year. Clearly Bonifacio has better plate discipline and trading Gaby Sanchez is in the team's best interests. If not for the enlightenment provided by BroncoBob on this matter, I confess I may have at one point allowed my judgement to be clouded by biased statistics. We should all follow his lead.

 

That'll happen when you have 461 AB's in 2009 and 180 AB's in 2010.

 

Way to twist around what I was saying again. But if you're just going to start ridiculing me, then there's no point in responding to this. News flash. I guess some people just aren't capable of grasping certain concepts. Nice try though.

Mark Hackman has taken over 30plus' account. Brilliant.