mystikol87 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Don't be ridiculous. Fox News has told me several times that the Rommers will have a popular vote win, and the only trouble he's facing is the EC! Duh! I mean, that very well could end up happening. Obama seems to be doing better in the key swing states than he is in the national polls Doesn't mean they're not blowing it out of proportion. Gotta figure the more vocal individuals at this point are the Romney people, whereas Obama does have a lot of ignorant people who are just going to vote for him because he's Barack Obama and generally don't have a voice or representation normally. Care to elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Leave it to politics to make a long thread about nothing. Leave it to you to make a pointless post that isn't even remotely funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Care to elaborate? You've got tons of young voters who are much less energetic this time round but are still voting. They're voting for Obama not on the grounds that they understand his policies or what his party's platform is, but rather because it's cool to like Obama because he's the cool black guy and Mitt Romney is the sleazy old Republican who is an old white guy who is automatically the enemy for some unknown reason (as an unbiased approach, but yes it just so turns out that Mitt Romney is in fact a Devil's liar). Meanwhile, you've got the African American population which will be an interesting factor. But something tells me, you're going to see the same thing that happened in 2008 where voter turnout among African Americans is going to be higher than it usually is, and most of those extra voters are prone to liking Obama because APT's A Milli Remix 'Obama Obama' made them so, or because Obama is their boy and understands them, or because Jay Z is voting for Obama, or whatever stupid f***ing reason. And please don't tag that as racism. It just so happens that Obama is black. I'm sure if it was President Xiochang Chong of the United States, you'd have the same thing happening with Asians. Or President Fredrico Hernandez, or blah blah blah. It's not that any single group in particular is more or less ignorant, but rather just there's a collective group of ignorant dwelling f***s who can be coerced to vote and make a big impact. What's the popular phrase... there's a 'silent majority' in favor of Obama, if you ask me. Maybe not here in Florida though. But in general, and it's going to make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 I was referring to the ignorant people, not the ones voting for an actual cause. Trust me, there's a lot of them out there. Let's be honest, it's been 'cool' to be a Democrat for the length of my entire generation's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Care to elaborate? You've got tons of young voters who are much less energetic this time round but are still voting. They're voting for Obama not on the grounds that they understand his policies or what his party's platform is, but rather because it's cool to like Obama because he's the cool black guy and Mitt Romney is the sleazy old Republican who is an old white guy who is automatically the enemy for some unknown reason (as an unbiased approach, but yes it just so turns out that Mitt Romney is in fact a Devil's liar). Meanwhile, you've got the African American population which will be an interesting factor. But something tells me, you're going to see the same thing that happened in 2008 where voter turnout among African Americans is going to be higher than it usually is, and most of those extra voters are prone to liking Obama because APT's A Milli Remix 'Obama Obama' made them so, or because Obama is their boy and understands them, or because Jay Z is voting for Obama, or whatever stupid f***ing reason. There is just so much unsubstantiated speculation here. And you're opinion is really colored by the people with whom you interact. In conservative pockets of America, I would speculate (yes, I used that word on purpose) that it's "cool" to hate that damn socialist (even though corporate profits soared in the last 4 years) who is going to take away your guns (even though he's done no such thing). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Absolutely it is very colored by the people I interact with. But the thing is... at the university level that's something that is generally uniform throughout the entire country. There's a young liberal attitude at the university level for the very reasons penguino described. And that attitude rubs off on the people who DON'T CARE, and it makes it COOL or at least ABLE to be influenced by their peers to lean one way rather than the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 And please don't mistake me for stating what is wrong and what is right. I have my own viewpoints, but I'm trying to approach the topic from a non-biased point of view. I'm just saying that from my experiences and interactions, people are bound to vote based on nothing, or how cool the candidate's hair is, or how young he is, or where he's from, or whatever. It's dumb, it's sad, but it's not far from the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the Past Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 I think that younger people are more likely to vote for Obama because they think largely in terms of social issues--which are easier to understand. To them, Obama seems to be the guy who is more likely to support things like gay marriage, abortion, birth control, evolution, etc. whereas Romney represents the other side of that. Most of these people have little to no experience filling out tax returns, paying their bills, paying rent/mortgage, paying for health care so they don't have much of an opinion (or more importantly an educated opinion) on how Obama's policies actually affect them. It's as if they don't understand how Obama's policies affects them. Obama's tax and regulatory policies are impediments to corporate hiring and without increased corpoarte hiring the unemployment / underemployment rates among the young will remain very high and obviously being unemployed / underemployed early in someone's career can have long-term negative impacts on their career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbob1313 Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 It's also at least possible that those people are legitimately more concerned about social issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying_Mollusk Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 A lot of voters are idiots. I know a LOT of libertarians Ron Paul people who have no clue about anything. Since we are talking about how Obama voters are idiots, this is for you Beinfest: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Half of the population is below median intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 A lot of voters are idiots. I know a LOT of libertarians Ron Paul people who have no clue about anything. Since we are talking about how Obama voters are idiots, this is for you Beinfest: As stated above, I don't know why that's 'for you Beinfest'. I wasn't calling Obama voters idiots. I wasn't calling Romney voters idiots. I was saying that there's a certain strata of people that are ignorant. There's strata of ignorant people all across the board, not just for Democrats or Republicans or Libertarians or whatever. I'll never understand why it's immediately assumed that I'm a Republican solely on the grounds that I said something negative about a selected group of Democrats. And I know that applies in the opposite direction. NEWS FLASH: You don't have to support either side, nor do you have to identify with one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the Past Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 I predict that Romney loses VA and OH and it ends up being an early night. If the polls are correct, then you're correct. But I don't think they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the Past Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 It's also at least possible that those people are legitimately more concerned about social issues? Maybe but I doubt it. I'm sure the economy is the most important issue for the young as it is for all age groups. They are the ones most impacted by the poor economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Using Rasmussen's party ID numbers and Battleground's R/D enthusiasm numbers, neither of which has anything to do with a "who are you going to vote for" question or any pollster sampling bias (or outright pollster bias) or how to adjust for it, and applying Battleground's Independent R/D split (not a fudgeable factor in polling, the Independents are what they are and they have been fairly uniform in almost all polls since 2010 at about +15R) to Rasmussen's Independent party ID percentage, my final two-party-vote-basis number says 58-42 Romney, up a little from 57-43 a few weeks ago. I may be wrong, in which case you can all laugh at me, but the numbers say Romney will give us a popular and electoral vote blowout. Which apparently nobody else around here expects. One day to go, then we'll know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 If the turnout composition is like 2008, then the night is a foregone conclusion. Most polls are using that model. But, I do not think that anyone should expect that level of GOP voter apathy, that level of Independent enthusiasm for Obama, or anything near the record turnout by traditionally low turnout groups that 2008 featured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True CRaysball Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Don't forget to vote tomorrow everyone who can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I actually don't plan on voting. More of a silent unnoticed protest then a lazy thing. Neither candidate peaks my interest, and neither canidate I feel will get the job that set out to do done. The two party system is what is is - at this point it's like hoping every McDonald's goes out of business. (Remember this) I wish we could have the opportunity to have four main party candidates run, 2 dems, 2 republicans. Not only will it split their parties votes, it will provide people like myself another 2 opportunities to find a canidate they feel comfortable backing. It will also give some acknowledgement to the independents, as they will need a smaller piece of the pie to win. In that scenario, you can choose to "avoid" the poorly managed McDonald's, and "patron" the one who you feel is run right. (See how the works) That scenario will never happen, as both parties choose to try to take all republican votes and democrat votes and hope the loyalty- not the facts wins the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 If you want a protest vote and you actually don't follow a third party candidate, just vote and vote third party! I'm not gonna tell you to vote for my guy, I'm going to tell you to vote for whoever. Go vote for Roseanne Barr for all I care (yes, she's on the ballot in Florida). But more importantly, don't miss a chance to vote on these amendments! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 If you want a protest vote and you actually don't follow a third party candidate, just vote and vote third party! I'm not gonna tell you to vote for my guy, I'm going to tell you to vote for whoever. Go vote for Roseanne Barr for all I care (yes, she's on the ballot in Florida). But more importantly, don't miss a chance to vote on these amendments! I'm probably going to write in Admin for president. That's it, just Admin. Let them figure out which out. Those amendments are the only reason I'd show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 In 2008 I was one of 23 people that wrote in "none of the above" for President, that was what I thought of the choices available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 To be honest I would've been happier with McCain than Romney. Just not Sarah Palin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 To be honest I would've been happier with McCain than Romney. Just not Sarah Palin. Same here. I almost voted for McCain in 08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 hah. Mine is blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I voted early. They told me they ran out. but somehow my wife as able to secure two stickers when she bitched to them to find stickers. The old bastards working the polls are so damn lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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