Hotcorner Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Marlins planning on giving him some time at 3b when he's back, for what it's worth. Let's see how that goes. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130814&content_id=57018998&vkey=news_mia&c_id=mia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I would take Cogs over anybody right now if Polanco is traded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bret Hart Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 3B job was CC's natural position since university. I think he can handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I still don't expect much offensively or defensively from Coghlan, but it definitely makes more sense to try him at third over Polanco or Lucas at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 He can hit well enough for a third baseman, I think. He's going to be a disaster defensively, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I mean why not? Is there an internal solution that works better than cogs? No. There is an organizational black hole until you get to Moran and there is absolutely nothing in free agency next year with guys who will sign with the Marlins (think Juan Uribe types). They kind of really need Coghlan to work out to bridge the gap to Moran. The other idea would be to acquire a longterm 2B (somehow) and let Dietrich, Solano, and friends play 3B and see where the chips fall in 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 Zack Cox is I guess another option but he's pretty limited defensively over there. Neither offers much power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Zack Cox is I guess another option but he's pretty limited defensively over there. Neither offers much power. They're actually very similar players, the difference being Coghs has done it in the majors and Cox has not. On that note, a Coghs/Lucas platoon or a Cox/Lucas platoon would suffice just fine IMO. Coghs vs RHP this year: .275/.322/.404/.726 Cox vs RHP this year: .318/.410/.460/.870 Lucas vs LHP this year: .311/.358/.475/.833 I could look forward to that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I think people need to get over Zack Cox. The guy is not an intriguing prospect by any means. That turned out to be a terrible trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I think people need to get over Zack Cox. The guy is not an intriguing prospect by any means. That turned out to be a terrible trade. That's not a really impressive slash line against RHP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I think people need to get over Zack Cox. The guy is not an intriguing prospect by any means. That turned out to be a terrible trade. That's not a really impressive slash line against RHP? He's a 24-year old in AA, repeating the level. A .142 .ISO against RHP probably translates to less power in the big leagues, which is not interesting at all. Basically, the only reason for excitement is the .410 .OBP. It's dependent on a .355 .BABIP and a 12.3 BB%. The 12.3 BB% is actually not all that exciting to me considering his overall track record which indicates that he doesn't draw many walks. It's very similar to what Brantly did last year in his limited time in the big leagues. And again, he's repeating the level...and he's old for the level. Another red flag would be that Cox is still striking out a lot for a guy with little power. That's limited upside offensively for a guy who's potential as a prospect was largely dependent on how good he was as a hitter. A one-dimensional player who's dimension is not all that promising does not excite me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I think people need to get over Zack Cox. The guy is not an intriguing prospect by any means. That turned out to be a terrible trade. That's not a really impressive slash line against RHP? He's a 24-year old in AA, repeating the level. A .142 .ISO against RHP probably translates to less power in the big leagues, which is not interesting at all. Basically, the only reason for excitement is the .410 .OBP. It's dependent on a .355 .BABIP and a 12.3 BB%. The 12.3 BB% is actually not all that exciting to me considering his overall track record which indicates that he doesn't draw many walks. It's very similar to what Brantly did last year in his limited time in the big leagues. And again, he's repeating the level...and he's old for the level. Another red flag would be that Cox is still striking out a lot for a guy with little power. That's limited upside offensively for a guy who's potential as a prospect was largely dependent on how good he was as a hitter. A one-dimensional player who's dimension is not all that promising does not excite me. I'm not disagreeing with you, I am hoping he is not the future at 3B for Marlins baseball... But my only question was if that slash line was impressive, which it is. He could be a useful platoon guy for a year or two is all I'm saying. If he can hit .280/.350/.350/.700 against RHP he would be a serviceable #2 hitter. My hope is that it never comes to that and Coghlan takes the job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I think people need to get over Zack Cox. The guy is not an intriguing prospect by any means. That turned out to be a terrible trade. That's not a really impressive slash line against RHP? He's a 24-year old in AA, repeating the level. A .142 .ISO against RHP probably translates to less power in the big leagues, which is not interesting at all. Basically, the only reason for excitement is the .410 .OBP. It's dependent on a .355 .BABIP and a 12.3 BB%. The 12.3 BB% is actually not all that exciting to me considering his overall track record which indicates that he doesn't draw many walks. It's very similar to what Brantly did last year in his limited time in the big leagues. And again, he's repeating the level...and he's old for the level. Another red flag would be that Cox is still striking out a lot for a guy with little power. That's limited upside offensively for a guy who's potential as a prospect was largely dependent on how good he was as a hitter. A one-dimensional player who's dimension is not all that promising does not excite me. But my only question was if that slash line was impressive, which it is. Put into context, it is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I think people need to get over Zack Cox. The guy is not an intriguing prospect by any means. That turned out to be a terrible trade. That's not a really impressive slash line against RHP? He's a 24-year old in AA, repeating the level. A .142 .ISO against RHP probably translates to less power in the big leagues, which is not interesting at all. Basically, the only reason for excitement is the .410 .OBP. It's dependent on a .355 .BABIP and a 12.3 BB%. The 12.3 BB% is actually not all that exciting to me considering his overall track record which indicates that he doesn't draw many walks. It's very similar to what Brantly did last year in his limited time in the big leagues. And again, he's repeating the level...and he's old for the level. Another red flag would be that Cox is still striking out a lot for a guy with little power. That's limited upside offensively for a guy who's potential as a prospect was largely dependent on how good he was as a hitter. A one-dimensional player who's dimension is not all that promising does not excite me. But my only question was if that slash line was impressive, which it is. Put into context, it is not. Put into actual statistics, it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 If you care about how a 24-year-old does repeating the AA level, yes it is great. If you care about how that translates to the big league level, it is not. He's basically the younger version of Greg Dobbs. Similar statistics and less professionalism of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchainsaw Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 He's basically the younger version of Greg Dobbs. A 24 year-old true professional hitter? Sign me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 He's basically the younger version of Greg Dobbs. A 24 year-old true professional hitter? Sign me up. Professional is only for old guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 I think people need to get over Zack Cox. That would be true if anyone was nuts about the guy, which I'm pretty sure is not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I think people need to get over Zack Cox. That would be true if anyone was nuts about the guy, which I'm pretty sure is not the case. People aren't crazy over him, but the viability of him actually being a starter (even a good platoon player) seems to pop up here a lot more than it should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I think people need to get over Zack Cox. That would be true if anyone was nuts about the guy, which I'm pretty sure is not the case. People aren't crazy over him, but the viability of him actually being a starter (even a good platoon player) seems to pop up here a lot more than it should. I agree. People don't need to go nuts over Cox to be overrating him. It was clear from the day that the Marlins acquired him that Cox wasn't likely to be a starter in the big leagues, but that hasn't stopped his name being mentioned a lot in that capacity. Didn't someone even start a thread here a couple of weeks ago asking for Cox to be called up? Fans often overrate prospects of their own team, I guess. I've been hearing Jake Smolinski's name recently a lot more than I should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Smolinski?....Another flop of a prospect that the Marlins have been dragging along in their organization I can pretty much put him in the same boat as Skipworth and Isaac Galloway and then sink it in the middle of Biscayne Bay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchainsaw Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Smolinski's home/road splits are nuts: Home Games .291/.368/.504 .873 Away Games .243/.329/.357 .686 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 I think people need to get over Zack Cox. That would be true if anyone was nuts about the guy, which I'm pretty sure is not the case. People aren't crazy over him, but the viability of him actually being a starter (even a good platoon player) seems to pop up here a lot more than it should. Well that has a tendency to happen when your major league team is full of .600 OPS players. Probably every player in three levels of minor leagues has been mentioned at some point this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 That's a fair point, but I think that people were overrating him last season too before Loria blew the team up entirely. People did the same for Brantly too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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