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No Keys or Wittgren in the top 10, below Realmuto? Interesting, can't say I agree.

 

 

Some of us already explained to you awhile ago that Keys isn't anything special. He's a 22 year old who hasn't proven that he can hit above high A ball yet and has absolutely zero power.

 

I bet you are also shocked and disappointed that Zack Cox isn't on the list.

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No Keys or Wittgren in the top 10, below Realmuto? Interesting, can't say I agree.

 

 

 

Some of us already explained to you awhile ago that Keys isn't anything special. He's a 22 year old who hasn't proven that he can hit above high A ball yet and has absolutely zero power.

 

I bet you are also shocked and disappointed that Zack Cox isn't on the list.Keys is a good leadoff hitter with good defense at OF. He doesn't have power but has good OBP ability. I'm also kinda shocked he isn't in the TOP 10.

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How so, Mr. Erick?

[First half of your statement - I like Keys but I will agree we are overrating him a little right now]

 

 

Romero is two years younger.

His offense also comes from a more scarce position. If Keys were a middle infielder, he might have made the list. Keys is a 22-year-old OF'er with no power and 38 plate appearances above A-ball. The fact he's not on the list seems fair.

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Romero's offense also came in Batavia and he slumped in 40 plate appearances in Greensboro, with no power. Not to say he can't hit, but ... y'know.

 

I'll agree that Keys position makes him less of a reason for us to be optimistic about it since he has no power, but not everyone needs to have power to be productive.

 

If he can sustain the walk rate and average in AA in 2014, then that's something to be somewhat excited about, at least.

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Romero's offense also came in Batavia and he slumped in 40 plate appearances in Greensboro, with no power. Not to say he can't hit, but ... y'know.

 

I'll agree that Keys position makes him less of a reason for us to be optimistic about it since he has no power, but not everyone needs to have power to be productive.

 

If he can sustain the walk rate and average in AA in 2014, then that's something to be somewhat excited about, at least.

 

 

Agreed.

 

I won't debate that Romero shouldn't be above Keys, I agree with Erick's points regarding age difference and position and I think Romero is the better prospect. My only point was, Keys > Realmuto, every single time. They even mention Keys is the best hitter for average and has the best strike zone discipline in the whole organization... but no love? Just interesting. I've begun giving up on Realmuto.

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No Keys or Wittgren in the top 10, below Realmuto? Interesting, can't say I agree.

 

 

Some of us already explained to you awhile ago that Keys isn't anything special. He's a 22 year old who hasn't proven that he can hit above high A ball yet and has absolutely zero power.

 

I bet you are also shocked and disappointed that Zack Cox isn't on the list.Keys is a good leadoff hitter with good defense at OF. He doesn't have power but has good OBP ability. I'm also kinda shocked he isn't in the TOP 10.

 

 

 

 

Again, for a 22 year old outfielder with zero power and hasn't played above high-A, that's not really top ten worthy.

 

He's not going to develop power so his value is extremely limited. People on this board are overrating him.

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No Keys or Wittgren in the top 10, below Realmuto? Interesting, can't say I agree.

 

 

Some of us already explained to you awhile ago that Keys isn't anything special. He's a 22 year old who hasn't proven that he can hit above high A ball yet and has absolutely zero power.

 

I bet you are also shocked and disappointed that Zack Cox isn't on the list.Keys is a back to back batting title winner in two leagues I believe. That is fairly note worthy regardless of power. I can remember Juan Pierre being a pretty nice player with a lack of power. I know there is a speed difference here but Keys can run a bit and play the field and seemingly hit for average.

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No Keys or Wittgren in the top 10, below Realmuto? Interesting, can't say I agree.

 

 

Some of us already explained to you awhile ago that Keys isn't anything special. He's a 22 year old who hasn't proven that he can hit above high A ball yet and has absolutely zero power.

 

I bet you are also shocked and disappointed that Zack Cox isn't on the list.Keys is a back to back batting title winner in two leagues I believe. That is fairly note worthy regardless of power. I can remember Juan Pierre being a pretty nice player with a lack of power. I know there is a speed difference here but Keys can run a bit and play the field and seemingly hit for average.

There's a noticeable difference in plate discipline between Pierre and Keys... I look at Keys more like a Luis Castillo, high average, high on base, no power.

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No Keys or Wittgren in the top 10, below Realmuto? Interesting, can't say I agree.

 

 

Some of us already explained to you awhile ago that Keys isn't anything special. He's a 22 year old who hasn't proven that he can hit above high A ball yet and has absolutely zero power.

 

I bet you are also shocked and disappointed that Zack Cox isn't on the list.Keys is a back to back batting title winner in two leagues I believe. That is fairly note worthy regardless of power. I can remember Juan Pierre being a pretty nice player with a lack of power. I know there is a speed difference here but Keys can run a bit and play the field and seemingly hit for average.

The batting title stuff doesn't mean much. He's progressing slowly through the minors. Batting average is just one dimension of a player too.

 

Pierre's value was also increased dramatically by his speed/baserunning. He's pretty worthless without them. That's not the best comparison.

 

I haven't seen Keys play defense but it seems like some scouts see him more as a corner outfielder. Being with RF/LF without power and only okay speed makes for a pretty unimpressive player.

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Lots of Juan Pierre level speedsters, actually. Billy Hamilton, now THAT'S once in a generation.

 

Pierre is a once in a generation base runner, not speedster. There's a gigantic difference between those two terms. Juan Pierre is a better base runner than Billy Hamilton, but Hamilton is faster than any base runner alive.

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No Keys or Wittgren in the top 10, below Realmuto? Interesting, can't say I agree.

 

 

Some of us already explained to you awhile ago that Keys isn't anything special. He's a 22 year old who hasn't proven that he can hit above high A ball yet and has absolutely zero power.

 

I bet you are also shocked and disappointed that Zack Cox isn't on the list.Keys is a back to back batting title winner in two leagues I believe. That is fairly note worthy regardless of power. I can remember Juan Pierre being a pretty nice player with a lack of power. I know there is a speed difference here but Keys can run a bit and play the field and seemingly hit for average.

There's a noticeable difference in plate discipline between Pierre and Keys... I look at Keys more like a Luis Castillo, high average, high on base, no power.

Maybe that is a better comparison but I was looking at positions and being they are both outfielders that fit best. Like I stated I understand their is a speed difference but I am looking at two guys that play outfield and can get on base and move around the bases once on. Keys is a better runner than Castillo and plays a different position so that is a tough comparison as well, but the point is Keys can't be overlooked because he doesn't have power. Penguino thinks hitting for average and high OBP are just one aspect of the game albeit very very important aspects. Keys gets on base, hits for average, steels a few bases, plays a solid outfield, oh but I forgot he doesn't have power he's not worth talking about.

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Lots of Juan Pierre level speedsters, actually. Billy Hamilton, now THAT'S once in a generation.

 

Pierre is a once in a generation base runner, not speedster. There's a gigantic difference between those two terms. Juan Pierre is a better base runner than Billy Hamilton, but Hamilton is faster than any base runner alive.Very intelligent comment. Speed helps but being a base runner is a different animal.

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Maybe that is a better comparison but I was looking at positions and being they are both outfielders that fit best. Like I stated I understand their is a speed difference but I am looking at two guys that play outfield and can get on base and move around the bases once on. Keys is a better runner than Castillo and plays a different position so that is a tough comparison as well, but the point is Keys can't be overlooked because he doesn't have power. Penguino thinks hitting for average and high OBP are just one aspect of the game albeit very very important aspects. Keys gets on base, hits for average, steels a few bases, plays a solid outfield, oh but I forgot he doesn't have power he's not worth talking about.

 

I agree the power thing gets a bit out of hand. However, Keys IS NOT a better base runner than Luis Castillo. In his prime, Castillo was the best base runner in MLB. Keys won't steal more than 20 bases in the big on average. He's above average, nothing more. But I agree he does have value, if he can put up numbers similar his minor league career, he will have a long and profitable career in the majors.

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Everything I've read says he's capable of playing CF in the majors. And he has speed, not Pierre-level, but that's like a once in a generation base runner.

 

Link? I only see references to scouts being uncertain as to whether he can remain in CF.

 

Keys probably has slightly above average speed. That's not going to do much to increase his value.

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