Erick Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Don't kid yourselves. The caveat of this whole deal that it is a backloaded contract. This doesn't give me one iota of confidence with this ownership. Stupidity like this doesn't help Public Relations one bit. Why? In essence, if we read between the lines, the deal breaks down into $6/$7/$8 million respectively. If we follow the pattern of the last couple of free agent signings, Salty won't be here to even smell that $8 million. At least we can pretty much guarantee that someone else will be footing the back end of that bill. Some things never change. It is so much easier to root for the Rays. C'mon people. This is the MARLINS we are talking about. Grab something to hold on to because within the next year to year and a half, the rug will once again be pulled out from under us. Holy cow, this is some stupid shit. Stupid is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Stupid is quoting the same exact post more than one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backin2008 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Maybe the Marlins will be smarter than all of us. Sure, they tanked last season, but they added a lot of prospects and it's not like the Jays won anything. Maybe they will spend some jack and get more hitters like Salty. I hear that 3B is the next spot to try to improve at. We shall see what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Hopefully we draft a can't miss prospect this year with the 2nd pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Best year at the plate as a pro last year with a near average year behind it. He's making at least 1.5 mil a year less than McCann, Pierzynski, or Ruiz and he outplayed all of them last year. No one should have a problem with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backin2008 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Anyone that has a problem with this signing should be forced to watch video of every game last year and watch Rob Brantly and Jeff Mathis play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Hopefully we draft a can't miss prospect this year with the 2nd pick. Gatewood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 When is the last time the Marlins signed a free agent to a 3+ year deal and the player rode out the entire contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 When is the last time the Marlins signed a free agent to a 3+ year deal and the player rode out the entire contract? Does Wes Helms count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 When is the last time the Marlins signed a free agent to a 3+ year deal and the player rode out the entire contract? Does Wes Helms count? He never signed more than a 1 year deal at a time, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 When is the last time the Marlins signed a free agent to a 3+ year deal and the player rode out the entire contract? Does Wes Helms count? He never signed more than a 1 year deal at a time, right? I believe uncle Wes signed a 2 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 When is the last time the Marlins signed a free agent to a 3+ year deal and the player rode out the entire contract? Does Wes Helms count? He never signed more than a 1 year deal at a time, right? I believe uncle Wes signed a 2 year deal. Either way, that's still not 3+ years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 When is the last time the Marlins signed a free agent to a 3+ year deal and the player rode out the entire contract? Been a while. That's not necessarily a bad thing though. Trading Ricky, Buehrle, and Josh were all good decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backin2008 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I don't mind giving multi year deals to position players. To me it's harder to bet on a pitcher staying healthy than a position player. It usually takes a three year type of deal for a proven player coming off a decent season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWiener Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Why would anyone stay to the end of the last year of a contract if the team is not currently in the race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Anyone that has a problem with this signing should be forced to watch video of every game last year and watch Rob Brantly and Jeff Mathis play. BTW you are aware that Salty and Mathis strikeout at about the same rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Anyone that has a problem with this signing should be forced to watch video of every game last year and watch Rob Brantly and Jeff Mathis play. BTW you are aware that Salty and Mathis strikeout at about the same rate?Are you aware that if Saltalamacchia OPSed .650 in 2014, it would be 115 points higher than Mathis in 2013? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backin2008 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Anyone that has a problem with this signing should be forced to watch video of every game last year and watch Rob Brantly and Jeff Mathis play. BTW you are aware that Salty and Mathis strikeout at about the same rate? Are you aware that Mathis has a career batting average of .195, with a weak ass OPS of .565? That is over 570 major league games and 1,644 at bats. They have nothing in common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 According to the Herald (based on some report out of Boston) the Sox offered him 2/18 with incentives. If true, it looks like the home-town factor was a pretty big chunk of his equation as Boston was willing to pay him 86+% in 2 years of what we will pay him in 3. In fact, over the first 2 years, we'll pay him just 13 mill vs 18. MA state income tax would have taken about 2.6% (they'd tax his home game income at 5.25%) more of that than would FL, so 86+% turns into 83.4+%, but that's still a huge fraction of our 3 year contract. And to think that some said no FA would ever sign here, never mind at a significant discount to market rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vince0926 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Think we can pick up Napoli or at least get real with it by the end of the winter meetings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Anyone that has a problem with this signing should be forced to watch video of every game last year and watch Rob Brantly and Jeff Mathis play. BTW you are aware that Salty and Mathis strikeout at about the same rate? Are you aware that Mathis has a career batting average of .195, with a weak ass OPS of .565? That is over 570 major league games and 1,644 at bats. They have nothing in common.Did I say they OPSed at the same rate? I said they strikeout at the same rate people tend to ignore that until the season starts and you will see the postings all about the strikeouts like he never ever struck out before... I am saying it now SALTY WILL STRIKEOUT ALOT He has 156 more K than he does hits in his MLB career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Now Backin2008 do you have any stat to dispute that Salty strikes out a lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 People strike out. It happens. Get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 People strike out. It happens. Get over it. If Salty hit at the rate he strikes out he would be a perennial all star and in a few years would be a HOF candidate He has good power but our stadium is not as much of a hitters park as Fenway I love that he is a switch hitter but I fear he is going to have hitting woes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 For what it's worth, Marlins Park was more of a hitter's park than Fenway was last season. Marlins Park was less of a HR park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 People strike out. It happens. Get over it. If Salty hit at the rate he strikes out he would be a perennial all star and in a few years would be a HOF candidate This is a really, really terrible argument. I think SomethingFishy could have rebutted this properly while Old Timer posted a picture of Admin Beinfest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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