SongInTheAir Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Interesting read here, including the fact that Benedict asked for Edwin Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 I only clicked it because I noticed you didn't write it. Really though, nice read, very detailed and eye opening. Part of it could be spring training optimism from Sanson but the details make it all seems pretty legit. Thanks for posting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batato Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 the whole whispering in the ear thing was funny... I could just picture Jennings doing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Samson is so annoying. Just shut up. You're irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Samson is so annoying. Just shut up. You're irrelevant. But is he wrong this time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 ### A decaying minor league system. The Marlins don’t have a single player in MLB.com’s list of top 100 prospects, and the fact their seven minor league teams all finished in last place last season “was not lost on me,” president David Samson said. “We can’t have that. We don’t do the minor leagues to win. We do it to develop. When your entire system is bereft, when you don’t have one prospect in the top 100 -- arguably we should have, but you don’t -- you’ve got to take a look and understand why. We did a pretty deep dive into that and we need to do better.” * * * “Austin Nola has an outside chance to be a utility guy,” said that minor-league official, who asked that his name not be used. “We’re really down in talent in our system. We’ve up given up guys like Chad Wallach, Austin Barnes, Andrew Heaney, Anthony DeSclafani in trades. We’ve got to sign more international players. We’re giving some of our international money to other clubs." This. The marlins will really suffer for all the stupid drafting and trading decisions. Man, do I hate this front office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokersgoon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 It's a major step in admitting the issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 But is he wrong this time? He just gave a politically correct answer on everything as he usually does before it goes downhill. Better question is, why is this guy still involved in any baseball-related decisions? This article makes it seem like he's an assistant GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 And while it's nice that they seem more open-minded about the issues, it's embarrassing that Mike Hill gets paid to be a GM yet talks about analytics like they just came out the other day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Samson: " We don’t do the minor leagues to win " No fucking shit. The win-loss record of your depleted farm system proves that. I've always wished that the Marlins would go after more international talent and if they think playoffs are possible with Koehler as a number 3 starter, then they are fucking full of it. I've watched his last few starts of 2015 on mlbtv and he is a #5 at best or a bullpen arm (but we all already knew that!) I would have more confidence in this team if they had signed 1 (or 2 because I am greedy) really big arm after getting Chen. After Jose and Chen, it just seems too thin to rely on Koehler, Cosart and Conley/Nicolino for a whole season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 If you believe everything the article says, those aren't really Loria problems. If things are that bad, why does Mike Hill still have a job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 It's a major step in admitting the issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 He just gave a politically correct answer on everything as he usually does before it goes downhill. Better question is, why is this guy still involved in any baseball-related decisions? This article makes it seem like he's an assistant GM. I think he gave more than just politically correct answers. Maybe not every word in the article came from Samsons mouth but that article had a lot of specific examples and reasons for those internal issues as well as how they're attempting to fix the issues. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt this time because he didn't just say "Oh well we're working every day to improve this club and get back to the postseason, thanks, see ya later." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I also call bullshit on the Wei-Yin Chen signing being an analytical move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I also call bullshit on the Wei-Yin Chen signing being an analytical move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted March 1, 2016 Author Share Posted March 1, 2016 I only clicked it because I noticed you didn't write it. Really though, nice read, very detailed and eye opening. Part of it could be spring training optimism from Sanson but the details make it all seems pretty legit. Thanks for posting it. Now I have a sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 So we really got the HOPE this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 If you believe everything the article says, those aren't really Loria problems. If things are that bad, why does Mike Hill still have a job? #CultureOfLosing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYmarlins Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 The only thing that I found interesting was the fact that Jennings was talking to Shields and only Loria knew about it, no one else did. Everything else we pretty much knew for the most part. The one part that annoys me is that Samson controls the budget with Hill. Why doesn't Samson focus on just marketing the team? Put more time into getting naming rights and a TV deal. This guy has no business in the baseball operations side of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 The only thing that I found interesting was the fact that Jennings was talking to Shields and only Loria knew about it, no one else did. Everything else we pretty much knew for the most part. I knew about it! This kinda explains why I had mentioned that interest here and not many others did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish14 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 There are a lot of issues on this team but it is promising to see them openly talking about how bad they've been in the past and address how they plan to change it. Id much rather this than not admitting mistakes and continuing on as they have been. The one thing this team needs to start taking advantage of, however, is the international signings. It is literally equivalent to there being two drafts, an American/Canadian and an international one, and completely choosing to sit out the international one or selling your draft picks for cash. Especially as a lower market team you can't be completely shutting out one of your 2 major sources for prospects that will eventually be cheap productive players on your team potentially for 6 years. Everyone likes to critique our drafting, and while it hasn't been good, it isn't entirely the reason our farm system is awful, its the fact that we do nothing with major talent in the international pools. Not to mention the fact that if we were aggressive in the international market we would probably have major success being in Miami and close to the countries in the Carribbean where all these guys are coming from. Our front office has been terrible but its good t see them admit mistakes and while Jeff Baker was 100% right in being a cancer by talking shit about the front office, its good to see the team trying to fix issues that have been blatant for a very long time. The only thing I can't stand is how many voices we have in our front office. Granted i'd take 100 baseball guys arguing rather than Mike Hill being the only person in charge of everything, but I feel like we have way to many voices in our front office. Even in the article the way David Samson described our chain of command was absurd. Every GM listens to others and information is power, but this many voices running our team seems doomed to fail, at least to me. And the fact that we are so behind on analytics compared to teams that have been using them for years is kind of pathetic and has been talked about in depth for years on this board. Its absolutely pathetic and mind boggling that this team got built a stadium using public funds and was completely ignoring a huge facet of modern baseball and team building. We are an incredibly poorly run organization and I feel like we have this kind of article come out every spring training and nothing changes, but there is no way to read this article and feel any way other than positive about the direction this team went in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish14 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Also what exactly does Samson do? He isn't a baseball guy and any time he speaks publicly it seems to lead to either public embarrassment for the team or he comes off as a guy who is completely lying to your face blatantly and expecting fans to believe him. Nice guy but my goodness has he overstayed his welcome here. The day loria sells and he is gone will be one of the happiest days of my life regarding sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokersgoon Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I knew about it! This kinda explains why I had mentioned that interest here and not many others did. So your source was Dan Jennings. Makes sense now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Man Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Actually I pictured something similar to this going on behind the scenes. This is just them admitting as such. 12 years man... 12 freaking years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MittRomney Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 The FO is clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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