But how many fingerprints might be on that wheel? Could be more than three people.

 

If none of the 2 in the vessel prints are on there then Jose was the driving.

 

 

Yeah I don't think fingerprints can do much unless the other two never once touched the wheel.

 

 

If none of the 2 in the vessel prints are on there then Jose was the driving.

Yeah, true.

But how many fingerprints might be on that wheel? Could be more than three people.

 

That was exactly the same question I asked him..

 

 

Actually the lawyer says the guy they met that night was driving. If his prints are on the wheel that could mean something because he had never been on that boat before. Why would he be driving?

 

 

If all three's prints are on there then we may never know who drove when they crashed. That alleged phone conversation might be the only hope.

 

 

Actually the lawyer says the guy they met that night was driving. If his prints are on the wheel that could mean something because he had never been on that boat before. Why would he be driving?

 

Which will free Jose, even if he was behind the wheel during impact 

 

 

If I were on a jury and the lawyer presented "evidence" of fingerprints on the wheel to determine that a particular person was driving, I would not be convinced at all.

 

 

My money's on Rivero supplying the blow. This reminds me of that Andy Garcia film "Magic City Memoirs" 

 

 

Which will free Jose, even if he was behind the wheel during impact 

You're saying if Macias' prints are on the wheel that will legally save Jose's ass? Why? Because they can claim Macias was driving?

 

 

If I were on a jury and the lawyer presented "evidence" of fingerprints on the wheel to determine that a particular person was driving, I would not be convinced at all.

 

That's all they could do... but in addition to interviews (who usually drives, do they usually drive this route, etc.) it could make a compelling case. Either way not enough firm evidence.

 

 

I don't think today's news changes Jose's positive contributions to baseball to the team to the community and to his family but it definitely tarnishes his legacy and memory somewhat. I'm curious to what the Marlins as an organization are thinking as to how this changes how they honor Jose moving forward. Do they still retire his number? What about whatever else they were planning to do next season?

 

 

DRUG.

 

 

"His death was a tragedy," MLB commissioner Rob Manfred said before Game 4 of the World Series on Saturday, according to USA Today. "These facts were unfortunate. But it doesn't alter the fact he was a great, great player, a good young man, and he will be sorely missed in Miami."

 

 

 

I don't think today's news changes Jose's positive contributions to baseball to the team to the community and to his family but it definitely tarnishes his legacy and memory somewhat. I'm curious to what the Marlins as an organization are thinking as to how this changes how they honor Jose moving forward. Do they still retire his number? What about whatever else they were planning to do next season?

 

good point ,I think the coke thing overshadow anything positive for Jose personal life. I highly doubt the Marlins will retire his # now

 

 

I think this is going to turn into a big scandal, where members of the team or even the front office knew about his probable drug addictions and did nothing to report it.

 

 

I think his number is still retired. I don't see a massive drug addict.... I see a good person who made a horrible mistake. So far at least

 

Nobody is perfect. There's things to be learned from this. It's not like he should be erased from history.

I'm going to try and tread carefully on this but this does diminish his legacy slightly for me. He was still a great player and was great to the fans. We most likely will never know if the cocaine use was a habit or a bad decision after a hard night. I can't and won't ever condone drunk driving (whoever was driving) as I've seen the consequences of it over the years. All the guys did know what they were getting into though when they got on the boat. 

 

Now going over to the more controversial side. I can't help but to think that as a fan base on a baseball level, we would have been in for diasppoitment down the road. People can try and rationalize the use of cocaine all they want but someone that makes a radical decision like that TYPICALLY has consequences in the long run.  I'm not trying to say that his death was a good thing or anything so nobody get their dicks caught in a blender. I would obviously have him lived and let everything play out for better or worse. He could have gotten help if he needed it or moved on when his life. As I said,we most likely have no way of telling if this was a first time or a one time thing.

 

The people I do feel sorry for are the families that have to live with the decisions made by these gentlemen. 

 

Was Oscar Tavares number retired by the Cardinals? Jose is a different level talent wise.

 

 

 

 

Drug use is more common than you think. Plenty of people use recreationally and avoid addiction. There were zero signs that Jose had a drug problem.

I told my wife this same thing this morning. Also Oscar Tavarez hadn't accomplished anything as a player before his death so the two cases are not comparable. The retiring of Jose's number shouldn't be because he died it should be because of his baseball accomplishments.

I don't think these new revelations will have any effect on the tributes planned by the Marlins

 

 

Drug use is more common than you think. Plenty of people use recreationally and avoid addiction. There were zero signs that Jose had a drug problem.

 

I was leaning more to long term effects such as suspensions if caught if he was a regular user, which we may never know. Yes drug use is common in life but for someone that is drug tested regularly with millions of dollars on the line, I'd say it's pretty poor decision making, even a one time use. 

 

 

I hate the media. let the man rest

 

 

It's possible, but it's also possible the cocaine was recreational. At least I hope it was.

 

95-98% of cocaine use is recreational. You're exactly right imo