97marlin Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Why are we still trying to build a team around starting pitching. Our starters suck, we don't really have good long term options. Why don't we just do as the Rays do, and dump the idea of starting pitching. If we find we have an "ace" he can start but other than that let a bullpen guy pitch every day. We should have done this when Jose died RIP. We didn't we still suck. its been shown to work so we don't even have to be progressive. We Need To Do This! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Well, we don't have an offense to build around either after dumping it last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 You can't build an entire organization around "bullpening" and at least we have a better starting pitching base to build around at this point than a position player base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Yeah,other organizations always doing better than us,right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Yeah,other organizations always doing better than us,right ? Well yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazen Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Bullpen doesn’t seem like the way to go about building your team. I got a better idea. Why don’t we have good starting pitching AND a good bullpen? That’s a good idea if you ask me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Bullpen doesn’t seem like the way to go about building your team. I got a better idea. Why don’t we have good starting pitching AND a good bullpen? That’s a good idea if you ask me Revolutionary concept here. This could be the next big thing in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazen Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Revolutionary concept here. This could be the next big thing in baseball. Could write a whole elegy on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Could write a whole elegy on it If you do then make sure you post it here. We don't have enough elegy threads around here lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 If you do then make sure you post it here. We don't have enough elegy threads around here lately. Don't have any if you want to be accurate. I saw some site named fan charts or something had one possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Don't have any if you want to be accurate. I saw some site named fan charts or something had one possibly. Never heard of them, I'll have to look them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97marlin Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 We have tons of guys who are good starters, but if we use them to only go through the order once they will be more successful. Good starting pitching is really hard to have. I think if we just use them more often in smaller amounts they will be more effective. And our overall pitching will be better. Isn't that the goal? Give up less runs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valid Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Having a great bullpen to take over after the fifth inning is one thing. Specifically building a bullpen to go all nine innings is another. The Rays only did what they did this year because they had injuries and their starting pitching sucked outside of Blake Snell. "Bullpenning" is a very risky way to build a team. I'm okay with it in spot situations, but not for a full season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97marlin Posted October 4, 2018 Author Share Posted October 4, 2018 Having a great bullpen to take over after the fifth inning is one thing. Specifically building a bullpen to go all nine innings is another. The Rays only did what they did this year because they had injuries and their starting pitching sucked outside of Blake Snell. "Bullpenning" is a very risky way to build a team. I'm okay with it in spot situations, but not for a full season. The Rays were going to do it regardless of how good there pitching staff is. And just to be clear I don't think we should go a new pitcher every innings. I just thinking having a bunch of long guys in the pen, and restrict innings for starters to 2 times through the order can be successful. And considering how many prospects we have who are fine, i think it would make our pitching staff better over all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 The Rays were going to do it regardless of how good there pitching staff is. And just to be clear I don't think we should go a new pitcher every innings. I just thinking having a bunch of long guys in the pen, and restrict innings for starters to 2 times through the order can be successful. And considering how many prospects we have who are fine, i think it would make our pitching staff better over all. I still don't think that's something sustainable throughout the majority of a season and there's almost no way you can actually build an entire organization around that tactic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Just because an organization that have no the future (yeah,I mean the Rays) doing something different for whatever reason so we're needed to follow that for whatever reason just because we're suck now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97marlin Posted October 4, 2018 Author Share Posted October 4, 2018 Just because an organization that have no the future (yeah,I mean the Rays) doing something different for whatever reason so we're needed to follow that for whatever reason just because we're suck now ? It worked! The Rays won 90 games, when was the last time we won 90 games. The Brewers are in the playoffs and won the central. I think the evidence has already been shown to work. Reduce the amount of times players see your pitchers the better they do. Period. We have examples of other organizations who did it and it worked well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Between the last two seasons the Marlins have won way more than 90 games so I don't see what the problem is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmg42 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 The Rays had a starter win 21 games this year with a 1.98 ERA, so all this talk about bullpen only doesn't take him into account. They were a pretty mediocre team when Snell wasn't pitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 It also remains to be seen how this strategy works in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 It also remains to be seen how this strategy works in the playoffs. There was a game last night where this was attempted. Did you miss it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I'm so confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 There was a game last night where this was attempted. Did you miss it? And apparently it's failed this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 If pitching less would make a pitcher better than maybe hitting less would make a hitter better,too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 If pitching less would make a pitcher better than maybe hitting less would make a hitter better,too. Brinson tried that - didn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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