August 14, 20196 yr Author Does Sierra ever get another shot? It's just not hurt to call up him in the next month.
August 14, 20196 yr Does Sierra ever get another shot? At this point I think they should bring him up and give him an opportunity to have a decent stretch so they can trade him somewhere, cause I don’t see him getting a chance anywhere here honestly.
August 15, 20196 yr 3 minutes ago, FishFan95 said: [MEDIA=twitter]1161807746041335809[/MEDIA] Almost destroyed that umbrella. Gol-darn.
August 15, 20196 yr Bleday with a homer tonight, his third. Fortes and Alonso homered earlier in game one of the doubleheader for Jupiter.
August 15, 20196 yr At this point I think they should bring him up and give him an opportunity to have a decent stretch so they can trade him somewhere, cause I don’t see him getting a chance anywhere here honestly. I think that's a bit presumptive. He is 23. Not 26. He clearly improve this year. We should let him spend next year in triple a. If he can strikeout less than 15% and walk more than 5% and play plus plus centerfield with a wrc+ of say 105(?) He would 100% have a place on this team. Don't bring him up, don't waste the option. Bring him up next year if he continues to improve.
August 15, 20196 yr I think that's a bit presumptive. He is 23. Not 26. He clearly improve this year. We should let him spend next year in triple a. If he can strikeout less than 15% and walk more than 5% and play plus plus centerfield with a wrc+ of say 105(?) He would 100% have a place on this team. Don't bring him up, don't waste the option. Bring him up next year if he continues to improve. What I mean is he doesn’t have a FUTURE on this team. I think the fact that he hasn’t come up once and they put JT riddle in center a lot this year proves that. Far too many outfield options. You have Jesus Sanchez, Bleday, monte Harrison, that will be up in the big leagues by 2021 (and if I’m gonna have a 4th outfielder I want someone with some pop off the bench). So yeah bring him up with the expectation to trade him because unless what we have coming up completely tanks, he won’t be anything worth having around especially considering his lack of versatility (versatility being what got Riddle in there over him). An all defense-no offense fourth outfielder can be easily picked up when the time for contention rolls around. Also: I think cooper has earned his spot as that 4th outfielder / back up corner infielder so again, I just don’t see where he belongs.
August 15, 20196 yr What I mean is he doesn’t have a FUTURE on this team. I think the fact that he hasn’t come up once and they put JT riddle in center a lot this year proves that. Far too many outfield options. You have Jesus Sanchez, Bleday, monte Harrison, that will be up in the big leagues by 2021 (and if I’m gonna have a 4th outfielder I want someone with some pop off the bench). So yeah bring him up with the expectation to trade him because unless what we have coming up completely tanks, he won’t be anything worth having around especially considering his lack of versatility (versatility being what got Riddle in there over him). An all defense-no offense fourth outfielder can be easily picked up when the time for contention rolls around. Also: I think cooper has earned his spot as that 4th outfielder / back up corner infielder so again, I just don’t see where he belongs. I hear what you are saying, but he is 23. And he has had some level of success in double a this year. If you bring him up you HAVE to trade him. No choice in the matter. He will not make the opening day roster, and he will be out of minor league options. So instead give him another year in the minors, see if the 24 year old version is better. It would be unwise to say "these are my outfielders, period". I think the decision with Riddle is more evidence that they think of Sierra as a long term option. They feel that due to his glove he has potential, and they like the improvements he had made thus far in the season. I think Sierra is right now not a sure thing in the marlins future plans, but is it possible he becomes a more valuable asset than Harrison, yeah. It absolutely is. Sierra doesn't have enough pop, but he has been trying to improve that all year. And if he comes to triple a and can be good, he will make enough contact to be successful. Just to be clear I don't think he is the answer, for sure. But I absolutely think it's worth having him in the organization. For that reason it would be dumb to bring him up.
August 16, 20196 yr I hear what you are saying, but he is 23. And he has had some level of success in double a this year. If you bring him up you HAVE to trade him. No choice in the matter. He will not make the opening day roster, and he will be out of minor league options. So instead give him another year in the minors, see if the 24 year old version is better. It would be unwise to say "these are my outfielders, period". I think the decision with Riddle is more evidence that they think of Sierra as a long term option. They feel that due to his glove he has potential, and they like the improvements he had made thus far in the season. I think Sierra is right now not a sure thing in the marlins future plans, but is it possible he becomes a more valuable asset than Harrison, yeah. It absolutely is. Sierra doesn't have enough pop, but he has been trying to improve that all year. And if he comes to triple a and can be good, he will make enough contact to be successful. Just to be clear I don't think he is the answer, for sure. But I absolutely think it's worth having him in the organization. For that reason it would be dumb to bring him up. Bringing him up would not use his option. If that were true, than Galloway would have 2 right now instead of 3. As long as the team does not send him down before the end of the year, the option would be retained and he would have one for next year.
August 16, 20196 yr Bringing him up would not use his option. If that were true, than Galloway would have 2 right now instead of 3. As long as the team does not send him down before the end of the year, the option would be retained and he would have one for next year. That's not how options work. @97marlin has it right. Sierra will be out of options to start 2020. Galloway's situation was different because he was removed from the 40-man.
August 16, 20196 yr If Sierra does not get called up this year he doesn't not use an option. Right @SonOfJack?
August 16, 20196 yr That's not how options work. @97marlin has it right. Sierra will be out of options to start 2020. Galloway's situation was different because he was removed from the 40-man. This is from an article in 2011, but I don't believe that option rules have been modified. Getting removed from the 40 man roster would not have restored Gallaway's option which would have been consumed the moment he got called up last year if you are correct. https://www.mlbdailydish.com/2011/9/3/2400914/mlb-roster-rules-25-man-roster Options If a player is removed from the 25 man roster and sent down to the minors, they are considered to be "optioned" to the minors. They are removed from the 25-man roster, but will remain on the 40-man roster as a result of this move. Each player has a limited number of options (3) that can be used for them. If the team has used up all of that players' options, the player will have to clear waivers prior to being sent to the minors. Options are a bit tricky, but here's the basics: If a player is sent down to the minors on April 10th, he uses an option. The option is technically good for the whole year, meaning that however many times the player is called up and sent back down during that season, they still only use up 1 option. If a player stays up from the time they are called up through the rest of the season, no option is used. For example, Evan Longoria still has all 3 of his options, as he has never been sent down since being called up in 2008. A player must remain in the minors for 10 days before being recalled. The only exception is if the team places a player on the 25-man roster on the disabled list after the move. A player is not charged with an option if the total number of days spent in the minors during a season is fewer than twenty. A team can not option a player with five years or more major-league service time, without his consent. If the player refuses to be optioned, the team needs to either trade, release, or keep the player on the 25-man roster. If a player is sent to the minors and has already used up all their options, they are required to be placed on waivers, where one of two things can occur: A team will claim the player, at which point the player's contract is transferred to this new team. No team puts in a claim on the player, and the original team can send him to the minors. A fourth option is triggered for some players, instead of the traditional three. The player needs to meet the following criteria: Less than five pro seasons, and optioned in three separate years. Spent less than 90 days on an active pro team in a season, but not including a player who played a full season in short-season ball. Can't be placed on the disabled list after accumulated 60 days of service in any particular season.
August 16, 20196 yr This is from an article in 2011, but I don't believe that option rules have been modified. Getting removed from the 40 man roster would not have restored Gallaway's option which would have been consumed the moment he got called up last year if you are correct. https://www.mlbdailydish.com/2011/9/3/2400914/mlb-roster-rules-25-man-roster Options If a player is removed from the 25 man roster and sent down to the minors, they are considered to be "optioned" to the minors. They are removed from the 25-man roster, but will remain on the 40-man roster as a result of this move. Each player has a limited number of options (3) that can be used for them. If the team has used up all of that players' options, the player will have to clear waivers prior to being sent to the minors. Options are a bit tricky, but here's the basics: If a player is sent down to the minors on April 10th, he uses an option. The option is technically good for the whole year, meaning that however many times the player is called up and sent back down during that season, they still only use up 1 option. If a player stays up from the time they are called up through the rest of the season, no option is used. For example, Evan Longoria still has all 3 of his options, as he has never been sent down since being called up in 2008. A player must remain in the minors for 10 days before being recalled. The only exception is if the team places a player on the 25-man roster on the disabled list after the move. A player is not charged with an option if the total number of days spent in the minors during a season is fewer than twenty. A team can not option a player with five years or more major-league service time, without his consent. If the player refuses to be optioned, the team needs to either trade, release, or keep the player on the 25-man roster. If a player is sent to the minors and has already used up all their options, they are required to be placed on waivers, where one of two things can occur: A team will claim the player, at which point the player's contract is transferred to this new team. No team puts in a claim on the player, and the original team can send him to the minors. A fourth option is triggered for some players, instead of the traditional three. The player needs to meet the following criteria: Less than five pro seasons, and optioned in three separate years. Spent less than 90 days on an active pro team in a season, but not including a player who played a full season in short-season ball. Can't be placed on the disabled list after accumulated 60 days of service in any particular season. Just to be clear then, If Sierra is brought up, and he does not make the major league roster out of camp, he will need to clear wavers to go to the minors?
August 16, 20196 yr Just to be clear then, If Sierra is brought up, and he does not make the major league roster out of camp, he will need to clear wavers to go to the minors? He would need to be removed from the 40-man, and doing so would require he pass through waivers. Since he has not had a prior outright, the Marlins would then be able to outright him to a minor league roster (assuming he passes through waivers, which he almost certainly wouldn't). @FishFan95, this is what happened with Isaac Galloway: AAA: Signed to minor league contract MLB: Marlins purchase his contract, adding him to the 40-man roster and to the 25-man roster MLB: Marlins DFA Galloway (removing him from 40-man roster) AAA: Marlins outright Galloway to AAA In order for an option to be consumed, a player must be sent to the minors ("optioned" to the minors) while still on the 40-man roster. Galloway had no such chance as his time on the 40-man was confined to his time on the 25-man roster. Players like Peter O'Brien and (currently) Wilkin Castillo have resided on both the 40-man and a minor league roster, and those players have burned an option year as a result. Guys on the 40-man roster are "protected" in a number of ways (they can't reach minor league free agency, they aren't eligible for the Rule 5 Draft), so to prevent teams from just protecting minor leaguers for years and years and years (without accruing the major league service time needed to become a major league free agent) teams may only stash a 40-man roster'd player in the minors in 3 different seasons. When they do so, they are "optioning" that player to a minor league roster.
August 17, 20196 yr 9 minutes ago, SonOfJack said: [MEDIA=twitter]1162512001895211009[/MEDIA] Laywin isn't a bust ?
August 17, 20196 yr He would need to be removed from the 40-man, and doing so would require he pass through waivers. Since he has not had a prior outright, the Marlins would then be able to outright him to a minor league roster (assuming he passes through waivers, which he almost certainly wouldn't). @FishFan95, this is what happened with Isaac Galloway: AAA: Signed to minor league contract MLB: Marlins purchase his contract, adding him to the 40-man roster and to the 25-man roster MLB: Marlins DFA Galloway (removing him from 40-man roster) AAA: Marlins outright Galloway to AAA In order for an option to be consumed, a player must be sent to the minors ("optioned" to the minors) while still on the 40-man roster. Galloway had no such chance as his time on the 40-man was confined to his time on the 25-man roster. Players like Peter O'Brien and (currently) Wilkin Castillo have resided on both the 40-man and a minor league roster, and those players have burned an option year as a result. Guys on the 40-man roster are "protected" in a number of ways (they can't reach minor league free agency, they aren't eligible for the Rule 5 Draft), so to prevent teams from just protecting minor leaguers for years and years and years (without accruing the major league service time needed to become a major league free agent) teams may only stash a 40-man roster'd player in the minors in 3 different seasons. When they do so, they are "optioning" that player to a minor league roster. My point is that as long as he is not sent down the rest of the year, Sierra will retain his option into the next year. If they send him down next year after Spring Training, the Marlins would have to use an option, but since it would not have been burned this year, they would have still have one. They would have the ability to promote or demote him indefinitely next year. My argument with Galloway had nothing to do with his demotion. It had to do with the fact that he did not lose an option by getting called up to the big league club.
August 17, 20196 yr Just to be clear then, If Sierra is brought up, and he does not make the major league roster out of camp, he will need to clear wavers to go to the minors? He would still have one option next year as long as he does not get sent down before the end of this year, so the Marlins would have the ability to safely send him down.
August 17, 20196 yr He would still have one option next year as long as he does not get sent down before the end of this year, so the Marlins would have the ability to safely send him down. Sorry, we are definitely taking past each other. Yes, Sierra has one more option year. The Cardinals called him up in 2017, but did not option him that year. He has been optioned last year and this year, meaning he has one more option year.
August 17, 20196 yr Sorry, we are definitely taking past each other. Yes, Sierra has one more option year. The Cardinals called him up in 2017, but did not option him that year. He has been optioned last year and this year, meaning he has one more option year. [ATTACH]3183._xfImport[/ATTACH] Apparently he was optioned in 2017. I checked Marlins transactions from this year from rotoworld and it did not list the option this year so I did not realize that they had used it. The point is moot then. @97marlinHe will be out of options next year regardless of whether he is called up or not. So they should definitely call him up an give him some reps before the year is done.
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