GiveTheseGuysAStadium

HA HA. I love that guy.

And we're forgetting the best part about Josias Manzanillo. Occassionally, he would hit his cup real hard with the baseball. Apparently, years before he took a line drive to the testicles and lost one because of it. He would do that in order to remind himself that it could happen again. He was a fun guy to watch. He started off hot when we first got him, but then he started giving up runs like crazy.

One of the best examples of this may be Coors Field in Denver. "LoDo" was one of the absolute worst parts of the city but once Coors Field was built it has become a hot spot for night life as well as many new restaurants and other attractions. The stadium did wonders for the neighborhood as well as the city of Denver... I agree with this 110%. I moved to Denver about 3 years ago and am amazed at what Coors Field has done to that area. There is tons of nightlife and cool bars and property values have SOARED. Coors Field is also one of the most beautiful, fan-friendly stadiums I've ever been to.

woah...that is kinda scary that it was May 21.

I am rapidly changing my mind on Loria. I was in his camp for a long time, but recently I'm just getting tired of him. There is no need to keep fueling the fire. Just shut up. People will keep asking questions, but if you give them sound bites then you make it a story. If you don't, there's nothing new to report. I personally am not a fan of Girardi and would not be upset if he was gone after this year, but he's your manager and you can't undermine him like that. To whoever said that if we get a stadium its all because of Girardi...I have no idea what you're talking about. I hope that was a typo because otherwise its ridiculous to even say that. Girardi has 0% to do with anything stadium related. Also, I love people using Dontrelle quotes to show how good Girardi is. When have you ever heard Dontrelle say anything negative about anyone? I think if Dave Wannstedt was his manager he'd say "I love Coach. He's great". Loria just needs to shut the hell up...cheer on his team as they try and ride this momentum into the playoffs...and worry about getting us the stadium.

Someone has mentioned something about Selig having the power to remove Loria...I had never heard that before. How can a commissioner do something like that? Does he need votes from other owners? Does he need cause? I'm confused by that.

I hope the papers down here get off their a** and start reporting on this damn thing. If there really was a reasonable deal on the table and Loria turned it down, that'll be the tipping point for me. I've been on Loria's side since he got here...that may change.

I'd say go to the game, but bring a raincoat or poncho, just in case. Oh, I'm going. No question about that. I just hope the game can be played. Thats an awesome link btw, Hollyberry. Where'd you get that Dolphin Stadium pic?

I can't pick one. I go to both the Herald and Sun Sentinel for my news. Sometimes I go to SS first, sometimes I go to the Herald first. Can't pick one of them.

It is UGLY out there right now. I'm in Downtown and the sky is pitch black. I'm hoping this game can be played. Its my last chance to catch the Fish before I head back to school. Anyone know the forecast for tonight?

honestly, I don't care who we chase. I'm just glad that St. Louie has been struggling. Now we just have to hope for one of those two teams to fail.

Is the title of this thread overly pessimistic or is it like no chance in hell of coming back dead?

It is scary to remember that the city used to own the Arena and sold it for like 26 million. What a shame. Is that because they have to buy it back now? Does the Arena play into this whole thing somehow? I"m trying to dissect all your posts.

I voted Gonzo. Although both hold very special places in my heart.... Renteria's Game 7 hit. Gonzo's Game 4 Walk Off I'm still waiting for Hanley's dramatic World Series moment..............

Today is a big day for the Marlins even though they are not on the field. Did whatever was supposed to happen to make this a big day happen? Was it going to be something that wasn't public? Day is almost over.

is this the "compromise" gobucks has been talking about? :mischief2

great game today! Miggy's 100....Our 3rd Rookie getting 10 wins...4 game win streak. AWESOME.

okay, I dont have an answer for you...but I could stare at your sig all day. hot.

I don't know this show....what station?

What other owner in baseball does things like that? Example, you would never see George Steinbrenner do that, never. Please clarify this statement. Are we talking about the George Steinbrenner who went through 17 Managers in his first 17 season? The same Steinbrenner who fired and re-hired Billy Martin FIVE times? What exactly would we never see George Steinbrenner do?

I think the only way you can objectively judge a manager is in "in-game management." Otherwise, you opinions are not grounded in logic. You may think Girardi is a "great motivator," but you have NOTHING to base that on. If the the D-Train says he is, does that make it so? D-Train also said Trader Jack was a great motivator for him personally, because he felt like when he gave him the ball he was expected to peform...BUT, after Jack left, many players openly said they didn't care for him. The players public statements don't count...what else are they supposed to say?? They don't like him?? I don't think so. If you can't base a manager on his "in-game management skills," what basis do you have to think he is any good? Once again, IMO most of the public likes Girardi because he has name recognition, a former WS champ and Yankee persona, and is a young guy who has a likeable personality. And, the media seems to give him all the credit for our team. But anyone who actually WATCHES the games, knows his "in-game management" is quetionable at best, and other times is downright atrocious. Also, most of the people who follow the Marlins closely (not the general media) know that our team has TONS of talent...we are not a collection of minimum wage castaways that nobody else wants. Our payroll is not indicative of our talent. I think our biggest difference of opinion here is that I think the manager can actually have a large impact on our play and our overall record. As a Marlins fan, it suprises me that you don't see it that way, considering that only time we ever won anything we had LEYLAND and JACK McKeon (who receives a large portion of the credit for salvaging our season in 2003). I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Definitely agree with you here.

Just really curious exactly where the board stands on this.

No I've never denied him any kudos he deserves. More power to him. But its obvious to anyone without an agenda, just as a casual fan that he's not helping the team right now. His actions as of late have been about as detrimental to the team off the field as they can be. a) he tried to fire the possible candidate (by many) as Manager of the Year, in his rookie year. b) he has failed so far to rally the local community behind his team, because he is percieved to be a carpet bagger and actually looking to take the team elsewhere c) he has threatened to move the team, and didn't even hide the fact but was open about it. That doesn't court the hometown fans loyalty to your side. d) he committed the ultimate sin (in the eyes of some fans -- not myself) of yet another fire sale. Again making locals think he just doesn't want to win, but to ruin baseball here so he can take it elsewhere. They don't trust him and I am afraid never will. e) to this point he's refused to consider taking on local So Florida minority partners, yet expressed an interest in doing so if he moved the team to San Antonio. Again that doesn't foster a lot of good will towards the So Fla community. It makes many here feel his real agenda is to take baseball out of So Fla. If you can dispell any of those I want to hear it, because I really would like to think Loria is not as bad a guy as it seems he is. I've tried to stay on the fence on him but lately he's making it very hard not to take the other side. Okay, that first line...come on. Are you saying that anyone that doesn't vilify Loria has an "agenda". As for the points...I'll give my thoughts on them.... a) the Girardi Near Firing: Let me begin by admitting that I am not a Girardi fan. I realize if I were a Girardi fan I'd be more upset about this. I certainly see how Loria deserves some of the blame for that fiasco, but do you guys fail to see why Girardi deserves it as well? Obviously I dont know the entire story (and neither do any of you unless you were in that closed door meeting), but I view the problem as being both of their faults. b) he has failed so far to rally the local community because no one can. Look at the stuff he's done...he brought a WS team here, fielded winning teams that should have competed for two years after and still nobody cared. Exactly what would it take to "rally the local community"? The local community loves a winner. If you're not a winner, they don't care. Even the Dolphins drew far fewer fans to games the last couple of years when they weren't winning. So Fla is all about the Heat now, but before Shaq got here you couldn't give a ticket away. This community is rallied by winning, then the "fans" come out. c) Why shouldn't he threaten to move the team? He can't a stadium deal done because the state gives everyone else money and not him....and the FANS DON"T SHOW UP. Also, has he actually done it? The San Antonio deadline came and went and they didn't go. If he was so eager to leave, he would've done so already. d) again, I refuse to compare 98 and 06. In 06 we gave up contracts we couldn't afford and got an enormous amount of talent in return. The reason we were able to get all that talent is because teams knew we didn't HAVE to sell. We gave up talent ONLY when we got good offers in return. d-2) most of your other arguments have some validity, and I can certainly see why you feel the way you do even though I don't agree with you, but the "he doesn't want to win" argument needs to stop. Its weak. If he didn't want to win would he have brought in Pudge and Delgado? (in the past, but still part of his record). If he didn't want to win would he show up to all those games and cheer like the rest of the fans? The guy is a FAN. He loves this team. This is the one argument where I fail to see any truth to it. e) I have no argument for this one. I think he would do well bringing in other people. And would do well getting rid of Samson (atleast as the head of the stadium deal crew).

"Don't confuse the great job done by Beinfest and his people with anything Loria has done." Polo, yes Beinfest deserves most of the credit, but I think its unfair to say that Loria has nothing to do with it. When Beinfest has asked for special money, Loria has given it to him. I'd hardly call that doing nothing.

what what happened? I'm at work and can't watch the game. Its on gamecast and I just saw that Hermida is in RF. Cody and Uggla collided? what happened?