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Marlins1, he has poor range and terrible hands at 3B. Poor arm too IIRC. Its the reason he was moved to 1B in the first place. That said, anything is better than Bonifacio. again with your hate ,is this all you can muster and self opinions because you don't like him stop trying to corral peoples opinions with faults comments.last year AA MVP played both 1B & 3B about 1/2 & 1/2 so your opinion is wrong again but that is not news.I don't think FO would have him playing 3B if they agree with you.I think is time you stop this stupid argument he is going to make you look really bad but it's not the first time. Its not hate. Its the simple fact that everyone who has watched him, both fan and every scout, has noted how awful he is defensively at 3B. MVP awards have nothing to do with position either so that is a crappy argument. Spike its always the same crap ,fan & scouts that you want to make up.you don't award an MVP to a awful defensively player and more so if like you say scouts say that.simple fact.I'm done with this.your argument are always without merit. Crappy to awful defensive players win MVPs all the time. name them

Marlins1, he has poor range and terrible hands at 3B. Poor arm too IIRC. Its the reason he was moved to 1B in the first place. That said, anything is better than Bonifacio. again with your hate ,is this all you can muster and self opinions because you don't like him stop trying to corral peoples opinions with faults comments.last year AA MVP played both 1B & 3B about 1/2 & 1/2 so your opinion is wrong again but that is not news.I don't think FO would have him playing 3B if they agree with you.I think is time you stop this stupid argument he is going to make you look really bad but it's not the first time. Its not hate. Its the simple fact that everyone who has watched him, both fan and every scout, has noted how awful he is defensively at 3B. MVP awards have nothing to do with position either so that is a crappy argument. Spike its always the same crap ,fan & scouts that you want to make up.you don't award an MVP to a awful defensively player and more so if like you say scouts say that.simple fact.I'm done with this.your argument are always without merit.

Marlins1, he has poor range and terrible hands at 3B. Poor arm too IIRC. Its the reason he was moved to 1B in the first place. That said, anything is better than Bonifacio. again with your hate ,is this all you can muster and self opinions because you don't like him stop trying to corral peoples opinions with faults comments.last year AA MVP played both 1B & 3B about 1/2 & 1/2 so your opinion is wrong again but that is not news.I don't think FO would have him playing 3B if they agree with you.I think is time you stop this stupid argument he is going to make you look really bad but it's not the first time.

First half of '08 we had a player learning the 3B position and everybody complained. First half of '09 we have a player learning the 3B position and everybody is complaining. Now they want another guy at 3B learning the position, has a limited range side to side, and that has never shown anything at this level except he couldn't hit ML pitching in ST. Be careful what you wish for. Gaby has played 123 games at 3B in minor league,wrong about limited range listen to some games and make the right optimum and 33 at bats in ST does not mean sh*t. we love Coghlan and he did not start to hit until 100+ AB and he still hitting .265

Miami fan need to fix Gaby is 1 for 5 and he play 3B for 7 and 1B for 3 Maybin played and is o for 1

Because its going to happen whether I like it or not. Fredi and Beinfest like Bonifacio, I have just decided to not get pissed over this unexplainable infatuation. Reporter: So lets talk about Emilio Bonifacio." Beinfest: "Hes fast!" Reporter: "What other tools does he have?" Beinfest: "Negative 4. But damn it hes fast!" Reporter: "Can he hit?" Beinfest: "Not a lick. But hes got speed." Reporter: "Plate discipline?" Beinfest: "Nonexistant. A lightning bolt out of the box though!" Reporter: "Pitch recognition?" Beinfest: "Like a t-baller. But man can he zoom!" Reporter: "Good baserunner?" Beinfest: "A sitting duck on the basepaths! But just look at his high octane running ability!" Reporter: "Good fielder?" Beinfest: "Lenny Harris is Brooks Robinson by comparison. If Brooks Robinson was The Flash!" Reporter: "Hes at least got a good arm right?" Beinfest: "Average at best. But boy could outrun his own throws hes so damn quick!" Reporter: "You do realize that he has been one of the worst hitters in the game, correct?" Beinfest: "So what? You know what those 200 some odd better hitters dont have? His incredible erection causing speed! Who needs viagra when you have videotapes of Bonifacio running the 40 during spring training?!" Reporter: "And this guy is playing, why?" Beinfest: "Havent you been listening? The mother f***er is FAST!!!" finally we agree

What does Gaby have to do with Logan's defense? Several scout reports have talked about how Logan is a pretty good defensive 1b. making a point because some poster think Gaby is not a good defender and I think he is and to go back further in Jupiter Gaby in 104 games had 10 error and playing 3B 8 games 1 error not saying Logan is a bad defender but to compare I think they are both good and can play . the only advantage Gaby has is that he has played several position and Morrison only 1B and the several scout reports thing you can always find scouts that say whatever point you want to make. scout report don't mean crap. To be fair, errors in the minor leagues mean crap to me. I agree

The discussion had nothing to do with Gaby. Someone asked how good Logan was at 1st and their question was answered, Gaby Sanchez was not part of the discussion. And just for posterity, Logan Morrison was voted best defensive 1st baseman in the FSL last year as well. You have a habit of inserting Gaby Sanchez into discussions where no one is discussing him, specifically about Logan Morrison. wrong again the discussion was about Gaby & Logan and were they were going to play and wrong about me inserting Gaby in any discussion about Logan check any and all posting I have never done that .the reason is because I thing Morrison is also a great player and the Marlins need both of them in the line up and I don't care who place were.

What does Gaby have to do with Logan's defense? Several scout reports have talked about how Logan is a pretty good defensive 1b. making a point because some poster think Gaby is not a good defender and I think he is and to go back further in Jupiter Gaby in 104 games had 10 error and playing 3B 8 games 1 error not saying Logan is a bad defender but to compare I think they are both good and can play . the only advantage Gaby has is that he has played several position and Morrison only 1B and the several scout reports thing you can always find scouts that say whatever point you want to make. scout report don't mean crap.

Logan is pretty good at 1B. facts Logan in Jupiter last year 12 error this year in 5 games 1 error .Gaby last year 10 error was voted best defensive 1st baseman in Southern League AA .this year 21 games 0 error in 1B and in 9 games at 3B 1 error

Maybin is back tonight and hitting 2nd. Maybin is back after serving a two day suspension for bumping an umpire Didnt he hurt his finger? yes he dislocated pinky but he was back and playing

Maybin is back tonight and hitting 2nd. Maybin is back after serving a two day suspension for bumping an umpire

Luckily I dont use errors, one of the poorest defensive stats there is, to determine defensive value. Any scout or eyewitness who has ever seen him has noted just how bad his defense is over there. I know you love Gaby Sanchez and I have no problem with that. All I want is for you to base your opinion of him in reality, something you have never done. Someone like you, who is so...well I cant find anything that doesnt sound hateful, so someone like you who has no idea what they are talking about is not worth arguing with. I feel the same about you. I dont know how you could, considering I use logic, history, scouting reports, and statistics to back up my stances and you use...well, none of those things. that's the problem you use make up you own stats .I use his stats .by the way you want Chris Coghlan playing 3B in 42 games in the minors he has 12 errors .everything I post is with logic,history,scouting reports and statistics that are real. and with that I'll let you have the last word like you always want to do.

Luckily I dont use errors, one of the poorest defensive stats there is, to determine defensive value. Any scout or eyewitness who has ever seen him has noted just how bad his defense is over there. I know you love Gaby Sanchez and I have no problem with that. All I want is for you to base your opinion of him in reality, something you have never done. Someone like you, who is so...well I cant find anything that doesnt sound hateful, so someone like you who has no idea what they are talking about is not worth arguing with. I feel the same about you.

The reason Gaby switched to 1st despite his low power potential was because he was so terrible defensively at 3B. the real reason is not .the FO wanted him playing both last year in AA he played almost half and half .and power how about 5HR in 100AB in AAA not bad for a low power potential in my book that's about 30HR in 600ABs Using a sample of 100 AB's where he's hit 5 HR's, and just using a projection for the next 500 AB's is quite comical. Why don't you do this for his entire minor league career? they are pretty closed and with power # it's hard to judge because player get stronger what you can judge is ability to hit the ball

The reason Gaby switched to 1st despite his low power potential was because he was so terrible defensively at 3B. the real reason is not .the FO wanted him playing both last year in AA he played almost half and half .and power how about 5HR in 100AB in AAA not bad for a low power potential in my book that's about 30HR in 600ABs

Is Gaby worse than Boni @ 3rd? Sanchez in 62 games in AA and 5 games in AAA had 13 errors ,Bonifacio in 52 games has 11 errors .

Well, at least we know Capozzi doesn't follow the minors since Gaby had been playing 3b in AAA a lot before getting injured. Sanchez had play 3 games at 3B prior to going on the DL and made one error now his played 5 games and 21 games at 1B with no error

Call him up and do a platoon. But he's a worse fielder then Bonifacio in about 30 less games at 3rd Not with Bonifacio. Bonifacio has to be sent down when Sanchez is called up otherwise I'm gonna kill someone. Gaby Sanchez at 3rd; Will Marlins trade Dan Uggla? by Joe Capozzi Check out the box scores over the last two days for the Class AAA New Orleans Zephyrs ? Gaby Sanchez, batting .337, has started the last games at third base. Sanchez was the Marlins? first baseman in spring training when he lost the job in the final weeks of camp. Is he on his way to returning to the Marlins at a new spot? The interesting part is the defensive play of 3B Emilio Bonifacio, who has made more errors (11) than any third baseman in baseball. Is Bonifacio on his way to the minors? Or how about this thought ? maybe the Marlins plan to move him to his natural position? second base, the position he played before the Marlins started their experiment of converting him in spring training into a third baseman. Or? second baseman Dan Uggla?s Marlins days are numbered. The San Francisco Giants have expressed a strong interest both in Uggla and first baseman Jorge Cantu. This is all just me speculating, based on the two most recent box scores out of New Orleans?

Well, then you have to correlate what other players appear towards the bottom of those lists. Beltre and Kouzminhoff would be the only 3B I would imagine are as close to being as bad as Bonifacio is, although they both play much better D. Well, I practically begged you to respond to some of my posts in the Gaby discussion and you ignored them. I answered you in the Gaby thread. A short reiteration, I am not the only person that doubts his power potential. It has been a worry among scouts and people who make projections for a while. I even took his AB/HR count and multiplied it by the average # of ABs a MLB 1B will get and factored in the tougher hitting environment of Dolphin Stadium, much like his poor year at Jupiter. I think you are looking at a 5-10 HR guy with 35-40 2Bs in his peak years who might sneak 15 HR if he has some luck on the road on any given year. Basically I think you will get run of the mill 2B production out of your 1B if Gaby is made the starter and think he would be much better served with a platoon or if a Petersen or Cousins can get their bats going stick them in LF and put Morrison back at his natural 1B. YOU FUDGED THE f***ING NUMBERS!!!!!!!! AND YOU f***ING IGNORED ME WHEN I CALLED YOU OUT ON IT. You're basing his entire career on his worst performances and completely ignoring his best ones. Gaby Sanchez has been the same age as Cousins at every stop and has put up better numbers everywhere with the exception of Jupiter. You're faith in Cousins and Petersen is pretty misguided. I have very little doubt Gaby will be better than them. But this is beside the point. You completely ignored every point I brought up in my phone post. You do this a lot. Bob he does it all the time he is useless and nobody in the forum should pay attention to anything he writes

I watched his first AB tonight, and it was great; a perfect bunt that moved Coghlan over and even got him a base hit. Great! Along comes his second at bat, same situation with Coghlan at first - just need to bunt him over as Miller was still taking the pi$$ out of the Giants at the time. Boni bunts the first pitch, another good bunt that just runs foul. But then he proceeds to swing and miss at every other pitch Sanchez gave him. Why? Who is telling him to do this? Is he really that dumb a hitter? Of course his next two at bats he just swings at every damn ball and misses or fouls off or pops up every damn ball. That's the frustrating thing. Then of course comes the daily third-base boot. I still think (and obviously Beinfest and Fredi think) he's got it in him to be a decent every-day player. It's just his concentration seems to flop out of the window the longer the game goes on and to be honest, in meeting the guy, he didn't seem the tastiest sandwich in the picnic basket, brain-power wise. The pain is, we can't carry two players who are learning to be every-day players, whilst trying to stay in contention (and out of Bonifacio and Coghlan I'd take Coghlan, if only for his plate discipline). Perhaps if we were where the Nats are. I still don't get the hate thing. Anyone who wears a Marlins jersey is a hero to me but they're my guys and I'll support them and stick up for them every step of the way. Maybe that's because I'm a Brit and I have to defend my entire sport from the football/soccer-only neanderthals over here. This whole thing is Gaby Sanchez's fault; if only he hadn't stunk in ST Bonifacio would still be in AAA. lets be fair Sanchez got 36AB Bonifacio got 86AB

I dont hate the guy at all. Just dont see the potential some others do. Gonna admit you were wrong on the hr/pa thing? And did we ever get confirmation on whether it was Morrison's thumb or wrist? No. He was at 47/HR in the NYPL, 53/HR in the FSL, parks that would lend themselves more to the field at Dolphin Stadium. He was better at Greensboro and Carolina, both hitters parks. Either way, it averages out to about 1/38 AB for his career. The average # of ABs for a MLB 1B per season over the past 5 years is around 480. That is just about 10 HR/year, although I would expect it to be lower bringing up the tougher hitters environment. LOL, you bend the sh*t out of those numbers to make them fit. You make it sound as if you were basing it off a full 162 game season, first off, and even in 480 at bats you are looking at 14 at his pace, which I believe is 1/35.5, though that's kind of nit picky. So yeah, if he doesn't play a full season, and you judge him by his absolute worst performances (rather than the 21 home runs in basically a real full season's worth of at bats over his last season +) he projects to 10 home runs a year. good call. He does enough well that if he hits 15 home runs, he'll be a very nice player. He'll never be an all star, but unless you are wildmarlin, nobody judges a players worth by being an all star. You can be a productive and valuable member of a good team at first base if you hit 15-20 homers, walk 60-ish times, and hit .280. You are being irrational when it comes to him. You have to being stuff so that it fits your preconcieved notions. That's a bad sign. bob now you know what I go through with spike .Not that I care I think Sanchez will have his time to prove what he can do. Not 33 AB in spring training which I don't think it was fair nor I think 80AB for Maybin also was not fair.

That's a possibility, sure. If hanley and bonifacio can play the excellent middle infield duo we might get away with that. And spike, you know who else was going to struggle to hit 10 home runs at the major league level? Kevin youkilis, who never hit more than 8 in a minor league season, but hit a good amount of doubles. Granted he and gaby aren't very comparable as players, just saying that you can develop power. I think he has some and will develop moderate home run power and with his doubles power he'll be perfectly capable of being an average player at worst. for some reason I've become Sanchez savior don't know why except I follow him like I do other players ,his from Miami and UM.All I know he has been one of the best the Marlins have in the minor his minor league # are great .307 in 4 years including XBH his HR have increase every year 17 last year in AA in 478 AB and in AAA this year 4 in 87 AB that translate to about 25 in the season .Spike doesn't hate him only he looks for anything written about Sanchez and tries to be negative without any # to back him up except he doesn't think he could do it and argues with nonces and Bob I have talk to scouts who compare him to Youkilis.Also everybody forgets he didn't spend a full season at A ball were he would have hit 30+home runs.Spike always brings up age but he forgets Sanchez is a College player and has always been on track with everybody else.

I really don't think he should be in the lineup, but we don't have anyone to replace him. Helms shouldn't be an everyday starter...I guess we could give the spot to Amezega, but I would prefer it if he primarily was a bench player. Gaby just can't get healthy soon enough. And even then, we don't know how long it will take him to get back to normal. I guess I agree with MSG in moving Cantu back to third and starting Gload at first. I was at Jupiter and saw Sanchez hitting live and he looked realy good ,was told Sanchez will be playing with New Orleans Saturday his ready.

i could understand us getting rid of uggla for pitching and put coghlan or boni at second but who would take cantu's spot if we trade him??? thats the question both our top 2 first base propects are injuired. heard from Gabys' friend he should be ready to play next Monday