Fish Dynasty

One of the best hitters and one of the best pitchers locked up for years to come. Great news.

One of the best hitters and one of the best pitchers locked up for years to come. Great news.

Erick, you're being a little hypocritical. You say that Wade is overrated, but you also say that he gets all of the calls because he is a "superstar." It can't be both.

That's gonna start to hurt them in a few years. Holliday will be 30 on 1/15/10 therefore Pujols and Holliday in the middlle of the lineup is huge I love this deal for both parties Cardinals will be a force to reckon with for awhile Which means he will be 36 in the last year of his contract, way past his prime. His defense is decent now but that always declines with age, and his bat won't be the same in a few years either. Yeah, it will be a great middle of the lineup for the next two or three years, but Holliday should have received a contract like Bay (four years, 5th year vesting option), or at max a five-year contract.

That's gonna start to hurt them in a few years.

He's only like 27 or 28... and everyone knows in our really cool justice systems 5 years means like 2 years with parole. Lol, so true. The law also says that it isn't a five-year sentence though, but a minimum of five years. For all we know it could originally be set for longer than that, but thanks to our great legal system, I doubt he would get anything more than a few years because of his "celebrity status."

I do believe that Arenas serves whatever suspension he gets from the NBA after he would get out of jail, if I am not mistaken... So basically it would end his career Well, it wouldn't matter what type of suspension he gets, since a five-year jail sentence would end his career regardless.

I think a year's suspension for the both of them is in order... In other words, what you're saying is that bringing a gun to an NBA game a threatening another player is no worse than what Artest did in the Pacers-Pistons brawl... Hah... I believe what Artest did didnt deserve the suspension he got. I'd (and many of you probably) would have done the same thing. You cant compare it to other suspensions. They certainly could've been too harsh or too leniant in the past. Think about the action commited. I think a years suspension does him justice and he probably would have enough time to realize his actions and hopefully not do it again. I don't know whether or not the Artest suspension was justified, but since he did end up getting banned from the NBA for the rest of the year (73 games), the NBA's image would take a huge hit if Arenas got the same length. In the end, though, it might not even matter since Arenas could be serving a minimum five-year jail sentence for bringing the gun to the arena in the first place.

1. It looked like the defender did a little bit of acting there. Kobe just seemed to run into him instead of pushing off. 2. They never/rarely call that traveling, even if it is. They especially don't call it in the final seconds though. 3. I couldn't tell if he actually did step out, but it looked like the back of his foot may have been on the line. I'm surprised they didn't at least review that.

I think a year's suspension for the both of them is in order... In other words, what you're saying is that bringing a gun to an NBA game a threatening another player is no worse than what Artest did in the Pacers-Pistons brawl...

He needs to be banned from the NBA if that's true.

You guys ever let yourselves consider that the reason the Marlins are confidently shopping Uggla and aren't making any aggressive moves to replace him at 2B is because they have a lot of faith in Bonifacio's ability? You guys remember Cody Ross? The guy who was in 4 different organizations before the Marlins acquired him. You know, before Ross became a solid everyday player. He was terrible in his early twenties trying to breakthrough. The Marlins showed a lot of patience in him and it paid off. You guys remember Dan Meyer? The minor league free agent that had been mediocre his entire time with the A's organization. The rest of the league gave up on Meyer's upside, the Marlins didn't. He turned out to be a valuable set up guy for us last year. You guys remember Jorge Cantu? A guy who wasn't even in the major leagues anymore. The front office had faith in his ability, gave him a chance--and in the process--unearthed another valuable major league infielder. You guys remember John Baker? Another A's castoff no team wanted, but the Marlins seemingly plucked him out of thin air and now he's firmly entrenched in the major leagues. These are just some recent names off the top of my head -- but each one of these guys played a significant role last year. And each one of these guys were given up on too quickly by their respective teams. If the players the Marlins have been able to acquire (for virtually nothing), were good bets to perform in the majors, the Marlins wouldn't have been able to get them at the cost they did. Another way to look at this: We've gone into seasons with big unknowns at positions that none of us were excited about "oh crap, we're counting on Cantu at 3B this year" ... then Cantu goes on to hit 30 HRs and 100 RBI. Same for Uggla before his 2006. Bonifacio struggled last year and everybody wants to give up on him as an everyday player -- all the while the front office is steadfast in their belief in him -- thinking that he can materialize into a solid major league 2b with more experience. How many times have we disagreed with the moves the front office has made only to be pleasantly surprised afterwards? We've been here before. Don't tell me you're another one of those posters who thinks the FO couldn't possibly make any mistakes. For nearly every positive you list, there's probably a negative. Beinfest and Hill are human, not above questioning.

My guess is that there's a scandal that we will probably never know about it, but whatever it is, I highly doubt he is just leaving for "health problems." Actually, he had a heart attack midway through this season, but it's nice for FSU fans to make assumptions about a person just because they are not fond of a certain school. I see your point, and I'm not odubting he had/has health issues, but if the Gators beat Alabama, do you think he would be stepping down right now? He said he had already been ignoring his health for years now, so what would prevent him from ignoring it for another year? I just find the timing awkward, considering the Gators are coming off of an embarrassing loss to Alabama, Tebow, along with their other great players like Haden, Spikes, Dunlap, Cunningham, Cooper, and Hernandez are all leaving, and he just lost his star DC.

My guess is that there's a scandal that we will probably never know about it, but whatever it is, I highly doubt he is just leaving for "health problems."

That would have been a disastrous trade for them. Vazquez might be one of the ten best starting pitchers in the MLB, while Uggla might not even be a top ten second baseman. I really don't see how you could say that. Uggla is easily a top ten second baseman, and Vasquez isn't one of the top ten pitchers in baseball. Sure, he had a career year last season, but that's what it is. A career year. I doubt he does it again. Utley, Pedroia, Kinsler, Phillips, Roberts, and Cano are all better than Uggla, with guys like Hill, Lopez, and Polanco arguably better than him. If you also consider Zobrist a second baseman, he would be on that list too. Yeah, it's easy for a Marlin fan to say he's a great player because he hits a lot of home runs for a second baseman and he's one of the more popular guys on the team, but in reality we're just looking at an above average second baseman, not a star. Vazquez, for the past four or five years now, has consistently been a top 15-20 pitcher. Most guys who are considered better than him aren't even that consistent (i.e., having at least a 4.8 WAR the past four seasons.) In the past 4 years, Uggla has been #2,#15,#4, and #11 on FanGraphs list of top second baseman according to WAR. Last season, he finished #11, which is one player away from the top ten. On average, for the past 4 seasons, Uggla has been the 8th best Second baseman. Javier Vasquez, for the past 4 seasons, has been #15, #14, #17, and #4 on Fangraphs list of top pitchers according to WAR. On average, Vasquez has been the 13th best pitcher. I know Vasquez is better than Uggla. But, Uggla is what the Braves needed. A power threat. An Uggla for Vasquez trade wouldn't have been terrible for the Braves. It certainley would have been better than what they received from the Yankees. First, that's not how you calculate WAR. Over the past four years, Vazquez had a combined WAR of 21.3. There were two pitchers who had a better combined WAR from '06-'09, Roy Halladay and C.C. Sabathia. Vazquez, over the past four years, has been better than the likes of Johan Santana, Josh Beckett, Tim Lincecum (granted, he only had three years), Dan Haren, Felix Hernandez, Justin Verlander, and Zack Greinke. I'm too lazy to compare Uggla's WAR with other second baseman, but you get the point. Uggla is the exact opposite of what the Braves needed. They have a good, young second baseman in Martin Prado, and they still have Chipper locked up at third for the next few years. Sure, they could play him at first, even though he never played the position in the majors, and has a grand total of 16 games of experience there at the A+ level. No one knows what his defense would be like there, and even if he somewhat succeeds defensively, his offensive production there would probably be below average for a first baseman. And for a salary dump, the Braves were lucky to get what they received from the Yankees.

That would have been a disastrous trade for them. Vazquez might be one of the ten best starting pitchers in the MLB, while Uggla might not even be a top ten second baseman. I really don't see how you could say that. Uggla is easily a top ten second baseman, and Vasquez isn't one of the top ten pitchers in baseball. Sure, he had a career year last season, but that's what it is. A career year. I doubt he does it again. Utley, Pedroia, Kinsler, Phillips, Roberts, and Cano are all better than Uggla, with guys like Hill, Lopez, and Polanco arguably better than him. If you also consider Zobrist a second baseman, he would be on that list too. Yeah, it's easy for a Marlin fan to say he's a great player because he hits a lot of home runs for a second baseman and he's one of the more popular guys on the team, but in reality we're just looking at an above average second baseman, not a star. Vazquez, for the past four or five years now, has consistently been a top 15-20 pitcher. Most guys who are considered better than him aren't even that consistent (i.e., having at least a 4.8 WAR the past four seasons.)

Damn, I thought the marlins had a good chance of acquiring him for Uggla. The Braves aren't that stupid. And this deal isn't as bad for the Braves as everyone is making it out to be. It was mainly a salary dump where they got rid of $14 million, plus they're receiving 500k from the Yankees. Cabrera is a decent outfielder, and Dunn is a very solid prospect. What do you mean the braves aren't that stupid? I meant that they would never trade Vazquez for Uggla. think that would have been a fair trade. But, I just realized this move was for salary purposes to add a big bat like Jason Bay. That would have been a disastrous trade for them. Vazquez might be one of the ten best starting pitchers in the MLB, while Uggla might not even be a top ten second baseman.

Damn, I thought the marlins had a good chance of acquiring him for Uggla. The Braves aren't that stupid. And this deal isn't as bad for the Braves as everyone is making it out to be. It was mainly a salary dump where they got rid of $14 million, plus they're receiving 500k from the Yankees. Cabrera is a decent outfielder, and Dunn is a very solid prospect. What do you mean the braves aren't that stupid? I meant that they would never trade Vazquez for Uggla.

Damn, I thought the marlins had a good chance of acquiring him for Uggla. The Braves aren't that stupid. And this deal isn't as bad for the Braves as everyone is making it out to be. It was mainly a salary dump where they got rid of $14 million, plus they're receiving 500k from the Yankees. Cabrera is a decent outfielder, and Dunn is a very solid prospect.

Sosnick is finally starting to realize that he won't win with his whining.

Like Puma said, they don't improve that much. Halladay is better, but not that much better. Still, this move is a pretty big deal. I think its safe to say Halladay is MUCH better than Lee The only thing about Halladay that is MUCH better than Lee is that he gets more ground balls. Other than that, there isn't that big of a difference.

Imo nobody cares about a lead up to the national championship game. if anything its florida vs cinci so we can see how good cinci really is. all people care about is seeing how those two teams stack up against major conference teams. them playing each other? who cares.i couldnt name a person on their team. Kellen Moore?

Low K/Low BB guys just aren't all that impressive because it normally doesn't translate to the major league level. It's one thing to do that without "stuff" in the minors, that rarely floats in the majors though. hence why someone of our own like Elih Villenueva is not one of our upper tier specs If you're referring to me, I never said that he would become a solid major league player, however there are always people like Joel Pineiro who end up succeeding. I'm just saying that his stuff could develop as time goes on since he is still very young, and could possibly have an MLB career down the road.

Bono had a 1.19 BB/9 in 25 starts last season and Bryan showed some potential at only 18 years old. Not great, but I wasn't expecting much more in return for Lindstrom. He also had a WHIP of 1.23 in 2009. I think you would want a better WHIP for a "top prospect" but for what you gave up and what you can project that BB and WHIP both seem to be promising, especially since there is a good sample size for 2009. I don't think so, especially seeing that his BABIP has been higher than usual the past two seasons. His Ks should develop as he progresses, so if can do that and keep his BBs down at the same time, he could develop into something decent.

Bono had a 1.19 BB/9 in 25 starts last season and Bryan showed some potential at only 18 years old. Not great, but I wasn't expecting much more in return for Lindstrom.