Posted December 16, 200915 yr http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/agent-johnson-likely-to-be-traded-after-season.html This is un-f***ing-real. If there was something that I didn't want to read, this was it! If we knew that we couldn't afford to sign him to a LT deal this offseason, then why the f*** didn't we accept Texas' mind-blowing offer? You know it's like our front office tries, but only enough to not resemble the Pittsburgh Pirates. All I've gotta say is, we better get a truckload for him. We'll never keep superstars on this team. Hanley accepted a cheap deal, far under what he could have gotten at other places and it's the same thing with Johnson. We are only willing to offer him 3yrs/$23million? Are you kidding? We should know he is worth far more than that. I know this doesn't mean anything is imminent, but I don't think what Johnson's agent is asking for is too much.
December 16, 200915 yr Just Sosnick being Sosnick. Take this for the grain of salt it is, the Marlins have ZERO interest right now in trading JJ, and have every reason to believe JJ will pull an A-Rod and get a deal done himself sometime in the future if his agent continues to act like a buffoon.
December 16, 200915 yr I wouldn't buy into that report too much. All it is is Sosnick blowing more smoke. There's still a realistic chance they get this done, IMO. No need to panic.
December 16, 200915 yr Author Just Sosnick being Sosnick. In a way I believe you, but I just don't think we will pay up. Do you really think we will offer up the extra cash? I really don't. On the flip side, is there any way that what Johnson/Sosnick is demanding will come down? I don't think it will and I don't think it should. JJ is worth the difference and our front office knows it.
December 16, 200915 yr So next season is a showcase season to increase his trade value to 5 stars?.That could be a good thing but hopefully we don't get another Andrew Miller type of top prospect.I'd rather we use the money to sign Uggla for 3 more seasons.
December 16, 200915 yr *yawn* Next week a report will come out saying JJ will be traded before the end of the year. And the week after saying we intend to lock him up long term. This is just the agent trying to make the JJ situation relevant and in the national spotlight so his client gets more attention.
December 16, 200915 yr I'd also like to point out this quote "Greinke signed his deal coming off a worse year than Josh had,' said Johnson's agent, Matt Sosnick. "We're not going to do a deal that does not far exceed Greinke's deal for four years.' Here are two links http://sports.espn.g...s?playerId=5883 http://espn.go.com/m...e?playerId=6435 Sure, simplistic, but Sosnick right now is totally blowing smoke. SEASONTEAMGGSCGSHOIPHRERHRBBSOWLSVHLDBLSVERA 2008 KC 32 32 1 0 202.1 202 87 78 21 56 183 13 10 0 0--3.47 2009 Fla 33 33 2 0 209.0 184 77 75 14 58 191 15 5 00--3.23 If this doesn't come out right, sorry. But if you look across the board, JJ and Greinke are nearly identical, to say he far exceeded what he did is madness. They also had nearly identical OPS' by opposing batters, K/BB ratio, hell everything is neck and neck on the stat sheet. I don't see how Sosnick can make any argument that JJ's 09 was better than Greinke's 08, they deserve about the exact same amount of cash. And the funny thing is Lou called for Greinke's extension to be used as a template before anybody else even thought about it, it's absolutely crazy. It's unbelievable how hard this contract extension is becoming, when it should be so simple.
December 16, 200915 yr I'd also like to point out this quote "Greinke signed his deal coming off a worse year than Josh had,' said Johnson's agent, Matt Sosnick. "We're not going to do a deal that does not far exceed Greinke's deal for four years.' Here are two links http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5883 http://espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=6435 Sure, simplistic, but Sosnick right now is totally blowing smoke. SEASONTEAMGGSCGSHOIPHRERHRBBSOWLSVHLDBLSVERA 2008 KC 32 32 1 0 202.1 202 87 78 21 56 183 13 10 0 0--3.47 2009 Fla 33 33 2 0 209.0 184 77 75 14 58 191 15 5 00--3.23 If this doesn't come out right, sorry. But if you look across the board, JJ and Greinke are nearly identical, to say he far exceeded what he did is madness. They also had nearly identical OPS' by opposing batters, K/BB ratio, hell everything is neck and neck on the stat sheet. I don't see how Sosnick can make any argument that JJ's 09 was better than Greinke's 08, they deserve about the exact same amount of cash. You are completely right on this. JJ deserves a minute north of Greinke if anything. 4/$40 should get this done instantly. I don't know what the Marlins are waiting for. At least offer the 4th vesting, do something like 10 - $4.5 11 - $8.5 12 - $13 13 - $14 easy vesting option/club option, or $2 buyout 3/$28 < - which is right around what Dontrelle and Beckett signed for on 3 year deals 4/$40 < - largest contract ever for a pitcher with JJ's service time. Shabang. Free agent at 30 years old for a massive payday. Lackey just got $82 million, and he has recently been injured. And if he doesn't take it? That's not on us. That's on THEM. That's all I want the Marlins to do. Give them a reasonable deal, not 3/$23 or whatever it is, and if they don't want it? What can we do about that. Take the Type A in two years and be done with it. But at least you made a good faith offer. 3/$23, is not a good faith offer.
December 16, 200915 yr Author No Dim, I think you are exactly right. However, that means that Johnson is worthy of 4yrs/$38mil, still way above our meager offer. I probably overreacted, but if we're going to lock him up, then let's do it. I guess what I'm saying is that other than the Hanley contract, our front office gives me no reason to believe that we will sign JJ long-term. None.
December 16, 200915 yr Author Up the money to 3yrs/27,28 million and this may get done. You really think that's all it will take? I don't think we 'just missed' with our first offer. I think we were pretty far off.
December 16, 200915 yr Up the money to 3yrs/27,28 million and this may get done. You really think that's all it will take? I don't think we 'just missed' with our first offer. I think we were pretty far off. Well sir after looking it up, Beckett got 3yrs/30 million after a very close performance to JJ's 2009.
December 16, 200915 yr I don't think it's about the money as much as it is about the amount of years. JJ wants 4 guaranteed, the Marlins don't want to do that.
December 16, 200915 yr Sosnick is really a Grade-A turd. And the journalists keep going to back to him for quotes.
December 16, 200915 yr I still don't see the FO caving and going 4 years. They have all of the leverage in this situation. I could see them countering with a 3/$26 offer, but I just can't see them guaranteeing more than 3 years until JJ can show he's able to pitch consecutive complete seasons.
December 16, 200915 yr Everyone keeps bashing Sosnick (and I agree that he has loathesome demeanor), but why is everyone so quick to discredit everything he says? Based on all of the rumors we've been hearing it doesn't seem that off-base that the Marlins would follow this course of action with Johnson. If Johnson is on the roster on opening day and hasn't been signed to a three or four year deal, the Marlins will have made a huge mistake.
December 16, 200915 yr from Peter Gammons on Twitter pgammo Peter Gammons: memo to Josh Johnson:get an agent who won't embarrass you for his pitiable self-promotion about 4 hours ago http://twitter.com/s...find_on_twitter
December 16, 200915 yr from Peter Gammons on Twitter pgammo Peter Gammons: memo to Josh Johnson:get an agent who won't embarrass you for his pitiable self-promotion about 4 hours ago http://twitter.com/s...find_on_twitter Man, I love that old guy. I can't wait to see him on MLB Network.
December 16, 200915 yr Just Sosnick being Sosnick. And Capozzi being Capozzi. Capozzi just wrote down his words. Sure he may have used them in a way he wanted them to sound like, but nobody forced Sosnick to make the statements he has. He should try get his leverage behind the scenes, not going to media and complaining when things don't go your way.
December 16, 200915 yr Sad, I kinda want to see JJ go or get rid of Socdick so that way I don't have to deal with this anymore in the press. Hopefully the Marlins feel the same way and we can still get Feliz and Smoak
December 17, 200915 yr Just Sosnick being Sosnick. And Capozzi being Capozzi. Capozzi just wrote down his words. Sure he may have used them in a way he wanted them to sound like, but nobody forced Sosnick to make the statements he has. He should try get his leverage behind the scenes, not going to media and complaining when things don't go your way. Hey, I'm not using Capozzi to justify Sosnick's statements (did you miss the "and"??). But Capozzi has always been one of those reporters that won't say anything about the team unless he can get a dig in. Do you think it was a coincidence that article was in the PBP the morning after the trades the Phillies pulled off?
December 17, 200915 yr I don't think it's about the money as much as it is about the amount of years. JJ wants 4 guaranteed, the Marlins don't want to do that. That's what I heard as well. Well, first Sosnick said it wasn't the money they were fall apart on, but rather the years. The Fish were willing to go four only as an option year for the final year, while Sosnick and JJ wanted that year guaranteed. Sosnick then threw a hissy fit in the press about them only wanting that year guaranteed, backed down from that hissy fit, then started bringing up money. Don't forget, Sosnick also said they only spoke for 30 minutes before the deal "broke down." That doesn't seem like enough time to negotiate to any final impasse.
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