Luis is at about $4.5 million and just won a gold glove. Texas would be able to save money, get a lead off guy and improve their defense. We could get a tremendous boost to our run production with soriano. It would only increase our payroll 3-4 million.

 

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The problem besides the money would be that marls would probably have to include some pitching into such a trade, which would be foolish, especially in order to get a guy who would probably not stay with the marls for a great number of seasons.

Soriano doesn't strike me as a cleanup type hitter, so we'd have to evaluate that lineup, but that's unimportant.

 

Firstly, if I'm the Marlins and I'm offered Soriano straight up for Castillo, I have to make sure I can get a long-term deal hammered out before I think of anything, and then, I likely decline the deal.

 

Castillo is the perfect two-hole hitter, and aside from Beltran who is a freak of nature, you won't find anyone on any team who better embodies what is meant to come out of a hitter batting second (patience, contact, speed, ability to work the count, etc). So, with that in mind, I have a hard time giving him up. Add to that the fact that Castillo is unquestionably the best defensive second baseman in the league, and his replacement (Soriano) really isn't a second baseman, but is good enough to get by so he stays at second, and I have another reason to not want him.

 

Soriano is a "sexy" idea, but he's a videogame player...believe me, I've seen him play in person, and everytime you want to think about declaring him the best in the game at his position, he does something to make you cringe. He can tear the cover off the ball, and he's an oddity because he puts up power numbers from a typically weak position, but he's going to be on his third team in two years for a reason...he isn't worth the money he's going to command.

Soriano doesn't strike me as a cleanup type hitter, so we'd have to evaluate that lineup, but that's unimportant.

 

Firstly, if I'm the Marlins and I'm offered Soriano straight up for Castillo, I have to make sure I can get a long-term deal hammered out before I think of anything, and then, I likely decline the deal.

 

Castillo is the perfect two-hole hitter, and aside from Beltran who is a freak of nature, you won't find anyone on any team who better embodies what is meant to come out of a hitter batting second (patience, contact, speed, ability to work the count, etc). So, with that in mind, I have a hard time giving him up. Add to that the fact that Castillo is unquestionably the best defensive second baseman in the league, and his replacement (Soriano) really isn't a second baseman, but is good enough to get by so he stays at second, and I have another reason to not want him.

 

Soriano is a "sexy" idea, but he's a videogame player...believe me, I've seen him play in person, and everytime you want to think about declaring him the best in the game at his position, he does something to make you cringe. He can tear the cover off the ball, and he's an oddity because he puts up power numbers from a typically weak position, but he's going to be on his third team in two years for a reason...he isn't worth the money he's going to command.

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Where would put him? Luis solidifies this team's D, if you put somehow like Soriano in there we go from having one of the best infield defenses to to a mediocre one. Soriano is over-rated, but at the very least he is what this team needs in a sense offensively. He can hit for power, and although his OBP is dreadful that's not something the Marlins are in desperate need of.

 

Pierre will probably command 4 - 5 milliion after 2005, instead of replacing Luis with Soriano replace Pierre with someone like Drew.

 

Bottom line Soriano would help but there are better options out there

soriano will be commanding huge money in a couple years.

Soriano doesn't compare to Castillo defensively and does not even fill up our need for a left-handed bat. Castillo bats both hands, so you will be losing one of the few players in the team that can bat left-handed and swipe a few bases for a guy who is not a 2B (at least not defensively) and bats right-handed. On top of that you will have to sign Soriano to an extension and he is not going to be cheap. Castillo, on the other hand, is signed until 2006 (?). No, thanks.

Soriano doesn't compare to Castillo defensively and does not even fill up our need for a left-handed bat. Castillo bats both hands, so you will be losing one of the few players in the team that can bat left-handed and swipe a few bases for a guy who is not a 2B (at least not defensively) and bats right-handed. On top of that you will have to sign Soriano to an extension and he is not going to be cheap. Castillo, on the other hand, is signed until 2006 (?). No, thanks.

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I don't think we can really bring Pierre or Castillo into the conversation when talking about a need for a "left-handed hitter." :plain

 

Opposing teams rarely get up their lefty specialists for either of those guys...

Soriano doesn't compare to Castillo defensively and does not even fill up our need for a left-handed bat. Castillo bats both hands, so you will be losing one of the few players in the team that can bat left-handed and swipe a few bases for a guy who is not a 2B (at least not defensively) and bats right-handed. On top of that you will have to sign Soriano to an extension and he is not going to be cheap. Castillo, on the other hand, is signed until 2006 (?). No, thanks.

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I don't think we can really bring Pierre or Castillo into the conversation when talking about a need for a "left-handed hitter." :plain

 

Opposing teams rarely get up their lefty specialists for either of those guys...

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But they can bat left-handed, right? That counts as a left-handed presence in a team that is made up almost in its entirety of right-handed batters, even if opposing teams don't call their "lefty specialists" to face them... not that "that" matters anyway (all that "lefty against lefty" and "righty against righty" matchups theory is just another garbage to further dissect players into so-called "specialties" so they can ask for more money... please!!!)

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of our two leadoff guys, i'd rather give up pierre to get some power in return.

pierre is this teams spark. Whenever he plays well the teams offense plays well. Pierre and castillo as a 1 -2 punch are irreplaceable. Unless the cards offer us pujols for castillo theres no way we should trade him

I wouldnt deal Pierre for anything in the world....

COnsidering the Rangers traded A-Rod for Soriano and now a trade for Soriano for Luis seems like a "trade down". I'd take Soriano, but I like Luis. He's fairly consistant.

Keep Luis. Soriano isn't as good defensively and his hitting struggles from time to time.

I dont see Pierre as anything but a Marlin. To trade him would be insulting. Castillo is so unappreciated. Not much people cheer for him at games, and he is really good. Soriano isnt all that defensively.

money being equal I would trade Luis for Soriano in a heartbeat

money being equal I would trade Luis for Soriano in a heartbeat

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Same here.

Soriano is overrated. And like TSwift said, he's gonna be on his 3rd team in 2 years for a reason. No thanks.... I'll keep Luis.

Simple answer...I want Luis to stay.

I agree with alot of the comments (except the guy that would rather deal pierre, ridiculous). Soriano is worse defensively and he has one year left of arbitration at about 8-9 million and then he is free. Let us not forget that this guy is a possible 40-40 guy in the NL. We need more power in this line-up!

 

The money is an issue especially when you consider that loduca is in the same boat next year. But we lose the 11 million we owe hampton and pudge next offseason and would have additional funds. Plus encarnacion, conine, agone and pierre all come off the books next offsesaon for a total of about $16 million extra bucks with guys like wilson, hermedia, reed and stokes coming on. soriano is still young and has great potential as he matures.

 

As far as value, the rangers are supposedly talking to the mets about Jose reyes for Soriano. Maybe we need to add a minor leaguer but as long as it is not a significant one I say go for it.

- Pierre is in a contract year earning close to $4MM this year. His next year should be close to Castillo's. At equal cost, I'd rather have the one with the better bat and glove.

 

- Chances are only one of our top prospects pan out.

Anybody watch the 2003 World Series? Soriano has some serious holes in his swing. Plus Texas is in need of pitching, so some of the young not quite ready talent would have to be sacrificed. I don't like this suggested trade, but I'm not the one calling the shots.

Castillo > Soriano defense and offense considered.

 

Soriano may have the ability to hit for power, but that is the only area he has an edge.

trade Luis for Soriano?

Yes < No

i love louie, but man soriano is awesome and is set to be a 40-40 guy. he is worse defensivley though. i would do the trade. maybe, i think soriano is better and will become even better but i love louie. texas wont do that deal straight up.