Apparently the Marlins want Kyle Lohse and not Mayes. Here is part of the article from Gordon Edes of the Boston Globes.

 

"League sources confirmed yesterday that the Sox have discussed a scenario in which they pair their efforts to obtain Twins lefthanded setup man J.C. Romero with their attempt to acquire Burnett. Under that scenario, the Sox would trade third baseman Bill Mueller and prospects to the Twins, who need a third baseman, for Romero and righthanded starter Joe Mays.

 

The Sox would then flip Arroyo and Mays to the Marlins for Burnett. But that proposal has a couple of obstacles, perhaps insurmountable. While the Marlins like Arroyo, they supposedly would prefer Twins starter Kyle Lohse to Mays, and the Twins aren't interested in moving Lohse. And the Sox are balking for the same reason the Orioles are: The Marlins are insisting that the struggling Lowell be included in the deal, and Lowell is owed close to $21 million for the balance of his contract -- roughly $3 million for this season and $9 million in each of the next two years."

but according to this the Twins would rather trade Lohse.

 

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view...articleid=94706

Also I think everyone is setting the bar way too high in trades. Trading for Burnett is one thing, but having a team take on a giant contract for the next two years really limits Burnetts value. The O's may be offering crap (except Penn and maybe Julio) but if a Arroyo and Mays for Burnett and Lowell deal came up thats probaly one of the best deals they could get since having Lowell really limits the number of teams interested and number of teams interested that would take on Lowells salary. Be reasonable your not getting Marte/ McCarthy, not Chachin, not Cabrera, and not Hanley.

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exactly, besides havent you all been complaining that you dont want to give up on this year? You would be getting 2 MLB pitchers with 4 eras. PLUS you get payroll flexibility and the ability to add a big name at the deadline or in the off season with lowell gone.

I concur! You can not discount the value in getting rid of 18 million dollars in the next two years. Especially when you consider the amount of deferred money the Marlins will be paying on leiter, pudge, valdez, delgado et al.

 

These guys are legit starting pitchers. the question is what will Beinfest be able to turn one of them into via trade. Remember Mayes 7 million dollars is going to offset lowell's money and help Boston get romero.

Mays has a $.5 million buyout for 06, so we wouldn't have to pay him the $8.5 million he's do next year.

 

If we do make this deal, I think we'll be going after a bat. Maybe Griffey? Mays/Vargas/Johnson/Stokes for Griffey and the Reds paying half of his remaining deal? :mischief2

 

1. Pierre

2. Castillo

3. Delgado

4. Cabrera (3B)

5. Griffey (RF)

6. Enc (LF)

7. Lo Duca

8. Gonzo

 

1. Willis

2. Beckett

3. Arroyo

4. Moehler

5. Olsen/Valdez

 

*ducks*

How does this deal help Minnesota? What are the Twins thinking?

 

:mischief2

That's what I was wondering. Twins are getting fleeced in this outside of clearing payroll, and in that clearing payroll tone we don't do much of it by doing this deal. I'd prefer to keep the high tag third baseman then trade for a high tag pitcher.

The Twins do this trade becuase they need offense. They have plenty of arms in the bullpen that trading Romero wouldnt hurt them, and getting a veteran 3B in Mueller that is an excellent hitter could really help them. They also clear 7.5mil in payroll by dumping Mays and then they get Millar who could also help their offense.

How does this deal help Minnesota?? What are the Twins thinking?

 

:mischief2

That's what I was wondering. Twins are getting fleeced in this outside of clearing payroll, and in that clearing payroll tone we don't do much of it by doing this deal. I'd prefer to keep the high tag third baseman then trade for a high tag pitcher.

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Don't forget though: while Mays and Lowell make about the same this year, Lowell has another 14 mill committed over the next two years. So we'd clear $$ for next year (critical, with AGonz a FA and Dontrelle set to 10x his salary in arb.)

I doubt that 3-Way deal will happen,we should just trade Burnett to the White sox,for their nice package..I think alot of people would be pissed if Lowell's gone,he is very popular to the Hispanic community,plus every girl says he's hot which i guess brings interest in watching Marlins games..My main point is that if we trade Lowell alot,and i mean alot of people would be very pissed..Lowell is kind of like an idol to some of us in Miami,he's a guy that i certainly look up to,and so do people in Miami..Lowell did sign alot cheaper with the Marlins just because he wanted to be with the Marlins for the rest of his career,i'm sure the Yankees would've easily offered him 40 million over 4 years,but Lowell being the nice guy that he is took our 34 million over 4 years just to stay home with the family,and imo he should stay a Marlin,he might be doing bad Offensively but look at his Defense,he has to be one of the Top 3 3rd basemans in baseball..He has helped us over the years and it would be unfair to let him go just like that..He is a hero to Miami and he shall remain to be a hero to Miami while wearing a Marlins uni..You could either bash the guy because he's had a bad year even though his Defense has been outstanding,except for that Mets game,or you could be with me and agree that Lowell needs to stay,and he's really a contribution to this team.Maybe he's just having a 2004 Pat Burrel season,all i know is that some of you guys were kissing this guys ass a year ago and even this year when the season started and now most of you are against him..I might've been against him for awhile but i noticed it was stupid to be against him i mean this guy's a hero..He survived cancer and came back and has made a big impact since,he's hit 30 homers in a season he's gotten 100+ R.B.I's in a season and he's Hit .270+ for 5 straight years and he's a Three time All Star..This guy is definetly good and his personality is out of this world..It doesn't take one person to Win a World Series,it takes a team of 25 guys..If you're blaming Lowell for this season we've had so far you most be an ignorant person..Lowell i have one more thing to say "Miami Loves You" :hug

I doubt that 3-Way deal will happen,we should just trade Burnett to the White sox,for their nice package..I think alot of people would be pissed if Lowell's gone,he is very popular to the Hispanic community,plus every girl says he's hot which i guess brings interest in watching Marlins games..My main point is that if we trade Lowell alot,and i mean alot of people would be very pissed..Lowell is kind of like an idol to some of us in Miami,he's a guy that i certainly look up to,and so do people in Miami..Lowell did sign alot cheaper with the Marlins just because he wanted to be with the Marlins for the rest of his career,i'm sure the Yankees would've easily offered him 40 million over 4 years,but Lowell being the nice guy that he is took our 34 million over 4 years just to stay home with the family,and imo he should stay a Marlin,he might be doing bad Offensively but look at his Defense,he has to be one of the Top 3 3rd basemans in baseball..He has helped us over the years and it would be unfair to let him go just like that..He is a hero to Miami and he shall remain to be a hero to Miami while wearing a Marlins uni..You could either bash the guy because he's had a bad year even though his Defense has been outstanding,except for that Mets game,or you could be with me and agree that Lowell needs to stay,and he's really a contribution to this team.Maybe he's just having a 2004 Pat Burrel season,all i know is that some of you guys were kissing this guys ass a year ago and even this year when the season started and now most of you are against him..I might've been against him for awhile but i noticed it was stupid to be against him i mean this guy's a hero..He survived cancer and came back and has made a big impact since,he's hit 30 homers in a season he's gotten 100+ R.B.I's in a season and he's Hit .270+ for 5 straight years and he's a Three time All Star..This guy is definetly good and his personality is out of this world..It doesn't take one person to Win a World Series,it takes a team of 25 guys..If you're blaming Lowell for this season we've had so far you most be an ignorant person..Lowell i have one more thing to say "Miami Loves You" :hug

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Someone needs a nice hot cup of tea.

I doubt that 3-Way deal will happen,we should just trade Burnett to the White sox,for their nice package..I think alot of people would be pissed if Lowell's gone,he is very popular to the Hispanic community,plus every girl says he's hot which i guess brings interest in watching Marlins games..My main point is that if we trade Lowell alot,and i mean alot of people would be very pissed..Lowell is kind of like an idol to some of us in Miami,he's a guy that i certainly look up to,and so do people in Miami..Lowell did sign alot cheaper with the Marlins just because he wanted to be with the Marlins for the rest of his career,i'm sure the Yankees would've easily offered him 40 million over 4 years,but Lowell being the nice guy that he is took our 34 million over 4 years just to stay home with the family,and imo he should stay a Marlin,he might be doing bad Offensively but look at his Defense,he has to be one of the Top 3 3rd basemans in baseball..He has helped us over the years and it would be unfair to let him go just like that..He is a hero to Miami and he shall remain to be a hero to Miami while wearing a Marlins uni..You could either bash the guy because he's had a bad year even though his Defense has been outstanding,except for that Mets game,or you could be with me and agree that Lowell needs to stay,and he's really a contribution to this team.Maybe he's just having a 2004 Pat Burrel season,all i know is that some of you guys were kissing this guys ass a year ago and even this year when the season started and now most of you are against him..I might've been against him for awhile but i noticed it was stupid to be against him i mean this guy's a hero..He survived cancer and came back and has made a big impact since,he's hit 30 homers in a season he's gotten 100+ R.B.I's in a season and he's Hit .270+ for 5 straight years and he's a Three time All Star..This guy is definetly good and his personality is out of this world..It doesn't take one person to Win a World Series,it takes a team of 25 guys..If you're blaming Lowell for this season we've had so far you most be an ignorant person..Lowell i have one more thing to say "Miami Loves You" :hug

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Someone needs a nice hot cup of tea.

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or a splash of cold water in the face :blink:

Lohse stats whom is 26 years old

IP W L CG SHO SV BB HBP K ERA WHIP

103.2 7 8 0 0 0 24 4 50 4.34 1.45

 

 

Mays is 29 years old

IP W L CG SHO SV BB HBP K ERA WHIP

105.0 5 4 1 1 0 24 2 39 4.03 1.34

 

A bit of stats on the two of them. I cants say I really like either of them with those whips or Mays walk to K ratio. But, that is just cold hard stats. Lohse could "perhaps" turn into something maybe. Within our park and all. But, neither of them are lights out. IF we are gonna flip one I wouldnt mind though.

hmmm I heard of that deal too but there was also something about us getting David Ortiz...anyone else heard that one? :whistle

I doubt that 3-Way deal will happen,we should just trade Burnett to the White sox,for their nice package..I think alot of people would be pissed if Lowell's gone,he is very popular to the Hispanic community,plus every girl says he's hot which i guess brings interest in watching Marlins games..My main point is that if we trade Lowell alot,and i mean alot of people would be very pissed..Lowell is kind of like an idol to some of us in Miami,he's a guy that i certainly look up to,and so do people in Miami..Lowell did sign alot cheaper with the Marlins just because he wanted to be with the Marlins for the rest of his career,i'm sure the Yankees would've easily offered him 40 million over 4 years,but Lowell being the nice guy that he is took our 34 million over 4 years just to stay home with the family,and imo he should stay a Marlin,he might be doing bad Offensively but look at his Defense,he has to be one of the Top 3 3rd basemans in baseball..He has helped us over the years and it would be unfair to let him go just like that..He is a hero to Miami and he shall remain to be a hero to Miami while wearing a Marlins uni..You could either bash the guy because he's had a bad year even though his Defense has been outstanding,except for that Mets game,or you could be with me and agree that Lowell needs to stay,and he's really a contribution to this team.Maybe he's just having a 2004 Pat Burrel season,all i know is that some of you guys were kissing this guys ass a year ago and even this year when the season started and now most of you are against him..I might've been against him for awhile but i noticed it was stupid to be against him i mean this guy's a hero..He survived cancer and came back and has made a big impact since,he's hit 30 homers in a season he's gotten 100+ R.B.I's in a season and he's Hit .270+ for 5 straight years and he's a Three time All Star..This guy is definetly good and his personality is out of this world..It doesn't take one person to Win a World Series,it takes a team of 25 guys..If you're blaming Lowell for this season we've had so far you most be an ignorant person..Lowell i have one more thing to say "Miami Loves You" :hug

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hmmm I heard of that deal too but there was also something about us getting David Ortiz...anyone else heard that one? :whistle

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And I heard the Red Sox would get Beckett and Cabrera also

Mays has a $.5 million buyout for 06, so we wouldn't have to pay him the $8.5 million he's do next year.

 

If we do make this deal, I think we'll be going after a bat. Maybe Griffey? Mays/Vargas/Johnson/Stokes for Griffey and the Reds paying half of his remaining deal? :mischief2

 

1. Pierre

2. Castillo

3. Delgado

4. Cabrera (3B)

5. Griffey (RF)

6. Enc (LF)

7. Lo Duca

8. Gonzo

 

1. Willis

2. Beckett

3. Arroyo

4. Moehler

5. Olsen/Valdez

 

*ducks*

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Where does this Griffey stuff come from? Did someone in the FO say we were looking at him or something? I'm confused.

The one thing of this 3 way deal that is curious is this.

 

Wasnt the point to get a bat, a top quality relief pitcher and able starter?

 

We would only be getting another pair of starters. That would go along with.

 

Arroyo

Lohse/Mays

Beckett

Willis

Olsen

Vargas

Valdez

Moheler

 

That is alot of arms sitting there

hmmm I heard of that deal too but there was also something about us getting David Ortiz...anyone else heard that one? :whistle

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Dude it is pass pass give, dont mess up the rotation

Why would the Marlins want Mays?

Why would the Marlins want Mays?

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They dont, the twins want to dump his 7 mill this year.

Just throwing this out there...

 

Would the Fish be acquiring arms to make a subsequent move down the line?

Just throwing this out there...

 

Would the Fish be acquiring arms to make a subsequent move down the line?

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i really think so. beinfest looked very crafty last night when craig was interviewing him pregame. he has something up his sleeve.

Just throwing this out there...

 

Would the Fish be acquiring arms to make a subsequent move down the line?

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It has to be something along those lines, whether for Vasquez or Zito or something else. Or perhaps for a bat from someone. But, really there isnt many big named bats floating around (except dunn whom they want a fortune).

 

So this brings up the curious question of what is Beinfest looking for really.

 

We know the following.

He wants a cheap solid SP for next year.

He wants to dump salary to make a run at something big and for next year as well.

He wants a solid middle/late relief player.

 

suggestions?

Zito has to be an untouchable....the A's are very much a AL WC Contender and Barry has been a big reason for that...

If the marlins dangled Vargas, a solid MLB ready pitcher and another prospect like Johnson they might bite. I dont know though really, it is all hearsay and guessing really. This is Curious, the beinfest riddle