September 19, 200520 yr c/o floridamarlins.com "Let's face it. We didn't lose our catcher for two weeks and then have a one-legged catcher for the rest of the season," McKeon said of the differences between 2003 and 2005. "We didn't lose our shortstop for the last month of the season. We don't have that kind of depth in the infield like somebody else does." giving up? Conine's comment Veteran Jeff Conine has been on both Marlins title teams, 1997 and 2003. To get back, he believes the club needs to win about 89 games. That means they have to go about 10-2 the rest of the way. "It's not our destiny anymore," Conine said. "We have two teams ahead of us. We have to scoreboard-watch. We had it in our grasp. We could have taken care of our business ourselves. But we still can get the job done. Now we have to scoreboard-watch and hope somebody else does worse."
September 19, 200520 yr they arent disturbing. its fact. he is simply stating the differences between 2003 and 2005. he doesnt say he is giving up just that things arent in our favor like they were in 2003. sometimes people just need to face reality and stop comparing this season to 2003
September 19, 200520 yr I think Niner's probably being misunderstood here. When he says it's "not our destiny" anymore, he probably just means the Marlins destiny this season is no longer in their own hands. It depends on what other teams do.
September 19, 200520 yr Author they arent disturbing. its fact. he is simply stating the differences between 2003 and 2005. he doesnt say he is giving up just that things arent in our favor like they were in 2003. sometimes people just need to face reality and stop comparing this season to 2003 953583[/snapback] I hate the comparison, I would be happier if McKeon response to these questions was "2003 was 2003, we are in 2005 . . ." and leave it at that
September 19, 200520 yr Its the truth, our deph in the infield sucks. We got minor leaguers that have yet to play more than 5 games and then we have a veteran who has been out of major league pitchign for a whole season.
September 19, 200520 yr Jack, we had poor infield depth last year too. Want to know why? Because you gave the job to Lenny Harris over Wilson Valdez.
September 19, 200520 yr In 1997 and 2003, the Marlins were in control of their own destiny. However this year, they need a little divine intervention in order to make it into the playoffs. I think that's all he meant.
September 19, 200520 yr and lets not rule out a complete collapse by either the phillies or the astros.. stranger things have happend.
September 19, 200520 yr You are all overlooking one serious possibility. The Marlins DO have control of their own destiny. We play the Braves 6 more times. If we really want this, it can happen...
September 19, 200520 yr Jack is totally ignoring the fact that we lost our all-star gold glove caliber slugging third baseman the last month or so of 2003 as well. The only difference between this year and 2003 is that the 2005 team has no heart. Period.
September 19, 200520 yr What do you base the no heart comment on? What do all of you who say that base it on? When you lose a game it doesn't always mean you didn't try. Am I watching a different team? Is it something only noticeable at the ballpark? I went to a few games and didn't notice it there either. How can anyone say they have no heart after last night's game? They had the most crushing loss in franchise history and came out on fire and played as hard as possible. They could've mailed it in, and hung their heads and just gave up but they didn't. They did the exact opposite. That is the ultimate showing of heart.
September 19, 200520 yr What do you base the no heart comment on? What do all of you who say that base it on? When you lose a game it doesn't always mean you didn't try. Am I watching a different team? Is it something only noticeable at the ballpark? I went to a few games and didn't notice it there either. How can anyone say they have no heart after last night's game? They had the most crushing loss in franchise history and came out on fire and played as hard as possible. They could've mailed it in, and hung their heads and just gave up but they didn't. They did the exact opposite. That is the ultimate showing of heart. 953640[/snapback] its a bad cliche people throw around too much as an excuse for a team losing. i dont buy it.
September 19, 200520 yr Author I don't think it is a problem of heart, it is confidence and lack of focus. They had plenty of opportunity to beat the teams ahead of them, but couldn't. that's the reality. And I don't see the Phillies or Astros being a better team. Both have their share of problems.
September 19, 200520 yr Jack, we had poor infield depth last year too. Want to know why? Because you gave the job to Lenny Harris over Wilson Valdez. 953613[/snapback] OK. There is more to a book than the cover.
September 19, 200520 yr It's not that they don't have heart. It's just plain bad luck. During 2003 almost everything went right everynight. During 2003 a hard liner with the winning run on second goes for a double. This year it's caught. There is just something noone can explain.
September 19, 200520 yr Author It's not that they don't have heart. It's just plain bad luck. During 2003 almost everything went right everynight. During 2003 a hard liner with the winning run on second goes for a double. This year it's caught. There is just something noone can explain. 953669[/snapback] hmm, defensive meltdowns and the pitching choking (i.e. AJ) have explanation.
September 19, 200520 yr It's not that they don't have heart. It's just plain bad luck. During 2003 almost everything went right everynight. During 2003 a hard liner with the winning run on second goes for a double. This year it's caught. There is just something noone can explain. 953669[/snapback] hmm, defensive meltdowns and the pitching choking (i.e. AJ) have explanation. 953673[/snapback] That's part of the explanation. But there's the other part. Dare I say "The Magic" factor.
September 19, 200520 yr Jack, we had poor infield depth last year too. Want to know why? Because you gave the job to Lenny Harris over Wilson Valdez. 953613[/snapback] Ha! You're crazy - Wilson Valdez sucks...how many teams has he been on since being traded by the Marlins? If you are looking for a scapegoat...look to Wilson Delgado...he is the one who screwed the Marlins...not Lenny. :hat
September 19, 200520 yr all we need is the pitching to ave. out 7ip and the offense4-5 runs to be safe, our bullpen suks but hopefully they can manage the 8th and then jones will manage the ninth
September 19, 200520 yr Jack, we had poor infield depth last year too. Want to know why? Because you gave the job to Lenny Harris over Wilson Valdez. 953613[/snapback] Oh yeah, Valdez's .201 batting average sure would have made a big difference.... :plain
September 19, 200520 yr Jack is totally ignoring the fact that we lost our all-star gold glove caliber slugging third baseman the last month or so of 2003 as well. The only difference between this year and 2003 is that the 2005 team has no heart. Period. 953638[/snapback] We also picked up a player that had been there before and didnt cost us anything defensively. We lost Sea Bass and wasnt able to get anything to replace him.
September 19, 200520 yr Jack, we had poor infield depth last year too. Want to know why? Because you gave the job to Lenny Harris over Wilson Valdez. 953613[/snapback] Ha! You're crazy - Wilson Valdez sucks...how many teams has he been on since being traded by the Marlins? If you are looking for a scapegoat...look to Wilson Delgado...he is the one who screwed the Marlins...not Lenny. :hat 953703[/snapback] Hey, Wilson Delgado, what a convenient scapegoat! Wilson Valdez, even in his present form, adds more than Lenny ever has and arguably more than Mordy. That is unless I missed something and Valdez can no longer field a position in the middle of the field or run the bases. But that's ignoring the point. That Jack keeps coming up more and more excuses to deflect criticism from himself and his buddies than even DogFish can think up for him!
September 19, 200520 yr unlike you ferry, these professionals don't need to make up excuses. Man to man, they know they have not met expectations and can be forthright about it, when the time is right. This is not an office assistant job. These guys are in the limelight everynight, one that every mistake is scrutinized. Rationalizing I could agree, making excuses, not. It must be the media and its relationship with McKeon that it has not been that harsh on him. or maybe it is just that these guys are around the club and realize the obvious.
September 20, 200520 yr I just find it shocking the quotes that came Saturday night and Sunday night. Over the past 72 hours, Jack has been the only member of the organization that has been quoted to be excusing himself and his team from its failings. With a clubhouse full of personalities and countless employees, don't you find that odd?
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