November 21, 200619 yr 5 years at 9 million per for the black Scott Podsednik. Man I love this crazy market, we could get an in his prime Babe Ruth for one of our starting pitchers at this rate. Cant see any other signing worse than this for 2007 forward. Still, I love the guy and am glad he's getting paid. 51 million up front and they a ton more for a guy that's never pitched an MLB inning and was overworked in his previous league is a lot worse, but this is a lock for 2nd place.
November 21, 200619 yr Good to see JP getting paid big time. Damn though, this is one helluva offseason to be a free agent if you like money.
November 21, 200619 yr 51 million up front and they a ton more for a guy that's never pitched an MLB inning and was overworked in his previous league is a lot worse, but this is a lock for 2nd place. While rationally this would make sense, the Matsuzaka deal has a much higher ceiling (read: the sky).The Red Sox are indeed paying for potential, but Juanpy has already hit his career curve and is starting to slant downwards. He's going to get 200+ hits a season at least half of this contract, but he won't be as productive as some others in the league from the leadoff role. Matsuzaka on the other hand has a chance to be the ace of the staff if his reverse slider is as deadily in the MLB as it was in Japan. And judging by how fooled people were in the WBC, I like his chances of succeeding at the very least at an above average clip.
November 21, 200619 yr 51 million up front and they a ton more for a guy that's never pitched an MLB inning and was overworked in his previous league is a lot worse, but this is a lock for 2nd place. While rationally this would make sense, the Matsuzaka deal has a much higher ceiling (read: the sky).The Red Sox are indeed paying for potential, but Juanpy has already hit his career curve and is starting to slant downwards. He's going to get 200+ hits a season at least half of this contract, but he won't be as productive as some others in the league from the leadoff role. Matsuzaka on the other hand has a chance to be the ace of the staff if his reverse slider is as deadily in the MLB as it was in Japan. And judging by how fooled people were in the WBC, I like his chances of succeeding at the very least at an above average clip. Ehh actually your right. Well except I disagree that the the WBC means anything, since it occured in March and was during the usual spring training for our hitters, so if you throw them against a guy with good stuff, they are going to look pretty bad.
November 21, 200619 yr Pierre's value is in his speed. Once he looses a step ( in a year or two) he won't make so many plays, won't steal so many bases and won't beat out so many bunts or infield hits. He has a very weak arm. Deep singles become doubles and everyone scores from second on a sharp single to center. Safely tagging from third or from second on a fly ball to shallow center was routine. Yes, LA overpaid him giving him 9 million per year. Not so much for this year but definitely for the last 2 years of his contract. I like Juan. Good for him. Not too good for the Dodgers.
November 21, 200619 yr One of my favorite players. Nice to see JP finally got his payday. Though that deal IS quite heavy. I hope he does GREAT in a Dodger uni.
November 21, 200619 yr Pierre's value is in his speed. Once he looses a step ( in a year or two) he won't make so many plays, won't steal so many bases and won't beat out so many bunts or infield hits. He is 29. You do not lose a step at 31. When you work as hard to condition as Juan does, you will not lose a step to age for much more than 2 years.
November 21, 200619 yr Pierre's value is in his speed. Once he looses a step ( in a year or two) he won't make so many plays, won't steal so many bases and won't beat out so many bunts or infield hits. He has a very weak arm. Deep singles become doubles and everyone scores from second on a sharp single to center. Safely tagging from third or from second on a fly ball to shallow center was routine. Yes, LA overpaid him giving him 9 million per year. Not so much for this year but definitely for the last 2 years of his contract. I like Juan. Good for him. Not too good for the Dodgers. Lofton is what? 38? 40? and he still moves fast not to mention he is like Juan, weak arm and one who beats out bunt singles.
November 21, 200619 yr Yup, Juan has a lot of fuel left the tank. Too bad he has no fuel in that arm of his.
November 22, 200619 yr Ehh actually your right. Well except I disagree that the the WBC means anything, since it occured in March and was during the usual spring training for our hitters, so if you throw them against a guy with good stuff, they are going to look pretty bad. I would agree, to a point. While this first one will be a learning experience and the hitters will be more ready next time, I do think that outside of the US a lot of the hitters showed up ready to play. The lineups he faced weren't great, but they weren't exactly in the middle of a slump. Taiwan and Mexico's lineups weren't the greatest in the tourney, but Asian ST starts a month before ours does and the Mexican League is a winter thing so the players that weren't major leaguers were ready to go. And in the title game, he faced Cuba (which was in the middle of its season when the games were played). The lines: 4.0 IP 3 H 1 R (1 ER) 1 BB 3 K (Round 1 vs Taiwain, W) 5.0 IP 1 H 0 R (0 ER) 2 BB 2 K (Round 2 vs Mexico and Esteban Loaiza, W) 4.0 IP 4 H 1 R (1 ER) 0 BB 5 K (Championship vs Cuba, W) Overall: 13.0 IP 8 H 2 R (2 ER) 3 BB 10 K 1.38 ERA 0.85 WHIP (3 G, 3-0) Pretty legit numbers I'd say. He's still a tossup, but it's not a total blindness.
November 22, 200619 yr Pierre's value is in his speed. Once he looses a step ( in a year or two) he won't make so many plays, won't steal so many bases and won't beat out so many bunts or infield hits. He is 29. You do not lose a step at 31. When you work as hard to condition as Juan does, you will not lose a step to age for much more than 2 years. You're right. But he's also sort of right. Players to slow as they age. But Pierre's much more likely to slow due to an injury than simply the passing of 2 calendar years. Like you said, Pierre can prevent that by conditioning properly but he can also aggravate it. Fanfish's point stands. Pierre has few assets beside his speed. Whenever that goes he will not be worth $9M per year or even a starting position on a MLB team. Thus it is a very risky deal for the Dodgers.
November 23, 200619 yr Grerat for JP and when you really look at it its not a bad signing the Dogers actually have money to throw around
November 23, 200619 yr Grerat for JP and when you really look at it its not a bad signing the Dogers actually have money to throw around no, it's flat out terrible
November 24, 200619 yr Wow,congrats JP!!! Such a good guy.I get to watch him play a lot more since he is on the west coast now. :cool
November 24, 200619 yr Call me crazy, but I think he is worth every penny, and some here would argue that my statement is correct. Pierre's value is in his speed. Once he looses a step ( in a year or two) he won't make so many plays, won't steal so many bases and won't beat out so many bunts or infield hits. He is 29. You do not lose a step at 31. When you work as hard to condition as Juan does, you will not lose a step to age for much more than 2 years. Yeah he'll lose a step just like Rickey Henderson did right?
November 24, 200619 yr Call me crazy, but I think he is worth every penny, and some here would argue that my statement is correct. Pierre's value is in his speed. Once he looses a step ( in a year or two) he won't make so many plays, won't steal so many bases and won't beat out so many bunts or infield hits. He is 29. You do not lose a step at 31. When you work as hard to condition as Juan does, you will not lose a step to age for much more than 2 years. Yeah he'll lose a step just like Rickey Henderson did right? Do me a favor. Never compare Juan Pierre to Ricky Henderson ever again. Thanks.
November 25, 200619 yr Call me crazy, but I think he is worth every penny, and some here would argue that my statement is correct. Pierre's value is in his speed. Once he looses a step ( in a year or two) he won't make so many plays, won't steal so many bases and won't beat out so many bunts or infield hits. He is 29. You do not lose a step at 31. When you work as hard to condition as Juan does, you will not lose a step to age for much more than 2 years. Yeah he'll lose a step just like Rickey Henderson did right? Do me a favor. Never compare Juan Pierre to Ricky Henderson ever again. Thanks. Do me a favor, watch some old tapes of old rick then we'll talk.
November 25, 200619 yr Call me crazy, but I think he is worth every penny, and some here would argue that my statement is correct. Pierre's value is in his speed. Once he looses a step ( in a year or two) he won't make so many plays, won't steal so many bases and won't beat out so many bunts or infield hits. He is 29. You do not lose a step at 31. When you work as hard to condition as Juan does, you will not lose a step to age for much more than 2 years. Yeah he'll lose a step just like Rickey Henderson did right? Do me a favor. Never compare Juan Pierre to Ricky Henderson ever again. Thanks. Do me a favor, watch some old tapes of old rick then we'll talk. I think you need to do the same. Ricky Henderson's got a career .400 OBP and this is with playing 5 more years than he should have, and even then he posted OBP's in the .360 range, something Pierre's shown he's incapable of consistently doing.
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