I spat at the TV when I saw a commercial for his dealership. In the end, i wish i didn't do that, cause i had to clean up the spit....

it amazes me that one man has the ability to subvert the county and city government desires. as to the protest held by braman wow 70 people very impressive

It is true, Braman's biggest weapon regardless of the strength of his case, is time and the threat of appeal.

 

The Marlins, from a construction standpoint, have a gun at their heads and while one would think by the way the first judge ruled Braman's case may be weak and getting weaker, he can afford, literally and figuratively, to stretch this out as long as possible.

 

I'm not a lawyer but once a decision is made by a court I would think that an appeals court would have to find something wrong with the decision to agree to hear the case . If the decision is made properly , and it doesnt appear to most that braman law suit has merit , than I would imagine his appeal would get shot down quickly.

It is true, Braman's biggest weapon regardless of the strength of his case, is time and the threat of appeal.

 

The Marlins, from a construction standpoint, have a gun at their heads and while one would think by the way the first judge ruled Braman's case may be weak and getting weaker, he can afford, literally and figuratively, to stretch this out as long as possible.

 

I'm not a lawyer but once a decision is made by a court I would think that an appeals court would have to find something wrong with the decision to agree to hear the case . If the decision is made properly , and it doesnt appear to most that braman law suit has merit , than I would imagine his appeal would get shot down quickly.

He can just ask for another trial under a different thing. He will look for another angle if he doesn't get what he wants with this. The old man needs to give it up, it makes the city a better place let it happen.

Anyone consider what happens if the Marlins do happen to make the playoffs this year? Its like that the commentators will mention the stadium situation, and they might even mention this guy's attempt to get the stadium process halted. This could very easily cast him as the bad guy on national media outlets, because who would possibly want to deny a stadium to a playoff calibur team? Maybe then he would shut up.

It has to be considered that the Judge asked to parties to try to settle and the Braman side agreed. I do not think holding a public rally designed to emotionalize (is this a word?) the situation is acting in good faith to the Bench's request. It shows what a insincere piece of-fill in the word- Braman truly is. At least act like you have some decency. I said it in another post-you can hold true to your principles (regardless if you are full of crap) without being the biggest SOB in the world, unless you just want to be. I am so happy NORMAN that I did not buy car two weeks ago from you, but instead from your competitor-and don't think it was price that did it-I could have gotten the same deal from you-it was absolutely your position and attitude that made it impossible for me to give you one stinking penny out of my pocket.

It is obvious to me that Mr. Braman is not going to stop until his out of options. Unfortunately, the lawsuit may postpone important votes required by the City and County to be able to move forward on the stadium. As long as everything can be resolved in time for ground breaking to occur by November or December, we will be OK.

 

Assuming Braman loses round one at the present local level, to what court does he appeal? How many courts of appeal could hear this case before it gets to the Florida Supreme Court, and how long could that take? Would the Supreme Court hear this case in a fast track? When are they in session?

 

Are there any attorneys in this board who can answer these questions?

I saw him on the news yesteday, saying "This is the first second poorest city in the country, noone can argue that"...

 

Ah, Mr. Braman, one person can...

 

Last year we had the 5th highest percentage of our population under the poverty line. That's up from the 3rd worst in 2004.

 

I'm not saying it's good, but it's both not the poorest and getting better.

i think this could delay ground breaking for long time that marlins and mlb could go plan b that move team the team donot time to have Braman appeal every time that court say no to him he going fight untill he get what he want MARLINS donot have time to play round

i think this could delay ground breaking for long time that marlins and mlb could go plan b that move team the team donot time to have Braman appeal every time that court say no to him he going fight untill he get what he want MARLINS donot have time to play round

if they were to move, think they move out of the state? or think they move out of the county?

PEOPLE, LISTEN UP....

 

AFTER WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED TODAY AT WATSON ISLAND ONLY A PROPER RETALIATION WILL DO...

 

IF YOU SUPPORT THIS FRANCHISE, AS I DO, GO TO COUNTY COURTHOUSE (73 W FLAGLER ST) MONDAY MORNING AND LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD! WE MUST SHOW THE PUBLIC, CITY, MEDIA AND FLORIDA MARLINS ORGANIZATION THAT THIS TEAM TOO HAS MANY SUPPORTERS!

 

LET'S SUPPORT OUR TEAM! LET'S SHOW BRAMAN THE COMMUNITY SPEAKS FOR THE MARLINS!

 

PLEASE COME OUT AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT (BRING FRIENDS AND FAMILY).

I personally wish the marlins would move to jacksonville for selfish reasons but to think that the marlins are going to move right now is nuts . the economy is crap no city / county/ state are going to put up the kind of money loria will need to get a new stadium .If the deal completely falls apart I suspect the marlins will come to an agreement on a short term extension with Wayne and continue as is in baseball limbo.

As much as I like the Marlins, I have to ask:

 

Is it justified for the county to pay $315+ million for a stadium, when there is a $284 million dollar deficit in the school system?

As much as I like the Marlins, I have to ask:

 

Is it justified for the county to pay $315+ million for a stadium, when there is a $284 million dollar deficit in the school system?

It is not a matter of justification. If you were going to put up the value of our children, our elderly, our health care system, our police protection etc-then what would be more important than these things. Would a museum be more important than our kids? How about money spent to maintain roads- define necessary maintenance? How about maintaining all those median strips with plants and flowers-tell me the thousands of upon thousands spent to keep carnations growing is more important than our childrens education.

 

I ranted, but the answer is that none of the money-regardless of the stadium-can be used for the schools. The balance of life in a community, and especially in a major city has many needs and other things that make it part of a growing and modern city. Many of those things are asthetic, but without attractions, clean and beautified streets, buildings and yes, arena's and stadiums and professional sports teams, then sooner or later people have other places to go and the people who live here would start complaining about how this is a dump of a city. They would compare other cities and point out how great it was to visit and see the sights of other cities. How they went to a ball game, saw a show etc etc and how they wish our city could have those things. No, the exploitation of our children, the politicising of these issues is part of the way opponents use these things to seem like they care about them and to drum up support-regardless how misleading and deceptive it is. Braman knows damn well that your kids and mine would not see a dime more if the stadium is not built.

As much as I like the Marlins, I have to ask:

 

Is it justified for the county to pay $315+ million for a stadium, when there is a $284 million dollar deficit in the school system?

It is not a matter of justification. If you were going to put up the value of our children, our elderly, our health care system, our police protection etc-then what would be more important than these things. Would a museum be more important than our kids? How about money spent to maintain roads- define necessary maintenance? How about maintaining all those median strips with plants and flowers-tell me the thousands of upon thousands spent to keep carnations growing is more important than our childrens education.

 

I ranted, but the answer is that none of the money-regardless of the stadium-can be used for the schools. The balance of life in a community, and especially in a major city has many needs and other things that make it part of a growing and modern city. Many of those things are asthetic, but without attractions, clean and beautified streets, buildings and yes, arena's and stadiums and professional sports teams, then sooner or later people have other places to go and the people who live here would start complaining about how this is a dump of a city. They would compare other cities and point out how great it was to visit and see the sights of other cities. How they went to a ball game, saw a show etc etc and how they wish our city could have those things. No, the exploitation of our children, the politicising of these issues is part of the way opponents use these things to seem like they care about them and to drum up support-regardless how misleading and deceptive it is. Braman knows damn well that your kids and mine would not see a dime more if the stadium is not built.

 

great response.

 

Great communities are built on variety and equity and it comes down to more than one thing.

I personally wish the marlins would move to jacksonville for selfish reasons but to think that the marlins are going to move right now is nuts . the economy is crap no city / county/ state are going to put up the kind of money loria will need to get a new stadium .If the deal completely falls apart I suspect the marlins will come to an agreement on a short term extension with Wayne and continue as is in baseball limbo.

 

I wish they would move to Naples, so that money would flow throughout the stadium and make the Marlins richer than A-Rod, but that probably wont happen. :confused

As much as I like the Marlins, I have to ask:

 

Is it justified for the county to pay $315+ million for a stadium, when there is a $284 million dollar deficit in the school system?

It is not a matter of justification. If you were going to put up the value of our children, our elderly, our health care system, our police protection etc-then what would be more important than these things. Would a museum be more important than our kids? How about money spent to maintain roads- define necessary maintenance? How about maintaining all those median strips with plants and flowers-tell me the thousands of upon thousands spent to keep carnations growing is more important than our childrens education.

 

I ranted, but the answer is that none of the money-regardless of the stadium-can be used for the schools. The balance of life in a community, and especially in a major city has many needs and other things that make it part of a growing and modern city. Many of those things are asthetic, but without attractions, clean and beautified streets, buildings and yes, arena's and stadiums and professional sports teams, then sooner or later people have other places to go and the people who live here would start complaining about how this is a dump of a city. They would compare other cities and point out how great it was to visit and see the sights of other cities. How they went to a ball game, saw a show etc etc and how they wish our city could have those things. No, the exploitation of our children, the politicising of these issues is part of the way opponents use these things to seem like they care about them and to drum up support-regardless how misleading and deceptive it is. Braman knows damn well that your kids and mine would not see a dime more if the stadium is not built.

 

And that,sir, is why I support the stadium.

As much as I like the Marlins, I have to ask:

 

Is it justified for the county to pay $315+ million for a stadium, when there is a $284 million dollar deficit in the school system?

It is not a matter of justification. If you were going to put up the value of our children, our elderly, our health care system, our police protection etc-then what would be more important than these things. Would a museum be more important than our kids? How about money spent to maintain roads- define necessary maintenance? How about maintaining all those median strips with plants and flowers-tell me the thousands of upon thousands spent to keep carnations growing is more important than our childrens education.

 

I ranted, but the answer is that none of the money-regardless of the stadium-can be used for the schools. The balance of life in a community, and especially in a major city has many needs and other things that make it part of a growing and modern city. Many of those things are asthetic, but without attractions, clean and beautified streets, buildings and yes, arena's and stadiums and professional sports teams, then sooner or later people have other places to go and the people who live here would start complaining about how this is a dump of a city. They would compare other cities and point out how great it was to visit and see the sights of other cities. How they went to a ball game, saw a show etc etc and how they wish our city could have those things. No, the exploitation of our children, the politicising of these issues is part of the way opponents use these things to seem like they care about them and to drum up support-regardless how misleading and deceptive it is. Braman knows damn well that your kids and mine would not see a dime more if the stadium is not built.

 

Well put.

 

This is why I hate this arguement against spending money on things like stadiums, museums, and other projects...of course schools, police, etc. are all more important. BUT this is not an either or situation. Great cities need world class facilities and amenities. If you have a world class city, you increase tourism, attract new residents, property values rise, and the citizens benefit.

I personally wish the marlins would move to jacksonville for selfish reasons but to think that the marlins are going to move right now is nuts . the economy is crap no city / county/ state are going to put up the kind of money loria will need to get a new stadium .If the deal completely falls apart I suspect the marlins will come to an agreement on a short term extension with Wayne and continue as is in baseball limbo.

 

 

i want the marlins to move to Wellington or West Palm for selfish reasons too but the citys are pretty rich themselves and that could help out

 

i doubt they will have space in Wellington though

Live Updates from the trial which started at 9AM

 

http://wiod.com/cc-common/news/sections/ne...article=3938421

Live Updates from the trial which started at 9AM

 

http://wiod.com/cc-common/news/sections/ne...article=3938421

thanks for the link!

I personally wish the marlins would move to jacksonville for selfish reasons but to think that the marlins are going to move right now is nuts . the economy is crap no city / county/ state are going to put up the kind of money loria will need to get a new stadium .If the deal completely falls apart I suspect the marlins will come to an agreement on a short term extension with Wayne and continue as is in baseball limbo.

 

 

i want the marlins to move to Wellington or West Palm for selfish reasons too but the citys are pretty rich themselves and that could help out

 

i doubt they will have space in Wellington though

 

Wellington? :lol if the Marlins moved to Wellington they would draw more horses to the game than humans.

Live Updates from the trial which started at 9AM

 

http://wiod.com/cc-common/news/sections/ne...article=3938421

thanks for the link!

 

yeah, I didnt think we were going to have live updates, nice surprise.

i think this could delay ground breaking for long time that marlins and mlb could go plan b that move team the team donot time to have Braman appeal every time that court say no to him he going fight untill he get what he want MARLINS donot have time to play round

if they were to move, think they move out of the state? or think they move out of the county?

i saying that because this could be long delay

70 people at an anti-stadium rally? Out of 2.5 MILLION? WOW! That's a HUGE share of the populace!

 

PoWW, who went against the Rays Ballpark, organized far larger rallies. :mischief

 

You do not ask to settle, and then turn around and try to foster support for your original side. That ought to be the nail in the coffin. This trial will be quick, and then they'll pull a WPB City Hall while Braman hopelessly appeals.